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jsmirman

(4,507 posts)
36. Gluttony
Thu Feb 16, 2012, 01:11 AM
Feb 2012

I'd like to at a minimum speak against. And I say that as one who was a glutton.

But back to that in a second.

I have, indeed, heard about this cultured meat stuff, as animal advocacy issues occupy a very large part of my days/consciousness. I still care about other important stuff like, you know, people, but this is a fight I intend to be a soldier in one way or another. There will be arguments back and forth about cultured meat, and people are certainly going to see this all going down the path that takes us to Firefly (the show) where "real food" doesn't exist any longer. For me, I think, sure, it's worth exploring. Removing the damage to our environment is very important to me. There's some places out west, I think, as well, that are experimenting with shrimp farms that are not ecologically harmful. Many animal advocates would disagree with me on this - and I may very well come to think I'm wrong, but honestly, so long as there's no prolonging of the moment of death or the like, I could handle regularly eating shrimp raised in this fashion. I may not have thought that position out well enough, but that's my gut reaction to ecologically-sound shrimp farming. The current shrimp industry, though, from what I understand, is an ecological menace...

I know that personally, I just reached a point where I could no longer participate in a food economy where torture of the animals was the norm and where unsafe conditions and environmental roulette were part of the industry doing business. It's been more than three years now since I stopped.

Back to gluttony, I know people "enjoy" eating meat, and you and I both have our thoughts on that, and I think people should only eat meat if they go to the actual farm where it is being raised and decide that they are comfortable with what is happening (and I'm not suggesting that this is in any way impossible, particularly with *real* local farms - but I think most meat eaters couldn't spend a day inside a factory farm and continue as they were). I'm obviously not in charge, so that's just my opinion, but it doesn't seem that unreasonable (to me).

But gluttony is wrong. In my meat-eating days I used to think it was some kind of feat to eat football player-sized men under the table - I could similarly drink beer prodigiously way back when. That's a hard memory to deal with. It wasn't funny. It was wrong. Unless people move over to veganism, it's obviously about where you draw the line. Is it at baby calves separated from their mothers and jammed into veal crates for some number of months before slaughter? Is it a chicken living in a space smaller than half of an 8 1/2 x 11 piece of paper for all of its life, or is it horrifying mechanical beak removal? I know no one is going to be berated into going vegan, but I damn sure will raise a ruckus about the evil ag giants industrializing suffering and perverting the word "farm." That's hardcore corporate fuckery, and when you add in the games they play with their consumers' health, and their shitty labor practices, it should be a pretty DU-friendly topic, imo.

But gluttony? Gluttony, no. If you spend even a moment thinking about what your food was, where it came from, what that bite at the end of your fork not only represents, but what it is, I just don't see how you could continue to give gluttony a pass. I'm definitely among those who see eating less meat as healthy and a step toward being more humane; I'm pretty certain that gorging one's self indiscriminately on chickens, pigs, cows, etc. is a step in the wrong direction.

Oh, and thanks for the links - the second one is directly relevant to a conversation I had with a friend the other night, and I'm going to forward him your link.

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Sit and deliver Blue Owl Feb 2012 #1
well, yesphan Feb 2012 #2
To use a quote from Hank Hill: "I don't know whether to laugh or vomit." Initech Feb 2012 #3
Ive seen that place on one of those food shows quinnox Feb 2012 #4
I remember... physioex Feb 2012 #11
I'm sorry but I'm laughing Richardo Feb 2012 #5
I bet they wanted to stuff and mount him on their wall. WingDinger Feb 2012 #6
Well, at least the restaurant lived up to its name. n/t RebelOne Feb 2012 #7
And Americans wonder why the rest of the world thinks we're idiots... Champion Jack Feb 2012 #8
I always figured it was for the same reason whistler162 Feb 2012 #41
Did they comp his meal? Ikonoklast Feb 2012 #9
Ironically... physioex Feb 2012 #13
If this doesn't prove Darwin nothing will....EOM physioex Feb 2012 #10
Truth in advertising. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2012 #12
"In a story almost too bizarre to be true" EOTE Feb 2012 #14
Who could have foreseen this, really? Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2012 #15
"Nurse" Bridgett felt horrible? Why? gratuitous Feb 2012 #16
Amazingly, millions of Americans eat deep fried bar food regularly and manage not to die. dmallind Feb 2012 #17
Of course, because what you eat has nothing at all to do with your health. Liquorice Feb 2012 #25
You are joking right? EOM physioex Feb 2012 #28
I think you know zip about heart disease and nutrition. kwassa Feb 2012 #32
yes but one can eat a greasy burger every now and again if they eat properly most of the time,right? dionysus Feb 2012 #38
U-S-A! U-S-A! Arugula Latte Feb 2012 #18
I'm going to Vegas the beginning of April ... meegbear Feb 2012 #19
I hope they add CPR posters and portable defibrillators to the decor Motown_Johnny Feb 2012 #20
Believe they already do, actually. Ikonoklast Feb 2012 #21
So did he get a triple bypass? LiberalEsto Feb 2012 #22
Yes....with fries! WinkyDink Feb 2012 #46
Sorry. Fox people don't feel for people. Gold Metal Flake Feb 2012 #23
He's going to sue before he's discharged from the hospital. no_hypocrisy Feb 2012 #24
I wonder why some people find the theme of this Liquorice Feb 2012 #26
Actually, insulin shot cake is kind of funny. So would a Cancer Special that involved barbequed Evoman Feb 2012 #33
Or the torture burger stacked on a torture burger slathered in excess jsmirman Feb 2012 #34
I'm a vegan, so I know where you're coming from. The abuse Liquorice Feb 2012 #35
Gluttony jsmirman Feb 2012 #36
Hah!! Talk about GMO! nt Lucky Luciano Feb 2012 #51
Because STUPID IS as STUPID DOES. And that is funny! WinkyDink Feb 2012 #44
He can't sue for false advertising. LisaL Feb 2012 #27
People die exercising everyday too. former9thward Feb 2012 #29
Yes, just because he had a heart attack while eating a triple bypass burger Liquorice Feb 2012 #30
You don't think there is irony when someone dies exercising? former9thward Feb 2012 #31
Heart attacks are usually caused by coronary artery disease. Liquorice Feb 2012 #39
They want to be proud of their shitty eating habits alcibiades_mystery Feb 2012 #40
I would love to see your eating habits and other lifestyle choices. former9thward Feb 2012 #43
You just made a completely unsubstantiated claim. kwassa Feb 2012 #49
Unsubstaniated? former9thward Feb 2012 #50
You never asked the question. If you want an answer, ask the question. kwassa Feb 2012 #52
I want the truth not "an answer". former9thward Feb 2012 #53
Um, yeah. Except no. He didn't eat the burger and get hit by a car. He gorged and stressed his HEART WinkyDink Feb 2012 #45
Um no. former9thward Feb 2012 #47
Um, a high-fat meal quadruples your risk of a heart attack in the two hours after eating it. Liquorice Feb 2012 #55
Your first link said nothing about people with heart disease. former9thward Feb 2012 #56
I wonder if they'll let him become the grill's official spokesman. Crunchy Frog Feb 2012 #37
They got the wrong nurse. They shoulda hired... pinboy3niner Feb 2012 #42
Not sure if they are related Nikia Feb 2012 #48
Trust me, you don't want to know... zappaman Feb 2012 #54
Word to the wise: Never order the Explosive Enchilada when you're there. Arugula Latte Feb 2012 #57
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