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In reply to the discussion: I supported and defended the ACA. Sucker that I was. [View all]gcomeau
(5,764 posts)2. The ACA was far from ideal...
...but the idea that it was worse than not implementing it is ludicrous.
California and Montana have both progressed to the point where the quotes for plans on their exchanges are firming up and they're both showing that costs of those plans are lower.
http://medcitynews.com/2013/06/montana-average-price-of-health-insurance-lower-with-obamacare/
"Lindeen noted that many had expected the policies to be more expensive, because, under the law, they must offer a set of "essential health benefits" and insurers cannot turn away or charge more for unhealthy people.
However, the analysis shows that the products sold on the marketplace will cover more services and more people, yet still cost less than policies sold without ACA rules, she said.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/27/opinion/krugman-the-obamacare-shock.html?_r=0
Well, the California bids are in that is, insurers have submitted the prices at which they are willing to offer coverage on the states newly created Obamacare exchange. And the prices, it turns out, are surprisingly low. A handful of healthy people may find themselves paying more for coverage, but it looks as if Obamacares first year in California is going to be an overwhelmingly positive experience.
"Does anyone believe that some businesses won't dump health insurance altogether, forcing employees onto the exchanges and into the welcoming arms of insurance companies? "
You do realize that businesses get that insurance for their employees FROM INSURANCE COMPANIES TOO... right? You're "in the welcoming arms of the insurance companies" either way so what are you talking about???
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Before the vote, I wondered how many politicians and parties related to them became stockholders
AnotherMcIntosh
Jul 2013
#1
Yep. My company has over 100 employees, and we are already planning to hire only part-timers
Sheldon Cooper
Jul 2013
#24
and some companies have horrible risk pools and bad negotiating leverage
Pretzel_Warrior
Jul 2013
#5
Hey, U can't say THAT, STFU... because that's what those crazy Tea Party freaks are saying!!
99th_Monkey
Jul 2013
#6
Maybe some here can opine on the "Pre-existing" thing. Apparently I cannot read.
Safetykitten
Jul 2013
#14
I knew at Rick Warren that I had been had. Obama pretended to be progressive but with Mr. Warren
rhett o rick
Jul 2013
#20
If you thought Obama was progressive, you were wearing rose colored glasses. I knew he was moderate.
Honeycombe8
Jul 2013
#26
He wanted single payer health care, he wanted to shut down the Patriot Act, he wanted to
rhett o rick
Jul 2013
#28
He has supported social programs, but his stands on the Patriot Act and domestic spying are hard
rhett o rick
Jul 2013
#30
Howard Dean: Mandate Delay Begins Shift To Government-Financed Health Care System
ProSense
Jul 2013
#21
Some posters in DU have been complaining about the effect the ACA will have on small bus.
Honeycombe8
Jul 2013
#22
The ACA was a terrible thing to do. We will have insurance companies tied to us for the rest of our
Safetykitten
Jul 2013
#27