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moke720

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64. True. Wikileaks can't get the info no matter how hard they would try. The leakers would be killed.
Wed Jul 3, 2013, 12:21 AM
Jul 2013

We have so many leaks because we are a free country and people are not assassinated for revealing top secret information or for publishing on it. There are so little leaks of actual documents from countries where protesting is punishable by deathsuch as China, or espionage as in the Russian informants involved in the Robert Hansen case, or they are shut down immediately as the Russian page I checked was. People in Russia and China would be giving their lives and probably the lives of their families to do this. Leaking all this stuff is a luxury of living in a society such as ours. I don't agree with the government collecting all this civilian data, but terrorism is a civilian war, so I am not surprised. Our foreign informants and CIA agents probably get killed before they can get much information. I still think Snowden should be thrown in prison and detained forever. He admitted what he did, throw away the key. And let Assange face his rape accuser. He is afraid of prison. Wimp. Let Russia have a crack at trying to slip some poison in his food. I don't know why Russia let this guy land there. They threatened Wikileaks if they would release a lot of info on them. Makes Russians look weak. Since he leaked more documents while in Russia, they could probably just throw Snowden in a Gulag. If a Russian did that of Russian information, a Gulag would be light punishment.

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I asked that question and some of the fans treestar Jun 2013 #1
See post #2. I posted the same info multiple times and it doesn't seem to stick in people's head. Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #4
Here is the website with documents assorted by country Warpy Jun 2013 #2
Thank you. So 57 pages on Russia, 215 on China, and 9720 on the US. pnwmom Jun 2013 #5
Go ahead, move those goalposts! Warpy Jun 2013 #9
The numbers prove my point. I asked when Wikileaks had published "multitudes of documents." pnwmom Jun 2013 #12
so take it up with the chinese and russian whistlblowers frylock Jun 2013 #23
The point is that our spying on Russia and China has a context. pnwmom Jun 2013 #25
Snowden's revelations have only made spying more difficult. morningfog Jun 2013 #29
++ frylock Jun 2013 #49
go on.... frylock Jun 2013 #48
Yeah I noticed that too treestar Jun 2013 #30
Wikileaks can only report on documents that they are given. If Chinese or Russian dissidents aren't Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #3
Really? Recursion Jun 2013 #7
It appears to at be disturbing that we try to protect ourselves treestar Jun 2013 #11
He found the constant blustering disturbing, which it is. Warpy Jun 2013 #14
I fnd the hypocritical blustering disturbing, yes. Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #22
Maybe because they know they'd be shot? treestar Jun 2013 #8
I'd say a lot more scared. Though it is not to our credit that Manning could have Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #24
We're not stealing their technology but they're stealing ours. pnwmom Jun 2013 #13
How do you know that? I find the assumption that we aren't, disturbing. Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #16
We openly publish and patent our scientific research. pnwmom Jun 2013 #21
How do you know that we aren't hacking in order to steal their secret technology? Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #26
Because we're the ones that develop the technologies first. pnwmom Jun 2013 #32
Hahaha! Oh those stupid Chinese. Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #34
They're not stupid. But they lack the scientific infrastructure we have here, pnwmom Jun 2013 #35
We never did that? Remember Operation Paperclip? magellan Jun 2013 #53
They are doing it now and we're justified in trying to protect ourselves from it. n/t pnwmom Jun 2013 #54
No one's arguing that. magellan Jun 2013 #55
Yes, people are arguing that. People who are shocked and horrified pnwmom Jun 2013 #56
lol, well, I can't speak for those people magellan Jun 2013 #57
+1 Blue_Roses Jun 2013 #19
But not through wiki leaks nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #28
we *gave them* technology, what are you talking about? *massive* technology transfer HiPointDem Jun 2013 #36
There are Russian documents in the document collection. nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #6
Yes: 57 pages from Russia vs. 9720 from the U.S. pnwmom Jun 2013 #10
You started with the assumption there were none nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #15
Please reread my post. I didn't start out with the assumption that there were "none." pnwmom Jun 2013 #27
Enjoy the new goal post nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #31
Just can't read, can you? n/t pnwmom Jun 2013 #33
Careful Floyd_Gondolli Jun 2013 #50
"it"? Really? nt Romulus Quirinus Jun 2013 #52
Maybe the people with access to that info in China & Russia are better koolaiders NoOneMan Jun 2013 #17
Why do you think that is? nt ZombieHorde Jun 2013 #18
Thanks pnwmom Hekate Jun 2013 #20
Exactly. We should be more like Russia and China!!1! progressoid Jun 2013 #37
Russia and China don't pretend to be open and transparent Spider Jerusalem Jun 2013 #38
So how does it help encourage more freedom to throw a monkey wrench pnwmom Jun 2013 #40
Any rational person will tell you that, as imperfect as the US is, it's far more free and open geek tragedy Jun 2013 #39
That's not the impression I've been getting around here lately. n/t pnwmom Jun 2013 #41
Lots of hyperbole, but virtually no one here would have the gumption geek tragedy Jun 2013 #42
that's why some tried to push the "hong kong isn't china" JI7 Jun 2013 #45
Awfully naive of people to think that geek tragedy Jun 2013 #47
Misplaces snarkiness. Skidmore Jun 2013 #51
Do you complain that Wikipedia has a lot more English articles than every other language available? Humanist_Activist Jun 2013 #43
There's no reason they can't post pages in other languages. pnwmom Jun 2013 #46
Of course there are reasons, Wikipedia started as an English language encyclopedia... Humanist_Activist Jun 2013 #58
Wikileaks is a separate entity. And Wikileaks has published pages pnwmom Jun 2013 #59
Wikileaks is a Wiki, wikis are a type of web site/publisher that allows others... Humanist_Activist Jun 2013 #60
I know what Wikileaks is. And I know it's capable of publishing in languages other than English. pnwmom Jun 2013 #61
I don't care, I just find your criticism of Wikileaks to be extraordinarily stupid and petty... Humanist_Activist Jun 2013 #62
How was I criticizing Wikileaks? I was pointing out the relative closed-ness pnwmom Jun 2013 #63
it just makes no sense, how are we to believe what he said ? he is so upset about civil rights in JI7 Jun 2013 #44
True. Wikileaks can't get the info no matter how hard they would try. The leakers would be killed. moke720 Jul 2013 #64
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