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Yo_Mama

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56. This is not going to help us at the polls

Wed Jul 3, 2013, 10:34 AM

Jul 2013

The last thing voters want to hear is that the law is that you have to have insurance but the employer doesn't have to pay for it, nor if they provide it, does it need to be affordable.

Sorry, this just doesn't go with the country's mood (which is Dem).

Are those who were ever likely at all to vote Dem next year going to be wiping sweat from their brows and saying "OMG, I'm so glad my employer isn't being faced with a fine for not providing insurance for me?" Doesn't Holtz-Eakin sound like a loon for saying that?

Also it's going to hurt, because this means one major source of funding for the exchanges is cut out of the system for another year, which is going to make the law far more costly. In a few weeks CBO will publish another projection. That's fodder for ACA opponents.

Effectively this probably also means that the individual mandate is dead (how can the IRS fine people?) for the year, so that means there won't be any source of funding?

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Obama�s Brilliant Move Deals A Blow To The GOP�s 2014 Hopes [View all] DainBramaged Jul 2013 OP

Thanks for posting this! I had briefly caught this, but this article you posted cleared it up for me! RKP5637 Jul 2013 #1

This is game changing DainBramaged Jul 2013 #2

Was this mandate meant to help people or hurt people? The Link Jul 2013 #3

If you have to ask that question, maybe you should revisit the law DainBramaged Jul 2013 #5

I guess a brilliant political move trumps helping those in need of it the most. The Link Jul 2013 #8

I agree! People needing RX or other care are Dustlawyer Jul 2013 #23

Screwing innocents isn't cool. GeorgeGist Jul 2013 #45

winning in 2014 is essential. republicans are trying to remove the Affordable Health Care Act. bushisanidiot Jul 2013 #57

Uh huh durablend Jul 2013 #64

2014 will be a bloodbath for the Democrats Le Taz Hot Jul 2013 #77

postponing = destroying lhooq Jul 2013 #88

Agreed Mr Dixon Jul 2013 #92

So it's only about "winning." Apophis Jul 2013 #117

Those who can't afford it DearAbby Jul 2013 #120

I believe we won't have that in Fl Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #141

Right. We need to "win" in 2014 so our own party can fuck us over too. Bake Jul 2013 #129

So, you would stick with 2014 in exchange for losing both houses of Congress to Republicans??? NYC_SKP Jul 2013 #82

That's a confession this law hurts Democrats. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2013 #100

This law hurts democrats in that it's hot fuel for Republicans in political races. NYC_SKP Jul 2013 #118

whatever DainBramaged Jul 2013 #114

No "innocents" will be screwed. pnwmom Jul 2013 #135

I buy the premise. sibelian Jul 2013 #7

A one year delay in this component does not mean Republicans cannot or will not use it as fodder LonePirate Jul 2013 #4

Of course, the glass is half empty..... DainBramaged Jul 2013 #6

In a sense it is an admission zeemike Jul 2013 #12

Right. In fact, it could be worse this way! thesquanderer Jul 2013 #18

I agree with you, I think you have the best analysis here. n/t SylviaD Jul 2013 #27

The RepublicCONS will use the delay as "proof" that ACA is unworkable. xtraxritical Jul 2013 #69

Already seeing the memes on facebook tonight. nt Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #142

Once again, someone is playing politics Ilsa Jul 2013 #9

I don't understand how its a brilliant move to fuck with people who need help the most. The Link Jul 2013 #10

I agree. I think Ilsa Jul 2013 #11

Exactly! More spin - when people's lives are at stake. These people...n/t chimpymustgo Jul 2013 #48

"Playing politics with our healthcare" did not start yesterday and not by Obama. pampango Jul 2013 #17

I realize that. Ilsa Jul 2013 #39

I do not think this will diffuse much. Puzzledtraveller Jul 2013 #13

I broke their fist with my nose... kentuck Jul 2013 #14

! bobduca Jul 2013 #53

The Administration isn't "flailing to find high-profile allies" - it's being *obstructed* Triana Jul 2013 #15

My concern WilliamPitt Jul 2013 #16

"See voters! It doesn't work!" tridim Jul 2013 #21

on target--again as usual--damn William Pitt is always on target.... dembotoz Jul 2013 #24

In a nutshell. This looks lose/lose to me. People don't get covered, and we lose the political chimpymustgo Jul 2013 #55

I thought the big advantage of implementing it soon Vietnameravet Jul 2013 #19

Not enough time for enough good experiences... allin99 Jul 2013 #42

This is some serious whistling past the graveyard. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2013 #20

How can the GOP "talk it down" when it's already working and already saving people money? tridim Jul 2013 #22

"It's working so awesome we're gonna postpone it another year so the GOP can't Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2013 #25

Exactly..... BrainDrain Jul 2013 #30

It is already working. Period. tridim Jul 2013 #33

I think you missed the part of the reporting Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2013 #38

I blame business because I see it with my own eyes. tridim Jul 2013 #54

They hold all the cards but Obama gave them the 1 ace he held. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2013 #104

Yup. ctsnowman Jul 2013 #74

If this administration was serious about ACA it would not have rolled it out xtraxritical Jul 2013 #84

This administration is 100% serious about PPACA. tridim Jul 2013 #95

What I'm talking about is it if it was not a gift to insurance companies it would not be law. xtraxritical Jul 2013 #103

You need to read the legislation. The part that is being delayed is a minimal part bluestate10 Jul 2013 #144

There is no legislation. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2013 #147

That Part is Not Already Up and Running erpowers Jul 2013 #28

In other words, business barked and the politicians jumped. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2013 #34

Seems That Way erpowers Jul 2013 #46

+100 RC Jul 2013 #26

I'm not quite there yet, nor do I care to be. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2013 #32

And now I don't trust you. Congrats. tridim Jul 2013 #35

You do realize that Obamacare is a slightly reworked version of Romneycare? RC Jul 2013 #50

Noooo, really? tridim Jul 2013 #51

Why? Because private money rules in politics while it should be banned, and Amonester Jul 2013 #61

Excuses, excuses... RC Jul 2013 #75

Private money gave how much to Obama's campaign? Amonester Jul 2013 #99

And yet Obama is unburdened by running for re-election. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2013 #106

GOP smells fear like randy buck smells the rut. Eleanors38 Jul 2013 #90

++ pecwae Jul 2013 #105

This: CrispyQ Jul 2013 #128

The hallmark of any great piece of legislation Dreamer Tatum Jul 2013 #29

The ACA is already working. It is not a "trainwreck". tridim Jul 2013 #36

It's working? abelenkpe Jul 2013 #68

Yes, unless your boss is a law breaking, GOP asshole. tridim Jul 2013 #85

Nice abelenkpe Jul 2013 #97

With every change there will be people who benefit and some that face setbacks. bluestate10 Jul 2013 #145

I think you're going to be sorely disappointed since this law is going to be successful Politicub Jul 2013 #37

Sorry, I disagree... BrainDrain Jul 2013 #47

My two doctors think the ACA is important and necessary - a PCP and a specialist Politicub Jul 2013 #49

Millions more insured, rates falling daily (with actual refund checks), free preventative care... tridim Jul 2013 #52

Yeah, thats me... BrainDrain Jul 2013 #59

Insurance rates are falling because of the new law. tridim Jul 2013 #87

rates falling daily! Puzzledtraveller Jul 2013 #86

Yes, in the real world, premium rates are falling as a direct result of the law. tridim Jul 2013 #89

So mine have went up consecutively each year Puzzledtraveller Jul 2013 #93

If your insurer profits more than the law allows, you will be getting a refund check this year. tridim Jul 2013 #96

We do not receive the refund Puzzledtraveller Jul 2013 #101

Yeah, and we're saying that a law passed in 2010 can't be started until 2015? Yo_Mama Jul 2013 #58

Another reason why we need to turn the house blue in 2014 Politicub Jul 2013 #31

Completely Disagree erpowers Jul 2013 #40

Everything Obama does is Brilliant n2doc Jul 2013 #41

The view is better at the Church of O on Sundays. L0oniX Jul 2013 #102

Obama works in mysterious ways! nt Union Scribe Jul 2013 #137

And then we can delay implementation until 2017 so as to deal a blow to the GOP's 2016 hopes. And Karmadillo Jul 2013 #43

It's totally AWESOME! durablend Jul 2013 #65

^this^ nt abelenkpe Jul 2013 #72

When we put the lives of citizens ahead of electoral victories, the terrorists win. Karmadillo Jul 2013 #91

Uhm, the Democrats wanted the ACA implimented immediately. tridim Jul 2013 #98

Now if only we could get those Republicans out of the House. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2013 #109

Uhm, the Republicans had nothing to do with it madville Jul 2013 #131

Cynical cowering is not brilliance TheKentuckian Jul 2013 #44

I do not think I've ever seen 5 words used so well. 1-Old-Man Jul 2013 #60

You're more than welcome to it TheKentuckian Jul 2013 #146

This is not going to help us at the polls Yo_Mama Jul 2013 #56

This is not a brilliant move. HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #62

Good move! Iliyah Jul 2013 #63

This is one of the most wildly stupid things I've seen yet out of this administration Prism Jul 2013 #66

All great points. ctsnowman Jul 2013 #83

Agreed Prism. Puglover Jul 2013 #123

You are correct sir! Safetykitten Jul 2013 #130

This reminds me of Obama extending Bush tax cuts in 2010 then running against extending them again suffragette Jul 2013 #67

Every day Barack Obama is in office, I myself am a winner. The best after LBJ of all time. nt graham4anything Jul 2013 #80

Too funny. n/t AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #107

Out of all the posts on this thread, you respond to mine. suffragette Jul 2013 #112

Obama to Supporters: Nope! lhooq Jul 2013 #70

"Fool I was to put any faith in the President and his corporatist wing of the Democratic Party" DainBramaged Jul 2013 #133

This must be satire. forestpath Jul 2013 #71

Take that TeaPukers! SoapBox Jul 2013 #73

Regardless of this move.... Wounded Bear Jul 2013 #76

All Repubs need to say is caseymoz Jul 2013 #78

Now why would delaying that bit of the law be a good thing for Dems? Skip Intro Jul 2013 #79

He should try to push back the legalization of gay marriage to 2015, too. Nye Bevan Jul 2013 #81

killing the sick and the poor to grease politics is "brilliant?" mike_c Jul 2013 #94

I thought the ACA was supposed to be a great thing. former9thward Jul 2013 #108

My thoughts exactly! HeroInAHalfShell Jul 2013 #111

What a load of spin. Laelth Jul 2013 #110

Rec AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #115

The Affordable Care Act is a bridgehead, it's like D-Day Babel_17 Jul 2013 #113

So he's screwing over millions of uninsured with a brilliant political move? Apophis Jul 2013 #116

Politics is a chess game. cbdo2007 Jul 2013 #119

Millions of uninsured should never be pawns in a political chess game. Apophis Jul 2013 #125

Brilliant.....when it is revisited in 2016, with President Obama completely out of the picture... cbdo2007 Jul 2013 #121

It's sad that no matter what the President tries, a majority here now pull out the tar and feathers DainBramaged Jul 2013 #122

That's one way to look at it... n/t leeroysphitz Jul 2013 #124

an additional year before the ACA mandatory employer and insurer reporting requirements begin DainBramaged Jul 2013 #126

Want To Know The RW Response? It's Already Been Puked Down From Above ChoppinBroccoli Jul 2013 #127

"I hope the administration recognizes the need... WorseBeforeBetter Jul 2013 #139

Wow so caving yet again is brilliant? bowens43 Jul 2013 #132

Does the Administration have the authority to delay these milestones madville Jul 2013 #134

This won't in any way prevent the GOP from running against 'Obmacare' markpkessinger Jul 2013 #136

President Obama removes every obstacle that the GOP can find to rally around. Major Hogwash Jul 2013 #138

You know they'll still run against Obamacare that they've tried Cha Jul 2013 #140

Of course the "progressive" experts here on DU think differently. But, bluestate10 Jul 2013 #143

well lookie a "centrist" likes this capitulation! bobduca Jul 2013 #148

Brilliant move? 99Forever Jul 2013 #149