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Gore1FL

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15. Here is the full letter
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 08:38 AM
Jul 2013


Poplar Forest near Lynchburg, Nov. 12, 16
Dear Sir,

—I received your favor of Oct. 16, at this place, where I pass much of my time, very distant from Monticello. I am quite astonished at the idea which seems to have got abroad; that I propose publishing something on the subject of religion, and this is said to have arisen from a letter of mine to my friend Charles Thompson, in which certainly there is no trace of such an idea. When we see religion split into so many thousand of sects, and I may say Christianity itself divided into it’s thousands also, who are disputing, anathematizing and where the laws permit burning and torturing one another for abstractions which no one of them understand, and which are indeed beyond the comprehension of the human mind, into which of the chambers of this Bedlam would a [torn] man wish to thrust himself. The sum of all religion as expressed by it’s best preacher, “fear god and love thy neighbor” contains no mystery, needs no explanation. But this wont do. It gives no scope to make dupes; priests could not live by it. Your idea of the moral obligations of governments are perfectly correct. The man who is dishonest as a statesman would be a dishonest man in any station. It is strangely absurd to suppose that a million of human beings collected together are not under the same moral laws which bind each of them separately. It is a great consolation to me that our government, as it cherishes most it’s duties to its own citizens, so is it the most exact in it’s moral conduct towards other nations. I do not believe that in the four administrations which have taken place, there has been a single instance of departure from good faith towards other nations. We may sometimes have mistaken our rights, or made an erroneous estimate of the actions of others, but no voluntary wrong can be imputed to us. In this respect England exhibits the most remarkable phaenomenon in the universe in the contrast between the profligacy of it’s government and the probity of it’s citizens. And accordingly it is now exhibiting an example of the truth of the maxim that virtue & interest are inseparable. It ends, as might have been expected, in the ruin of it’s people, but this ruin will fall heaviest, as it ought to fall on that hereditary aristocracy which has for generations been preparing the catastrophe. I hope we shall take warning from the example and crush in it’s birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength and bid defiance to the laws of our country. Present me respectfully to Mrs. Logan and accept yourself my friendly and respectful salutations.


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Thomas Jefferson- "All men are created equal" but not women, and not any minority. Not 82% of dem. graham4anything Jul 2013 #1
I don't understand what your point is. reusrename Jul 2013 #21
This message was self-deleted by its author Sherman A1 Jul 2013 #2
Wouldn't it be great if he really said that? Democracyinkind Jul 2013 #4
This message was self-deleted by its author Sherman A1 Jul 2013 #5
It must have been updated since I last looked. Democracyinkind Jul 2013 #6
big red button with FALSE next to it on above link Progressive dog Jul 2013 #23
Prescient. Piles'o'cash have been a corruptive influence for many a government. geckosfeet Jul 2013 #3
"This exact quotation has not been found in the writings of Thomas Jefferson . . . " OldRedneck Jul 2013 #7
The actual Jefferson quote (Thanks OldRedNeck) intaglio Jul 2013 #8
True it is not a 100% direct quote but that is also true of many historical quotes YeahSureRight Jul 2013 #9
"generate a discussion on the moneyed interests in our government" BumRushDaShow Jul 2013 #10
What was he doing nineteen50 Jul 2013 #11
Jefferson took full advantage of his status BumRushDaShow Jul 2013 #13
Yet racism and slavery are still a hugh problem nineteen50 Jul 2013 #14
Correct BumRushDaShow Jul 2013 #19
Those biases of hierarchy are taught but so is thought policing. nineteen50 Jul 2013 #20
From an evolutionary perspective BumRushDaShow Jul 2013 #22
Exactly. Like someone today investing and supporting Foxconn. raouldukelives Jul 2013 #18
The exact same place only past that, when corporations became people. DhhD Jul 2013 #12
Here is the full letter Gore1FL Jul 2013 #15
Human Nature Never Seems to Change mckara Jul 2013 #16
... Earliest known appearance in print: 1994 ... struggle4progress Jul 2013 #17
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