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134. Morales had a right to fly over Europe. We're not talking about 'not having a right to fly' we are

Wed Jul 3, 2013, 02:01 AM

Jul 2013

talking about that right being violated. Big difference. And when our President has a right to fly over certain countries but has his plane rerouted because of a paranoid suspicion of harboring a wanted whistle blower, we will be as dismissive of such an incident as we are now of the sovereign right of Morales not to have his presidential plane searched like a common criminal, violating the immunity he enjoys as the head of a sovereign state.

The end result however, is likely to be the opposite of what was intended. This is not the S.A. of the Reagan years when the US backed coups of democratically elected leaders and installed dictators to do their bidding. We have no clout in S. A. now, being there are no dictators for us to deal with. Just democratically elected leaders who will not sell their countries to the highest Global Corporate bidders.

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Pres Morales: "NO You can NOT inspect my aircraft!" Emergency UNASUR meeting. Hague Tribunal? [View all] Catherina Jul 2013 OP

I can't believe Europe is fucking playing along with this bullshit. Marrah_G Jul 2013 #1

Hnk! Why not? sibelian Jul 2013 #4

Good point Marrah_G Jul 2013 #17

Or bugged - nt HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #42

The U.S. was already bugging them... JimDandy Jul 2013 #179

A continent of skeletons rattling in the closet. kenny blankenship Jul 2013 #25

EW! EW EW EW!!!! Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #32

Masterpiece - should be its own OP! - nt HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #46

Win Azathoth Jul 2013 #170

Ugh. sibelian Jul 2013 #243

The Zombie Apocalypse is true!. Eleanors38 Jul 2013 #260

Exposure embarrasses the intelligence community felix_numinous Jul 2013 #264

No need for jets to be scrambled when no-fly zones have been put in place n/t Catherina Jul 2013 #78

Post removed Post removed Jul 2013 #144

Here's my take on it rbixby Jul 2013 #251

Sounds like what Manning did, how did that work out for him? n/t A Simple Game Jul 2013 #284

He would disappear sulphurdunn Jul 2013 #313

W O W..... alittlelark Jul 2013 #2

Thank you for posting. I'll pass this along, indeed. eom +1 Purveyor Jul 2013 #3

ROFL alcibiades_mystery Jul 2013 #5

Why don't you go find a kid to push in the dirt, eh? nt Romulus Quirinus Jul 2013 #10

The what now? alcibiades_mystery Jul 2013 #15

No man, I'm just too busy hating you for your freedoms. nt Romulus Quirinus Jul 2013 #19

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It's cool, keep on going! Romulus Quirinus Jul 2013 #26

Is that the goal? alcibiades_mystery Jul 2013 #29

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This message was self-deleted by its author bahrbearian Jul 2013 #48

I do believe he is referring to a caffeine high colonic. Look it up. Luminous Animal Jul 2013 #45

The hazards of the edit function jberryhill Jul 2013 #49

When I said "great liberal minds" Romulus Quirinus Jul 2013 #93

Apparently the post was about anal rape alcibiades_mystery Jul 2013 #52

"Oh, Lord, for your everyday, run-of-the-mill caffeine colonics." Luminous Animal Jul 2013 #65

Hey, detaining heads of state just-because in no way resembles Romulus Quirinus Jul 2013 #98

STOP IT ROMULUS Skittles Jul 2013 #180

Really ! In_The_Wind Jul 2013 #282

And it is this arrogant attitude that forced the South American Nations to form their own version sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #110

Pretty much exactly this. Romulus Quirinus Jul 2013 #113

TL;DR alcibiades_mystery Jul 2013 #114

Good jorb using old 4chan memes. Romulus Quirinus Jul 2013 #121

Oh, I do 70's shit, too... alcibiades_mystery Jul 2013 #127

I'm sorry I'm infringing on your Constitutional right to be obnoxious on the internet. Romulus Quirinus Jul 2013 #130

ROFL alcibiades_mystery Jul 2013 #131

Stop Romulus Quirinus Jul 2013 #133

And old, outdated and ineffective. sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #140

Oboviously,'where ignorance is bliss, 'tis folly to be wise' sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #125

Mmmmwahhhh alcibiades_mystery Jul 2013 #128

So I'm told, frequently! sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #135

Sad upi402 Jul 2013 #137

it is a diplomatic balls-up bred from the arrogance of ultimate power Swagman Jul 2013 #306

Oboy. grasswire Jul 2013 #6

No kidding. n/t Cleita Jul 2013 #18

If that's really what happened, I agree it's beyond the pale struggle4progress Jul 2013 #7

I agree Renew Deal Jul 2013 #63

The totalitarians are pissed and the mask is slipping usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #8

LOL France and Portugal Maximumnegro Jul 2013 #50

Nope. Just the security state of the U.S. are the totalitarians with enough power to make most bend usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #81

That's a FACT?! Maximumnegro Jul 2013 #88

Yep. usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #92

Dude, he rolling smilied you. That's like an insta win. nt Romulus Quirinus Jul 2013 #95

lol usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #99

Every time one of them punts one out my self-confidence withers a tiny bit. sibelian Jul 2013 #169

Oh, good grief. aquart Jul 2013 #287

Simplistic much? What juvenile drivel. usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #288

Oh, now we're doing the playground repeating game. aquart Jul 2013 #289

Just holding up a mirror usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #290

Unreal LittleBlue Jul 2013 #9

So, who's the "power mad rampaging world leader?" nt MADem Jul 2013 #12

You voted for him. wtmusic Jul 2013 #23

You are quite sure Pootie Poot isn't having a laugh? MADem Jul 2013 #33

I'm quite sure Pootie Poot is shitting his pants wtmusic Jul 2013 #51

I'm sure quite sure he is , he is playing us like a fiddle. bahrbearian Jul 2013 #55

Did you vote for Obama? Renew Deal Jul 2013 #57

Yes wtmusic Jul 2013 #66

Then I'm confused about your post Renew Deal Jul 2013 #69

We all voted for him wtmusic Jul 2013 #86

...... MADem Jul 2013 #192

Snowdon is NOT a hero. Heros dont run to the opposition. 7962 Jul 2013 #293

Sorry, carla Jul 2013 #302

Probably smuggling cocaine, Rush Limbaugh looking for underage prostitutes, and Snowjob itsrobert Jul 2013 #11

So, apparently the NSA's zeal in maintaining their power trumps foreign leaders' freedom? NoodleyAppendage Jul 2013 #13

A year or two later, actually. n/t Cleita Jul 2013 #20

Hoho! Godwin's Law! wtmusic Jul 2013 #21

I feel that Godwin's Law is kind of like the Pirate Code. Romulus Quirinus Jul 2013 #54

ha! reusrename Jul 2013 #225

His freedom to override air traffic control of other countries? jberryhill Jul 2013 #56

Yes, he is indeed being held hostage. wtmusic Jul 2013 #60

Then we won't mind if our President's plane is rerouted when flying over South America on suspicion sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #119

Indeed it can be jberryhill Jul 2013 #123

Morales had a right to fly over Europe. We're not talking about 'not having a right to fly' we are sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #134

You can't just recognize sovereignty when it is convenient jberryhill Jul 2013 #138

Like I said, Morales has a right to fly where he was flying. This was an outrageous insult to the sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #142

Morales does not have a "right" to fly over anywhere treestar Jul 2013 #199

Morales, as the leader of a sovereign state, just like American citizens btw, has the right not to sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #247

Each sovereign state has the right to do as it pleases treestar Jul 2013 #249

I think most countries would let President Obama come if he wants to. A Simple Game Jul 2013 #295

you are wrong Swagman Jul 2013 #308

No, I'm not wrong treestar Jul 2013 #312

Well...that moves the stakes up a notch. nt wtmusic Jul 2013 #14

Are we sure we really want to open this can of worms? roamer65 Jul 2013 #16

The surveillance state must be smashed. It is out of control. n/t Fire Walk With Me Jul 2013 #22

This could be interpreted as an act of war nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #27

It could. wtmusic Jul 2013 #36

not to mention the hacking into the worlds communication systems to spy usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #96

If I had started reading a book, and this was the first chapter Savannahmann Jul 2013 #28

This will be ugly nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #62

Down Right U-gilly LovingA2andMI Jul 2013 #91

It is surreal isn't it? Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #70

It's past surreal and into other dimensional. n/t JimDandy Jul 2013 #185

You got that right. Fiction has to be plausible. Reality has no such restrictions, apparently! nt Poll_Blind Jul 2013 #82

Why doesn't Snowden just come back home to his loving Uncle Sam? reusrename Jul 2013 #230

He's a scoundrel. Poor, humble, gentle, strong Obama. sibelian Jul 2013 #244

I guess they could get a ghost writer to do a book. reusrename Jul 2013 #315

What, exactly, are the PTB so desperate to hide? It must be pretty bad. JEB Jul 2013 #30

Bravo Austria !!! Let Morales fly out on a different plane, if Snowden is on that grounded plane... Tx4obama Jul 2013 #31

and if snowden isn't on that plane? frylock Jul 2013 #43

Good Question LovingA2andMI Jul 2013 #94

So much for the Peace of Westphalia (1648). Next stop: the Magna Carta - nt HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #72

I think we've overflown the Magna Carta and Hammurabi's Code wtmusic Jul 2013 #80

LOL - Nero or Caligula? Can't keep my Roman douchebags straight! - nt HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #90

I was thinking Caesar, but if diverted we could land at either of the others. wtmusic Jul 2013 #118

The NDAA did away with the Magna Carta. bvar22 Jul 2013 #267

Yes, I noticed that, too. N/T TheJames Jul 2013 #311

cue the totalitarian cheerleaders usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #106

You are not doing the President any favors with this type of post. nt Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #143

What about international law? The president's plane has absolute immunity. totodeinhere Jul 2013 #147

Really? The USA has already intimidated one country into... TheMadMonk Jul 2013 #155

Is that you, John Kerry? JimDandy Jul 2013 #187

Why not a drone strike? reusrename Jul 2013 #231

They've finally taken down the scenery and pulled the curtains back. pa28 Jul 2013 #34

We'll probably find out tomorrow what happened flamingdem Jul 2013 #35

We are spying on all communications no telling who the source was n/t usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #108

Trying to inspect a head of state's plane is an absolute non starter Recursion Jul 2013 #38

Holy Shit! - nt HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #40

What in the hell is he about to expose? This is getting intense. Firebrand Gary Jul 2013 #44

Perhaps THE DIRT! Think MKULTRA, Tuskegee, etc all rolled into one big scandal. TheMadMonk Jul 2013 #162

ambassador for Spain in Austria has just informed that there is no authorization to fly over Spanish Catherina Jul 2013 #47

Damn. HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #53

Let's hope it's not Obama but Bush/Cheney. Cleita Jul 2013 #64

Rather than that lets hope for the truth no matter who is implicated. n/t totodeinhere Jul 2013 #148

I do. He promised transparancy, and failed to deliver. TheMadMonk Jul 2013 #171

Or he is a threat to he US in general. Renew Deal Jul 2013 #67

The U.S. government has created this threat and they're making it bigger. nt wtmusic Jul 2013 #71

Not sure what you mean. Renew Deal Jul 2013 #77

You can draw a solid black line from when the decision was made to spy wtmusic Jul 2013 #97

Snowden has made provisions for the possibility that something might totodeinhere Jul 2013 #150

"worth starting a war over" EX500rider Jul 2013 #269

Forcing down a head of state's plane for inspection is an act of war. HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #275

Except no ones plane was forced down. EX500rider Jul 2013 #277

Newsflash: Planes can't stay in the air indefinitely. HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #279

No wars Iliyah Jul 2013 #58

Holy cripes. woo me with science Jul 2013 #59

Wow DesMoinesDem Jul 2013 #61

Wow! Holy shit! backscatter712 Jul 2013 #68

No, not if he's a beaner. Trust me. Sovereign heads of State from South America Cleita Jul 2013 #79

! LAGC Jul 2013 #136

Pres Kirchner "tomorrow is going to be a long and difficult day. Be calm. They will not be able to Catherina Jul 2013 #73

I have no faith in Kirchner, sorry.n/t Cleita Jul 2013 #83

Makes you wonder if we're the good guys or the bad guys, doesn't? davidn3600 Jul 2013 #74

Right now we are the bad guys. We always were the scary guys but kinda cool Cleita Jul 2013 #85

I doubt that Snowden is on Morales jet but so what? PufPuf23 Jul 2013 #75

Or, not Recursion Jul 2013 #76

??? usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #112

"it was an American story that Edward Snowden was on this flight' Catherina Jul 2013 #84

Live-blogging of this incident by the Guardian: backscatter712 Jul 2013 #87

Interesting.... #Hollande denies Bolivian president's plane to fly over Catherina Jul 2013 #101

K&R DeSwiss Jul 2013 #89

I don't believe in petitions but in this case, I want my # on the record Catherina Jul 2013 #116

Noted. DeSwiss Jul 2013 #120

I can't believe, I ever gave the US the benefit of the doubt. TheMadMonk Jul 2013 #177

If you're curious, dig at MKUltra's gravesite Hydra Jul 2013 #265

Funny how they feel it's a duty to be anti-social to every socialist. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #100

WikiLeaks attacks Obama's 'thin-skinned vindictiveness' in Snowden row Catherina Jul 2013 #102

This is crazy. Waiting For Everyman Jul 2013 #103

If Snowden turns out to be on that flight, El Presidente is gonna have some splainin' to do Azathoth Jul 2013 #104

Yeah, we'll stick him in a cell right next to the whistleblower and teach him a hard lesson, eh? usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #115

Nah, he's not heading for a cell Azathoth Jul 2013 #126

Yeah, it probably something worse than that even, we've seen the pictures of what they do to people usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #132

No, President Morales has every right under international law to transport whomever he wants totodeinhere Jul 2013 #153

Wrong. He doesn't have the "right" to transport people Azathoth Jul 2013 #160

Not according to the Bolivians totodeinhere Jul 2013 #228

They can "interpret" this however they like Azathoth Jul 2013 #266

The idea of political asylum is a noble one. reusrename Jul 2013 #233

Political asylum only applies to refugees Azathoth Jul 2013 #304

This is staggering denial. reusrename Jul 2013 #307

Then international law is suffering from staggering denial Azathoth Jul 2013 #309

It's exactly what is envisioned. He is a political refugee. reusrename Jul 2013 #310

listening device found in UK Ecuadoran Embassy in office used for discussions by Patino & Assange Catherina Jul 2013 #105

They will disclose on Wednesday who controls that listening device Catherina Jul 2013 #246

Either the US or the Brits. HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #276

Pic of Morales waiting at airport Catherina Jul 2013 #107

He is friend Iliyah Jul 2013 #109

Bolivia's VP: "Colonies are no longer in Latin America. They are in Europe and respond to the U.S." Catherina Jul 2013 #111

I like that they are indignant. I hope the nations surrounding Bolivia back them up, Cleita Jul 2013 #117

I hope to see united Latin American action in response. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2013 #129

The thing is the North Americans are very afraid of a united South America. Cleita Jul 2013 #139

As for the demand to search the plane, he stressed, �This is blackmail, we are refusing..." Catherina Jul 2013 #122

WOW the frist amendent huh? Iliyah Jul 2013 #124

Ecuador, Venezuela, Snowden and Assange Targeted by Mysterious Hacker Catherina Jul 2013 #141

Doubly interesting given the news that the embassy was bugged suffragette Jul 2013 #255

I doubt it too. They'll say who was controlling the bug on Wednesday. I can't wait Catherina Jul 2013 #256

Yes, and hacker's denial of gov't connection is carefully parsed. The embassy bugging reminds me suffragette Jul 2013 #259

Our government needs to back the fuck off, right now!!! Lonr Jul 2013 #145

image: crew members sleeping at the airport whilst news reports of Edward Snowden are transmitted Catherina Jul 2013 #146

Im Sure DallasNE Jul 2013 #149

What next sam_25tx Jul 2013 #151

Peru confirms attendance for emergency UNASUR meeting / Latin American Ingegration Catherina Jul 2013 #152

Come to Cali Iliyah Jul 2013 #154

This message was self-deleted by its author chrislindsay23 Jul 2013 #156

President Correa "�Decisive hours for UNASUR! Either we graduated from the colonies, or we claim ... Catherina Jul 2013 #157

Amazing turn of events. nt Demo_Chris Jul 2013 #158

This message was self-deleted by its author chrislindsay23 Jul 2013 #159

South America should start seizing western assets. HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #161

hm. sibelian Jul 2013 #163

Not a problem. HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #164

... sibelian Jul 2013 #165

Who pulls Obama's strings? HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #167

Well, we'll see. nt sibelian Jul 2013 #172

When Spain dragged its feet to recognize President Maduro's election victory Catherina Jul 2013 #166

President of Austria just arrived, talking with President Morales, no word from Spain on airspace Catherina Jul 2013 #168

10 hours and counting now. Since this international incident began n/t Catherina Jul 2013 #173

FALSE ALARM: Spain will allow #Bolivian President�s jet into its airspace � Austrian President Catherina Jul 2013 #174

This is un-fu*king-belivable. WWIII was pegged for the ME. n/t JimDandy Jul 2013 #197

I can't believe this is happening! zeeland Jul 2013 #175

I hope Snowden is on that plane or another one Catherina Jul 2013 #178

I sincerely believe Mandela zeeland Jul 2013 #181

There have been too many accidents involving planes carrying politicians, whistle-blowers, and AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #272

Audio of alleged conversation between Morales pilot and Vienna control room Catherina Jul 2013 #176

Audio above is genuine Catherina Jul 2013 #240

There are two things I'm curious about davidpdx Jul 2013 #182

France, lying through its teeth. Anonymous officials, not authorized to speak, blah, blah Catherina Jul 2013 #183

Spain is still blocking Bolivian President's flight through their airspace - Reuters additional magellan Jul 2013 #184

Unbelievable! And after the Austrian President relayed it was open. FUBAR n/t Catherina Jul 2013 #188

Well, now Austria is mad at Spain! magellan Jul 2013 #190

You're welcome my friend Catherina Jul 2013 #194

I had no idea you were in Guatemala! magellan Jul 2013 #200

SPAIN RESCINDS airspace permission a few minutes later after Morales refuses to let them inspect Catherina Jul 2013 #186

A rumor? LumosMaxima Jul 2013 #189

More like NSA intel Catherina Jul 2013 #193

Right LumosMaxima Jul 2013 #205

Did Morales himself make any statements about Snowden not being onboard? Catherina Jul 2013 #207

Not sure. LumosMaxima Jul 2013 #212

Austrian foreign minister annoyed, "We don't understand, why Spain is acting like that." Catherina Jul 2013 #191

And it gets even stranger... magellan Jul 2013 #195

"condition of anonymity" "department rules" "not authorised to be publicly named" Bullshit n/t Catherina Jul 2013 #198

both French and Spanish officials have denied refusing to let Morales's plane cross their airspace Catherina Jul 2013 #196

Thanks for your updates! n/t JimDandy Jul 2013 #201

You're welcome Jim Catherina Jul 2013 #209

Morales is boarding his plane again magellan Jul 2013 #202

And we have takeoff! magellan Jul 2013 #203

Yes. Give me a minute n/t Catherina Jul 2013 #204

The plane is a Dassault Falcon 900EX. Tracking link for FAB-001 Catherina Jul 2013 #206

Thank you! n/t magellan Jul 2013 #211

Do we dare go to sleep? n/t Catherina Jul 2013 #213

I haven't even had dinner yet so I'm good for a bit magellan Jul 2013 #215

I suddenly started fading. Catherina Jul 2013 #220

Mais oui! magellan Jul 2013 #222

Can't sleep lol. The roosters are already crowing! Catherina Jul 2013 #223

You've got it magellan Jul 2013 #232

Le Monde is reporting that France did deny him entry to their airspace. nt LumosMaxima Jul 2013 #208

Do you have a link? Catherina Jul 2013 #210

Yep. LumosMaxima Jul 2013 #214

They added that weasel "selon lui" (according to him) but Wow, they didn't search the plane Catherina Jul 2013 #216

De rien. :) nt LumosMaxima Jul 2013 #217

Merci :) Catherina Jul 2013 #219

Diplomatic row is on, say France Portugal Spain and Italy "violated international law", going to UN Catherina Jul 2013 #218

What is it that Snowden has (or they are scared that he has)? idwiyo Jul 2013 #221

I hope we soon find out. But Snowden already disbursed the files Catherina Jul 2013 #226

Assuming he told the truth and didn't hold something back. idwiyo Jul 2013 #227

That too. Greenwald said he (GG) has a lot more to release Catherina Jul 2013 #236

EU Commission spokeswoman: not entirely clear... why the French and Portuguese decided to divert flt Catherina Jul 2013 #224

As I said this is a major violation of international law malaise Jul 2013 #229

Plane is currently over Spain... SidDithers Jul 2013 #234

I never knew you were in Guatemala, Catherina. LuvNewcastle Jul 2013 #235

You're welcome my friend :) n/t Catherina Jul 2013 #237

I am just catching up on all of this. Starry Messenger Jul 2013 #238

It is profoundly upsetting. It was an incredibly stupid stunt to boot. Catherina Jul 2013 #241

Reporters Without Borders and Assange cosign op-Ed in Le Monde calling on EU to Protect Snowden Catherina Jul 2013 #239

Seems we overpaid for our all-seeing eye. Snarkoleptic Jul 2013 #242

Snowden's taking the laptops to Mount Etna. sibelian Jul 2013 #248

Sauron should not have used contractors either. nt Pholus Jul 2013 #252

Go Frodo! n/t lumberjack_jeff Jul 2013 #257

I am sure if this happened to Airforce One it would be no problem. GoneFishin Jul 2013 #245

The veil of the Shadow Government has been lifted Ter Jul 2013 #250

Ooh boy, the plane is en route to the Canaries nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #253

I think it's just landed. n/t magellan Jul 2013 #254

Washington Post Shamelss Propaganda Catherina Jul 2013 #258

Hmm, now let's think about this for a moment magellan Jul 2013 #261

Yes! And they're pushing the WAPO propaganda hard. You can always spot them Catherina Jul 2013 #263

This message was self-deleted by its author magellan Jul 2013 #261

State Dept confirms it's been in contact with overflight countries magellan Jul 2013 #268

This "in contact" is related to the overall issue of asylum and not the Bolivian plane incident flamingdem Jul 2013 #273

no, the briefing was about transit, not asylum temmer Jul 2013 #294

Whatever Snowden has TERRIFIES the HELL out of the Obama Administration. bvar22 Jul 2013 #270

Certainly makes one ponder the possibilities. Mere spying can't be it. WinkyDink Jul 2013 #274

Yep. Either that, or Obama ... HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #280

I would say that Europe isn't too thrilled either. aquart Jul 2013 #286

My partner points out TheJames Jul 2013 #314

The Obama Administration is sending a message to all other Heads of States. n/t AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #271

Well, then, just WTH does he think he is, emperor of the world? Europe will put him in his place. WinkyDink Jul 2013 #278

Latin America already has. bvar22 Jul 2013 #301

He's in the 1%, and is an ineffectual, limp tool. chimpymustgo Jul 2013 #305

REC # 100 Coyotl Jul 2013 #281

K & R !!! WillyT Jul 2013 #283

Even if Snowden was on board, this was outrageous and unacceptable. aquart Jul 2013 #285

I fear for Snowden warrprayer Jul 2013 #291

K & R ctsnowman Jul 2013 #292

US AMBASSADOR told Austria to extradite Snowden yesterday. Was convinced he was on plane (article) Catherina Jul 2013 #296

What's this "Die Presse"? Must be some rw rag or something magellan Jul 2013 #316

Flight is on final approach for landing in Brazil. Gravitycollapse Jul 2013 #297

Wow Catherina, what an amzing job of covering this as it unfolds. Many thanks. JEB Jul 2013 #298

You're welcome. It was an interesting night of DU solidarity with this story. n/t Catherina Jul 2013 #299

Will put future updates in a different thread Catherina Jul 2013 #300

We have libdude Jul 2013 #303