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JaneyVee

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24. I'm still on the fence and see both sides of the debate.

Reply to kentuck (Original post)

Wed Jul 3, 2013, 11:22 PM

Jul 2013

Not on the fence about whether he is a traitor or not, on the fence about the NSA's actions in general.

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Nobody is going to change their mind about Snowden. [View all] kentuck Jul 2013 OP

A person can believe in privacy rights and at the same time think that Snowden is a criminal... Tx4obama Jul 2013 #1

This. The demand to think unilaterally is weird. CakeGrrl Jul 2013 #2

Of course the remedy, as you point out here... Kurovski Jul 2013 #35

leaking information to foreign countries who aren't our allies at imopportune moments is not "whistl KittyWampus Jul 2013 #51

when george bush is prosecuted for killing thousands of americans and hundreds of thousands HiPointDem Jul 2013 #64

It is a fact of life vdogg Jul 2013 #76

oh go tell the marines HiPointDem Jul 2013 #98

well goodness qazplm Jul 2013 #101

that the US goes after a guy who reveals information that could put the criminal george bush HiPointDem Jul 2013 #104

A whistle-blower exposes ILLEGAL activity CakeGrrl Jul 2013 #57

And a glibbety-globbety-gloob to you as well. Kurovski Jul 2013 #58

And to you as well! CakeGrrl Jul 2013 #74

How do you know it was legal? kentuck Jul 2013 #93

"demand to think unilaterally" - yip, plus the name-calling ("authoritarians") - plus UTUSN Jul 2013 #88

My ATA question of Sat Apr 13, 2013, 10:22 AM UTUSN Jul 2013 #92

Agreed. They are not mutually exclusive. Liberal Veteran Jul 2013 #4

Yup. n/t Chan790 Jul 2013 #11

Alexander and Clapper should be punished first for lying to the people. dkf Jul 2013 #17

Clapper "apologized." These days, that earns the 1% a pass when it comes to perjury or HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #18

a jury can find guilt but dismiss because they believe the nineteen50 Jul 2013 #59

A person could think Snowden is a criminal... MrMickeysMom Jul 2013 #70

Snowden already publicly stated he committed crimes. So, in my book case closed on that issue :) Tx4obama Jul 2013 #71

Well, let's hear it for open mindedness... MrMickeysMom Jul 2013 #72

Those that came before us vdogg Jul 2013 #78

"Also stood their ground and went to jail..." MrMickeysMom Jul 2013 #100

Not a talking point vdogg Jul 2013 #102

How do you know how "those that came before us" would feel about what has taken place? MrMickeysMom Jul 2013 #106

I'm one of those people who believes in privacy rights and also thinks Snowden committed crimes Hekate Jul 2013 #73

This x2. Your post encapsulates the issue related to Skidmore Jul 2013 #79

Pretty much covers my opinion as well. MH1 Jul 2013 #97

Of course they can, I do, Progressive dog Jul 2013 #103

+1 flamingdem Jul 2013 #105

I think some minds can be changed once Snowden is in custody. randome Jul 2013 #3

Apparently, some think that he should get a pass for handing information to China and Russia. CakeGrrl Jul 2013 #5

Well, Obama should be putting the Bush criminals on trial! Liberal Veteran Jul 2013 #6

We would all like to see that happen. randome Jul 2013 #9

Bush: Fraud against the American people. Cheney: Torture and HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #19

Those are vague labels. Ones I agree with completely. randome Jul 2013 #25

On the contrary, both fraud and torture are specific statutes chargeable in the HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #29

they never will tell us what the statutes are treestar Jul 2013 #56

I know. It's sometimes hard to get my mind around a response to that. randome Jul 2013 #75

In A Just World... KharmaTrain Jul 2013 #86

How about War Crimes and Crimes Against Humanity. RC Jul 2013 #28

Nice concept, but...what has that to do with Snowden's data theft and handoff to foreign countries? CakeGrrl Jul 2013 #12

Not a thing. It was just another of the stock deflection strategies. Liberal Veteran Jul 2013 #14

No prob. Kind of crazy that it's getting hard to tell CakeGrrl Jul 2013 #15

Snowden said he "saw things!" He said stuff! randome Jul 2013 #7

At this point Snowden would serve his supporters by returning to the USA and fighting it bluestate10 Jul 2013 #8

Logically, yes. But paranoia prevails here now. CakeGrrl Jul 2013 #13

Snowden is the kind of coward you could only hope to be - nt HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #21

+1 countmyvote4real Jul 2013 #50

And be treated like Bradly Manning? RC Jul 2013 #32

Manning is military. Snowden is not subject to the UCMJ. nt stevenleser Jul 2013 #40

And you point is? RC Jul 2013 #41

If you dont understand the difference between the Military and Civilian Justice systems you have a stevenleser Jul 2013 #47

Oh, I understand the difference all right. Do you? RC Jul 2013 #85

I'm former Air Force. I understand the difference quite well. You apparently don't. nt stevenleser Jul 2013 #87

I am former Navy. So what? RC Jul 2013 #89

Unlike you apparently, I did not sleep through the briefings on military justice. nt stevenleser Jul 2013 #90

That is all you got from my post #85? RC Jul 2013 #91

Amazing how many times that has to be pointed out treestar Jul 2013 #52

Just because a driver thinks it is ok to drive 100 mph and the speed limit is 60 does not mean the Thinkingabout Jul 2013 #10

Should it ever be a crime to report wrong doing? usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #20

In the case of Snowden, employees of NSA are exempt from protection of the Whistleblower Act Thinkingabout Jul 2013 #26

Actually, he was employed by a private contractor usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #33

Again I ask if you would be okay if a communications company released your phone call records to Thinkingabout Jul 2013 #34

Bad analogy as he did nothing like that but how would you feel if your business partner released ALL usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #62

Now you are getting the picture, exactly what Snowden has done, and was not released to the Thinkingabout Jul 2013 #81

your going in circles usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #83

Like a dog chasing its tail, you finally caught yours. enjoy reality. Thinkingabout Jul 2013 #84

Didn't this guy take an oath? brush Jul 2013 #42

Yes, and so did our leaders, to protect and defend our rights and liberties. So is it a crime usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #65

Sounds more like a spy to me brush Jul 2013 #67

Because he released TOP SECRET docs to the press - Whistleblower usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #68

Should've stayed and "owned" what he did. nt brush Jul 2013 #96

You left out the part about Snowden STEALING the classified goverment documents and equipment. Tx4obama Jul 2013 #43

that is a conclusion you jumped to treestar Jul 2013 #54

As long as some are reaching for metaphors to justify an absolute or ambiguous position� countmyvote4real Jul 2013 #61

I disagree, not everyone has made up their minds usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #16

On this I agree. CakeGrrl Jul 2013 #22

Ignoring is a feature here usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #30

Ignoring those that disagree is a path that the weak willed take. Anyone that has real bluestate10 Jul 2013 #53

Good post. And I do not believe DU'ers thoughts are as binary OP makes them out to be emulatorloo Jul 2013 #55

Four words: "Tip of the iceberg" - nt HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #23

1 number and 3 words: indicted within 24 hours Renew Deal Jul 2013 #31

Excellent point usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #37

I'm still on the fence and see both sides of the debate. JaneyVee Jul 2013 #24

I disagree Renew Deal Jul 2013 #27

I am on the fence nevergiveup Jul 2013 #36

Never try to teach a pig to sing Lil Missy Jul 2013 #38

I haven't made my mind up Hydra Jul 2013 #39

Don't think Einstein helped build the bomb brush Jul 2013 #44

No, but he encouraged Roosevelt Union Scribe Jul 2013 #46

I did a little digging Hydra Jul 2013 #48

If he hadn't done what he did vdogg Jul 2013 #80

Hard to say Hydra Jul 2013 #99

People who think as rigidly as you do, perhaps . . . MrModerate Jul 2013 #45

I disagree with 4 Hydra Jul 2013 #49

#4 really reminds me of the rationales successive administrations deployed to justify HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #69

I think there would be a lot less Snowden haters here if McCain/Palin were in office. nt Incitatus Jul 2013 #60

Wait, wait, I changed my mind! flamingdem Jul 2013 #63

It would be difficult to care significantly less about Snowden Savannahmann Jul 2013 #66

You are what you are - Very True YeahSureRight Jul 2013 #77

Certain "people" aren't paid to be persuadable. backscatter712 Jul 2013 #82

And some of us get it, not about Snowden nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #94

It's hardly that simple. MineralMan Jul 2013 #95