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blue neen

(12,465 posts)
58. You're quite welcome.
Thu Feb 16, 2012, 12:47 AM
Feb 2012

We're all just trying to survive in the face of the Gas Industry's propaganda machines. They already own the government here--they also try extremely hard to control the information we receive.

The sad thing is, a lot of the time they are successful. I guess that is what happens when Big Oil and Gas are actually using military psyops to brainwash us all into seeing things their way:

"Matt Carmichael, manager of external affairs for Anadarko Petroleum, which has nearly 300,000 acres of Marcellus Shale gas holdings under lease in Central Pennsylvania, gave a speech urging industry media spokesmen to read a military counterinsurgency manual for tips in dealing with opponents to shale gas development."

"Download the U.S. Army/Marine Corps Counterinsurgency Manual, because we are dealing with an insurgency," Mr. Carmichael said in a session titled "Understanding How Unconventional Oil & Gas Operators are Developing a Comprehensive Media Relations Strategy to Engage Stakeholders and Educate the Public."

"There's a lot of good lessons in there," he said, "and coming from a military background, I found the insight extremely remarkable."

Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/11317/1189273-503-0.stm#ixzz1mW6bUIzo

Yes, if we don't agree with the Robber Barons we are "insurgents."

Classy, huh?

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The law seems reasonable and fair to me badtoworse Feb 2012 #1
Hopefully ... GeorgeGist Feb 2012 #2
Have they even commented on it? badtoworse Feb 2012 #4
Huh....!!?? CanSocDem Feb 2012 #3
The law mandates that the information be made available to doctors. badtoworse Feb 2012 #6
...and that 'doctors' cannot share... CanSocDem Feb 2012 #10
They can share their concerns with regulators such as OSHA and the DEP badtoworse Feb 2012 #11
I'm confused. grntuscarora Feb 2012 #13
See No. 11 badtoworse Feb 2012 #14
I'm assuming grntuscarora Feb 2012 #16
No matter. grntuscarora Feb 2012 #17
I don't know the answer to your question about a patient being being bound by the confidentiality badtoworse Feb 2012 #18
After being poisoned by grntuscarora Feb 2012 #23
Perhaps... badtoworse Feb 2012 #24
There is a recent study called "Impacts of Gas Drilling on Animal and Human Health" grntuscarora Feb 2012 #34
I imagine many people believe that... LanternWaste Feb 2012 #65
Different frack formulas Frack Glop Feb 2012 #63
The problem is with the verbiage used as the medical profession sees it siligut Feb 2012 #5
There are already "right to know" laws on the books that deal with what you describe badtoworse Feb 2012 #7
They are making it very difficult for medical professionals to do their job. siligut Feb 2012 #8
I don't see a problem here badtoworse Feb 2012 #9
They are not forthcoming with the information, it is the equivalent of jumping through hoops. siligut Feb 2012 #12
You may not like it, but there are valid reasons why trade secrets exist - nt badtoworse Feb 2012 #15
Well, you just said it all right there..."trade secrets." blue neen Feb 2012 #19
There are situations where state law should preempt local law. This is one of them. badtoworse Feb 2012 #20
Really? blue neen Feb 2012 #26
The EPA is currently investigating Dimock badtoworse Feb 2012 #32
I think that no matter what damage to people, the water supply, or the environment TheKentuckian Feb 2012 #38
That is not true badtoworse Feb 2012 #46
In post 20 you are saying that we should trust the state to take care of regulating fracking. blue neen Feb 2012 #39
In Post 20, I was referring to local governments being preempted by state law. badtoworse Feb 2012 #44
Tom Corrupt's hand-picked crony, Krancer has been quite active in keeping the EPA out. blue neen Feb 2012 #50
Krancer's letter was about methane migration, a different issue badtoworse Feb 2012 #52
The article actually states that Krancer has tried to block the EPA. blue neen Feb 2012 #56
If the gas industry has their way PA Democrat Feb 2012 #54
You're quite welcome. blue neen Feb 2012 #58
Those fucking trade secrets take a back seat to public health MattBaggins Feb 2012 #27
Gassers are Exempt from RIGHT TO KNOW in PA under this bill Frack Glop Feb 2012 #64
Protection is for those who are victims of fracking, not the companies. Avalux Feb 2012 #21
Has it even happened where a doctor needed to know the makeup of fracking fluid to treat a patient? badtoworse Feb 2012 #22
Do you work for Marcellus Shale? Avalux Feb 2012 #25
You didn't respond to my question, but I'll respond to yours anyway badtoworse Feb 2012 #29
Medical professional; public health advocate. Avalux Feb 2012 #33
How many cases have you treated for exposure to fracking fluids or even heard of? badtoworse Feb 2012 #35
There are anecdotal cases - Avalux Feb 2012 #36
Should we wait for a cancer epidemic? PA Democrat Feb 2012 #37
Here's an example: blue neen Feb 2012 #40
Very good link - thank you badtoworse Feb 2012 #47
Yes we can find out what is in those rail cars MattBaggins Feb 2012 #28
DEP and OSHA already have access to the MSDS sheets under existing law badtoworse Feb 2012 #30
You're kidding, right? me b zola Feb 2012 #41
How do you take your fracking fluid? badtoworse Feb 2012 #42
Well, right now I'm drinking mine in my glass of water. blue neen Feb 2012 #43
How do you know that? Has the water been tested? badtoworse Feb 2012 #48
We're still waiting for the results. Geez, I wonder why it's taking so long. blue neen Feb 2012 #57
Gee, what could possibly go wrong here? PA Democrat Feb 2012 #60
It makes your hair stand on end, doesn't it? blue neen Feb 2012 #61
I'll speak slower for you me b zola Feb 2012 #45
As I understand the new law, it provides a way for doctors to find out badtoworse Feb 2012 #49
But denies them the ability to warn the public of a huge health risk me b zola Feb 2012 #51
Does the law prevent them from notifying DEP, EPA, CDC, OSHA, etc.? badtoworse Feb 2012 #53
badtoworse Angry Dragon Feb 2012 #31
I was thinking the same thing Tsiyu Feb 2012 #55
Those with nothing to hide... BeHereNow Feb 2012 #59
Tom Corbett: More Than a Sandusky Player. WinkyDink Feb 2012 #62
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