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Greybnk48

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57. Yet another Bush/Obama false equivalency.

Wed Jul 3, 2013, 09:47 AM

Jul 2013

Bush is a war criminal. His regime illegally invaded a sovereign nation. They tortured and murdered people without knowing who they were. Under Bush the U.S. raided the treasures of a sovereign nation like fucking unlawful pirates. They stocked an unlawful prison and changed centuries old law after the fact to cover their asses. His VP said, "yeah, so?" Bush, Cheney, Powell, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Card, Rice, Rove, etc. are all bona fide war criminals.

President Obama is not. The World does not, and cannot possibly, despise the U.S. Govt. including the President, with the vehemence of Bush Regime hatred. No way.

They may be repulsed by the Republican Congress and their misogyny and racism, but that's a different story. Aren't we all?

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Wow. I don't think the U.S. has been this hated since March 2003. [View all] wtmusic Jul 2013 OP

LOL! You post an editorial and project it onto all of world. It says more about the posters doing KittyWampus Jul 2013 #1

Did you read the comments? wtmusic Jul 2013 #2

Yes I did. Did you? LOL! KittyWampus Jul 2013 #5

+1 graham4anything Jul 2013 #33

Probably the same kinds of idiots who say the US govt killed Michael Hastings Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #22

The same sort of 'idiots' who opposed the invasion of Iraq and Bush's bullying of the world.... Violet_Crumble Jul 2013 #29

+1 graham4anything Jul 2013 #31

When was Bush ousted? Luminous Animal Jul 2013 #77

+1...nt SidDithers Jul 2013 #42

And we have Snowden to thank for this. pnwmom Jul 2013 #3

Shoot the messenger? wtmusic Jul 2013 #4

No, charge him with theft of classified documents and put him on trial. nt pnwmom Jul 2013 #6

So...they hate us because Snowden stole the documents. wtmusic Jul 2013 #7

He stole them and shared them with China and other countries around the world. pnwmom Jul 2013 #8

Screw the governments, you're saying that's why citizens around the world hate us? wtmusic Jul 2013 #9

Some are angry, the ones who pay attention to news media. And they wouldn't be angry pnwmom Jul 2013 #20

They don't hate US. They hate the spooks. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #30

Right, because NONE of those countries have an intelligence service... brooklynite Jul 2013 #52

So your contention is that merely having an 'intelligence service' means any nation Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #60

No, my contention is that intelligence gathering is an element of statecraft in every nation... brooklynite Jul 2013 #67

They hate their own too... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #114

And EXCUSE ME! Exactly why shouldn't the 6.5 +billion... TheMadMonk Jul 2013 #32

You don't think China's spies do the same thing? Russia's? Germany's? Get real. n/t pnwmom Jul 2013 #36

No, they don't reorg Jul 2013 #41

1. I don't believe they're doing it on anything like this scale. TheMadMonk Jul 2013 #45

Especially #2. The world is not as stupid laundry_queen Jul 2013 #72

I'm glad you were not around during CoIntelPro and Watergate. nt tsuki Jul 2013 #96

I see. Ignorance would be bliss. LondonReign2 Jul 2013 #120

I love your avatar - may I use it? Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #76

Sure! wtmusic Jul 2013 #106

"they" don't hate us. KittyWampus Jul 2013 #12

they have gone WAY past pretzel-shaping, wtmusic Skittles Jul 2013 #23

For proving the US steals citizens' documents? Fire Walk With Me Jul 2013 #11

Maybe, just maybe . . . markpkessinger Jul 2013 #18

You'd see the roaches better if you took the blinders off.... DeSwiss Jul 2013 #25

Someone else already turned the light on exposing all the roaches Life Long Dem Jul 2013 #28

Yep. This is definitely very Bushian. nt LittleBlue Jul 2013 #10

Remember the international goodwill Obama had a few years ago? HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #13

Gone. wtmusic Jul 2013 #15

The change that we're getting Art_from_Ark Jul 2013 #44

WHY we are hated (IMHO) by some The Straight Story Jul 2013 #14

Yes! To all. wtmusic Jul 2013 #16

And - if you call it out, you are labeled as a hater by whichever group holds power The Straight Story Jul 2013 #19

+10000 octoberlib Jul 2013 #17

That's it, in a nutshell n/t BuelahWitch Jul 2013 #38

^^This^^ n/t Catherina Jul 2013 #40

Thank you. MuseRider Jul 2013 #59

That is one damning bill of particulars. I really wish you would build it into an OP HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #103

If you can't do the time HipChick Jul 2013 #21

1% Criminals Don't "do the time" villager Jul 2013 #27

Irish politicians are also asking that he be given shelter in Ireland. sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #24

Don't kid yourself..... DeSwiss Jul 2013 #26

The reaction on twitter is not good at all for us Catherina Jul 2013 #34

We were not so "hated" in WWII treestar Jul 2013 #35

Except that was 30years ago and we've been riding on that. Katashi_itto Jul 2013 #43

They could treestar Jul 2013 #51

Nice to be able to agree with you treestar. wtmusic Jul 2013 #107

1940's US-- a time of unprecedented propaganda eilen Jul 2013 #115

So, is this the happy dance thread? Skidmore Jul 2013 #37

You don't feel any personal embarrassment at how we are treating the rest of the world? DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2013 #80

Did I say that? Skidmore Jul 2013 #82

I'm asking. DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2013 #83

And I'm telling you my opinion. Skidmore Jul 2013 #85

You've already told me where I want this to go wtmusic Jul 2013 #86

I'm responding to the tone and tenor of the posts I have been reading Skidmore Jul 2013 #90

... sibelian Jul 2013 #116

The Empire has no clothes. Union Scribe Jul 2013 #39

Oh hey, a right-wing rag in the UK says a thing in an editorial Arkana Jul 2013 #46

BTW, How's that Official Secrets Act working out for them? brooklynite Jul 2013 #58

The Guardian is left wing muriel_volestrangler Jul 2013 #63

yep temmer Jul 2013 #87

Didn't Obama have an 88% approval rating in Germany just this month? JaneyVee Jul 2013 #47

This message was self-deleted by its author wtmusic Jul 2013 #111

Unrec for RW nonsense and an Unrec for your avatar image. FSogol Jul 2013 #48

You're claiming the German Greens are right wing? muriel_volestrangler Jul 2013 #66

Rubbish is conflating a German op-ed into worldwide hatred of the US. FSogol Jul 2013 #69

OK, so you *are* claiming it's right wing muriel_volestrangler Jul 2013 #70

Example of your polite niceties to someone who disagreed with you: "You are a waste of space." FSogol Jul 2013 #73

How typical that you take "the sky is falling" from OP. wtmusic Jul 2013 #94

Oh Noes! My worst Orwellian Nightmare! FSogol Jul 2013 #98

So some asshat writes up HappyMe Jul 2013 #49

The US is hated by many, loved by many,...... NCTraveler Jul 2013 #50

And so many here still think Snowden is a hero? liberal N proud Jul 2013 #53

yeah better that we kept this illegal shit secret right? bobduca Jul 2013 #55

Secret vs divulging secrets to the world? liberal N proud Jul 2013 #62

What I learned from James Bond : How not to make a martini. bobduca Jul 2013 #65

It was a joke just like everyone who truly believe that Snowden is a hero liberal N proud Jul 2013 #68

a joke bobduca Jul 2013 #71

Now we are getting to your real problem liberal N proud Jul 2013 #74

I love the president and his fan club!111 bobduca Jul 2013 #79

That would make it nice and simple wouldn't it? sibelian Jul 2013 #117

My liberty is not yours to sacrifice wtmusic Jul 2013 #91

It was sacrificed already sharing divulging secret information to other nations is still a crime liberal N proud Jul 2013 #93

Really? wtmusic Jul 2013 #97

You were the one crying about civil liberties in you previous post liberal N proud Jul 2013 #100

You're confusing discovering the loss with losing them. wtmusic Jul 2013 #104

Making Snowden a hero isn't one of them liberal N proud Jul 2013 #105

Oh yay... one_voice Jul 2013 #54

So what you are saying laundry_queen Jul 2013 #110

I guess you missed this part of my comment... one_voice Jul 2013 #118

Didn't miss it laundry_queen Jul 2013 #123

You weren't here during the Smirk years, this is nothing, DU was far more unified in hating the US Fumesucker Jul 2013 #121

... at DU nt SidDithers Jul 2013 #56

Yet another Bush/Obama false equivalency. Greybnk48 Jul 2013 #57

I cant find a single comment from anyone "hating" the US. bunnies Jul 2013 #61

They should be hating the banksters that control our government. We are in the unfortunate Zorra Jul 2013 #64

don't worry temmer Jul 2013 #84

The book "The Ugly American" was written in the 1950s if my memory serves me correctly 1-Old-Man Jul 2013 #75

This message was self-deleted by its author HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #108

Wow, you took a comment section from the Guardian tallahasseedem Jul 2013 #78

Hope he never finds the comment section of Yahoo News. FSogol Jul 2013 #81

Yahoo?! Good one. wtmusic Jul 2013 #101

Feel free to publish comments from any international publication wtmusic Jul 2013 #89

No need to hold your breath... tallahasseedem Jul 2013 #92

So...nothing. wtmusic Jul 2013 #95

That's what I said! tallahasseedem Jul 2013 #99

Not one example? From ANY international publication? wtmusic Jul 2013 #102

Oh, I'm sure that there are plenty out there... tallahasseedem Jul 2013 #109

A similar op-ed has been published in the Toronto Star. PDJane Jul 2013 #88

Does "German Green" have any relation to the American Green Party? ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jul 2013 #112

The author was a minister in the German government muriel_volestrangler Jul 2013 #113

I ignore people of all kinds including Americans, which was pretty clearly made apparent in my post ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jul 2013 #119

So, falling back on the "he criticises Obama, so he must be racist" BS, huh? muriel_volestrangler Jul 2013 #122