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161. That you dont see the irony of dismissing legit concerns with Germany is good with spying on everyon

Thu Jul 4, 2013, 04:11 AM

Jul 2013

It is certainly telling of the present mindset that today's totalitarians possess, openly and unashamedly... and a sad lack of awareness, and sensitivity of recent history, that is downright alarming, considering the implications, to say the least!

Your censorship, by omission, yep, that's exactly what you are doing to present a false narrative, by leaving out the actual German people, and just using the elite, to ignore or coverup, is downright deceitful, too, since Germany, which refers to a whole country, not just their elite, isn't represented in your post, and therefore incredibly misleading.

Now maybe your intentions were not that, but again, that's how it comes off when you only take into account what the establishment thinks, and from what I've been reading, doesn't seem to be quite accurate either.

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That you dont see the irony of dismissing legit concerns with Germany is good with spying on everyon usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #161

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