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There�s a Secret Patriot Act, Senator Says [View all] East Coast Pirate Jul 2013 OP

has Wyden been fully thrown under the bus on this site yet? villager Jul 2013 #1

IMO more ignored than thrown under the bus but then again being ignored as a Dem Senator think Jul 2013 #9

Give it time. The list of Liberal/Democrats under the bus, along with every Civil Rights organizatio sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #13

Post removed Post removed Jul 2013 #60

This message was self-deleted by its author trueblue2007 Jul 2013 #81

He has a funny last name. Sounds foreign. nt Enthusiast Jul 2013 #105

They are not done with GG and ES yet. MuseRider Jul 2013 #54

Does Wyden have a girlfriend? Maybe we can slutshame her Taft_Bathtub Jul 2013 #71

Yes! DeSwiss Jul 2013 #98

Slutshame? Really? merrily Jul 2013 #112

Nope. LWolf Jul 2013 #90

You just want Palin for President! villager Jul 2013 #91

Of course! LWolf Jul 2013 #92

If he wasn't before, he has been on this thread. merrily Jul 2013 #113

kick for my senator Wyden. grasswire Jul 2013 #2

I cetainly wish we ahd one like himhere in California. n/t truedelphi Jul 2013 #87

So is Wyden going to put a "hold" on it? BumRushDaShow Jul 2013 #3

That would be hard since the article is from 2011. n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #6

LOL BumRushDaShow Jul 2013 #11

Ah, the early signs of the smearing of yet another Democrat who dares to speak out about sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #14

What "smear"? BumRushDaShow Jul 2013 #21

No, legislation can't be stopped with a 'hold'. former9thward Jul 2013 #44

Plus, Wyden was talking about a secret interpretation of a law. merrily Jul 2013 #111

Filibustering and Secret Holds fredamae Jul 2013 #61

And this is from June of this year: sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #15

Doesn't change the fact that the OP article is from 2011. n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #19

What it doesn't change is that most Democrats have remained consistent in their oppostiion sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #24

Here, ProSense Jul 2013 #27

Still unwilling to explain your change of heart regarding Bush's domestic spying and the sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #36

I have to admit ProSense Jul 2013 #39

Post removed Post removed Jul 2013 #55

FAIL ProSense Jul 2013 #57

So that's a no then? truebrit71 Jul 2013 #59

No, it's calling out desperation. ProSense Jul 2013 #66

I didn't raise the issue. It was very interesting though to see how opposed you were to sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #76

Well, ProSense Jul 2013 #77

There is nothing more disingenuous than taking a principled stand on an issue sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #83

What ProSense Jul 2013 #84

I would like to know why you changed your mind also. bvar22 Jul 2013 #99

Oh c'mon. She's not going to waste her time telling us why when we already know the answer dflprincess Jul 2013 #102

Come now, Prosense, we are all waiting to hear your reasoning. Th1onein Jul 2013 #96

You mean her posting a link LondonReign2 Jul 2013 #129

It's shameful if that's the reason she's now supporting wholesale spying. Th1onein Jul 2013 #151

So, your point then, is to focus the date, without regard for this subject? MrMickeysMom Jul 2013 #25

Actually, ProSense Jul 2013 #49

So, your "point" was to let the poster know this? MrMickeysMom Jul 2013 #103

We will be waiting for his and other Dems' filibusters BumRushDaShow Jul 2013 #23

Smearing Sen. Wyden now, are you?? Wyden has NEVER cowered in a corner sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #26

What that sound? East Coast Pirate Jul 2013 #72

How do you put a hold on a secret interpretation of a law? merrily Jul 2013 #110

Rec for Wyden and my Senator Udall. Autumn Jul 2013 #4

And now Senator Udall's brother is missing. factsarenotfair Jul 2013 #5

I know, I heard about it. Autumn Jul 2013 #8

I hadn't heard about that. I hope he is found. sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #16

K&R, and thanks to the courage of Snowden, woo me with science Jul 2013 #7

Oh, that Wyden LondonReign2 Jul 2013 #10

Fuck the patroit act. As a Senator, Wyden can declassify any intel on the spot. Mr. David Jul 2013 #12

Really? Then Wyden and all those other Democrats are liars? sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #17

"Of course he could just do what Snowden did and decide to break the law." ProSense Jul 2013 #20

Yes, he knew he was breaking the law and what the consequences would be which is what makes sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #29

Not ProSense Jul 2013 #34

Yawn! They said all of that about Ellsberg (is he still a hero, or did I mess his demotion to sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #38

Ellsberg didn't flee to Hong Kong. n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #41

Different country back then. We were still a democracy. sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #52

Different situation is more like it, and ProSense Jul 2013 #56

He was prosecuted but back then there were still elected officials and a free press, plus a SC sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #78

Ellsberg was prosecuted. But he was not tortured, was he? Th1onein Jul 2013 #97

Ellsberg thinks Manning and Snowden are exactly like Ellsberg. merrily Jul 2013 #121

So what? merrily Jul 2013 #116

He doesn't sound at all like he was clueless about the consequences. merrily Jul 2013 #115

They always say laws were meant to be broken, and boy are they ever so broken nolabels Jul 2013 #32

How can anyone expose the secret law breaking by our own government, without breaking the law RC Jul 2013 #50

Exactly -- Joseph Heller couldn't have imagined a more diabolical arrangement! n/t markpkessinger Jul 2013 #85

Wow, that's quite a revelation. I would love to know more. A Senator rhett o rick Jul 2013 #37

The Constitution is the source. merrily Jul 2013 #117

No he can't. former9thward Jul 2013 #46

Members of the Senate Intel Committee have to sign an agreement that they won't reveal merrily Jul 2013 #114

Can POTUS veto it? Myrina Jul 2013 #18

This article is from the past. BlueCheese Jul 2013 #35

I didn't realize it was that old. East Coast Pirate Jul 2013 #43

Definitely still relevant. BlueCheese Jul 2013 #45

Can he veto his own secret interpretation of a law? merrily Jul 2013 #118

K & R !!! WillyT Jul 2013 #22

But Wyden's girl friend is a pole-dancer. nm rhett o rick Jul 2013 #28

I think we have a shadow military government that tells presidents what they want them to know. Zen Democrat Jul 2013 #30

I think there may be something to that. We changed presidents but the intelligence agencies stayed rhett o rick Jul 2013 #40

Not only that, but the heads of those agencies dixiegrrrrl Jul 2013 #64

We should be figuring out that the President may be a figurehead. nm rhett o rick Jul 2013 #155

Obama seems to love him re-appointing Bushies anyway. merrily Jul 2013 #124

I don't think it necessarily happened with Eisenhower but he saw it coming. dflprincess Jul 2013 #101

This has crossed my mind. Enthusiast Jul 2013 #107

This is a part of a reply to a post I made timdog44 Jul 2013 #108

Great post, Tim! Enthusiast Jul 2013 #109

Trained at West Point, military all his life, general for years, President and CIC for 8 years, merrily Jul 2013 #119

Please expand on your point. nt Enthusiast Jul 2013 #135

The credit that Eisenhower gets for that warning has always merrily Jul 2013 #136

I imagine there is good reason for that. Enthusiast Jul 2013 #139

.... merrily Jul 2013 #141

He could have inspired or launched a massive investigation/expose Enthusiast Jul 2013 #146

I don't see how his launching an investigation would merrily Jul 2013 #147

So we've been on double secret probation since 2011? leeroysphitz Jul 2013 #31

More like since 1914, if not before. merrily Jul 2013 #149

As president Johnson said, nineteen50 Jul 2013 #33

Yeah he was only kidding about the Gulf of Tonkin Incident. nm rhett o rick Jul 2013 #42

and Clapper was only kidding about government not nineteen50 Jul 2013 #47

No, no that was completely a misunderstanding as he told Ms. Mitchell and she accepted it. rhett o rick Jul 2013 #53

That is what the prison boss told nineteen50 Jul 2013 #63

Wyden and Udall have consistently questioned the Patriot Act provisions since 2011 Maedhros Jul 2013 #48

At one point threads like this on du... NCTraveler Jul 2013 #51

The whole country is on Double Secret Probation n2doc Jul 2013 #58

That was my first thought! deutsey Jul 2013 #62

So, when did Wyden become a Rand Paul supporter? Fuddnik Jul 2013 #65

Thank you Senator Wyden felix_numinous Jul 2013 #67

filibuster mtasselin Jul 2013 #68

A law that is classified is no law at all, at least as far as I'm concerned Jack Rabbit Jul 2013 #69

the Roman plebes had to threaten to found their own city to get law public MisterP Jul 2013 #75

the OP says it is Obama's secret interpretation of the law, not the law itself, that is the issue. merrily Jul 2013 #127

Repeal the fucking thing then. bunnies Jul 2013 #70

Wyden did not vote to extend it in 2006 but Senator Obama sure did. Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #73

And it was the wrong thing to do. bunnies Jul 2013 #74

And it was extended by President Obama in 2011 when the majority bullwinkle428 Jul 2013 #122

They don't want to repeal it. ProSense Jul 2013 #79

Thanks Pro. bunnies Jul 2013 #82

Yeah, that's gonna change everything and the secret surveillance East Coast Pirate Jul 2013 #89

You are correct, given that the Executive Branch claims it can have secret interpretations of laws, merrily Jul 2013 #126

The more shame on them. It should be repealed. merrily Jul 2013 #125

Agree on the contents, but you can't repeal a secret interpretation by the Exec. Branch. merrily Jul 2013 #123

I think we probably agree that... bunnies Jul 2013 #128

People are starting to talk about economic boycott. merrily Jul 2013 #132

I think you might have more faith in the American people than I do. bunnies Jul 2013 #133

Sorry about that! There's one in Boston, but I don't know if you want to spend most of merrily Jul 2013 #134

Id bet *most* people still dont know. bunnies Jul 2013 #137

64% of 40 something percent of the Country is not a majority of Americans, though. merrily Jul 2013 #138

True enough. bunnies Jul 2013 #140

"Maybe I projected unreal expectations onto the man." merrily Jul 2013 #144

all hail warrprayer Jul 2013 #80

k and r nashville_brook Jul 2013 #86

Ultimately we have a 4th Amendment. They can't endrun it very easily. Gregorian Jul 2013 #88

"They can't endrun it very easily." Yes We Can! kenny blankenship Jul 2013 #100

Secret Laws, Secret Agencies, Secret Edicts - Where Is The Transparency We Voted For, I Demand Answers cantbeserious Jul 2013 #93

You can go to whitehous.gov and learn everything Obama wants you to know. merrily Jul 2013 #130

What is going on? Harmony Blue Jul 2013 #94

I can't say. It's a secret. merrily Jul 2013 #131

k & r! nt wildbilln864 Jul 2013 #95

No matter how paranoid or conspiracy-minded you are... alterfurz Jul 2013 #104

Yeah, no. I've seen some loony theories on message boards. merrily Jul 2013 #120

Ron Wyden worked his way through college as a pole dancer. QC Jul 2013 #106

LOL :) nt Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #157

Old News! Coyotl Jul 2013 #142

It is amazing to see what some posters DO NOT know. Coyotl Jul 2013 #143

Waaaaaaaa East Coast Pirate Jul 2013 #145

The front page is generated automatically by statistics. Coyotl Jul 2013 #148

No it isn't. East Coast Pirate Jul 2013 #150

Yes it is. Coyotl Jul 2013 #152

No it isn't. East Coast Pirate Jul 2013 #153

Oh dear. Safetykitten Jul 2013 #154

Everybody is a terr'ist, right? blkmusclmachine Jul 2013 #156