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ProSense

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22. No one

Thu Jul 4, 2013, 11:01 AM

Jul 2013

wants to have a rational discussion.

It's all hyperbole and personal attacks.

I mean, what is the point of demanding the President abandon his entire cabinet? That's beyond futile.

The entire Snowden incident has become an international tug of war by design. Snowden left the country intentionally to shift the focus. The goal was never really a debate about the NSA. It was to try embarrass the U.S. internationally.

Without the international aspect, a reasonable debate would likely have happened.

Domestically since 2010, other than a blame game about why Republicans won, there are those who refuse to focus on the RW. Everything wrong in their frame is Obama's doing. The focus is so intense that they spend their energies even trying to destroy any credit for positive things the President does. It's all about destroying his character and framing him as a failure, and they are very loud about it.

The President just won re-election in a landslide, but he will still continue to be criticized. That is to be expected. What's bizarre is the focus on tearing him down when the next elections are again about preventing RW gains and reversing the attacks on minorities, the poor and women.

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I don't get it [View all] malaise Jul 2013 OP

It's what the clowns that should be shortened want. hobbit709 Jul 2013 #1

Bingo malaise Jul 2013 #62

I don't know what happened re: Pres of Bolivia MH1 Jul 2013 #2

You are correct malaise Jul 2013 #64

I think that most DUers can multi-think. ananda Jul 2013 #3

United We Stand, Divided We Fall. Nictuku Jul 2013 #4

It's all about 2014 Andy823 Jul 2013 #5

And yet the right wingers support the surveillance state. zeemike Jul 2013 #14

Yes they do support it Andy823 Jul 2013 #80

What will make them stay home is no one to vote for. zeemike Jul 2013 #85

And if it turns out to be Ms. Clinton vs. Gov. Christie, a lot of people will stay home. nm rhett o rick Jul 2013 #88

Gratefully, DU represents NOTHING and NO ONE but the people here Buzz Clik Jul 2013 #6

My snarky response to post #6 above 90-percent Jul 2013 #8

"By the way, does Dick Armey pay you by the word or letter to post such observations at DU?" Buzz Clik Jul 2013 #10

Is that why you're here posting every day? burnodo Jul 2013 #19

Another inspired post. Buzz Clik Jul 2013 #20

More evasion and nonsense burnodo Jul 2013 #21

Evasion? Your post had NOTHING to do with mine. Buzz Clik Jul 2013 #23

You contradict yourself with every post burnodo Jul 2013 #24

Ok. So I'll answer your question, and then you must answer a question from me. Buzz Clik Jul 2013 #27

I'm sorry, what was the question? burnodo Jul 2013 #33

You are a cliche. Buzz Clik Jul 2013 #36

Another evasion burnodo Jul 2013 #37

Now insults? How low are you going to go? Buzz Clik Jul 2013 #38

You insult people every time you post. burnodo Jul 2013 #41

This has been truly inspirational. Buzz Clik Jul 2013 #43

I get the last word? Somehow I doubt that burnodo Jul 2013 #45

This message was self-deleted by its author Buzz Clik Jul 2013 #51

HAHAHAHAHAHA! burnodo Jul 2013 #52

Extreme left is said to be radical. Extreme right is said to be reactionary DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2013 #47

Have you not been entertained by the FDR-worshipping DUers? Buzz Clik Jul 2013 #49

^^^^^^This. ^^^^^^^ Jamaal510 Jul 2013 #96

I agree Freddie Jul 2013 #7

Being a male madokie Jul 2013 #12

ok heaven05 Jul 2013 #16

Yup its no rhyme, no reason madokie Jul 2013 #17

Why is it so important for some to have to believe madokie Jul 2013 #46

Oh heaven05 Jul 2013 #72

Sounds like a healthy outlook madokie Jul 2013 #79

R v W stems from the 4th. If they can rationalize blanket surveillance what protects RvW? dkf Jul 2013 #81

Smoke and mirrors madokie Jul 2013 #9

I agree with your wake up call, malaise! sheshe2 Jul 2013 #11

I hope so malaise Jul 2013 #65

I feel it malaise, sheshe2 Jul 2013 #95

I heartily agree with your thoughtful assessment. Skidmore Jul 2013 #90

The NSA arguments here on DU would never have happened in 2006 Fumesucker Jul 2013 #13

It's because it's "our" side that's doing. alarimer Jul 2013 #25

And you think you have some kind of higher moral ground, is that it? randome Jul 2013 #30

I was being generous and assuming that no thinking person would post something that stupid Fumesucker Jul 2013 #39

It was a poor jest. And I couldn't care less about 2006. This is 2013. randome Jul 2013 #42

The fact is that the argument about government spying is because of who holds the executive Fumesucker Jul 2013 #44

No, it was not. Neither are the posts celebrating 'authoritarian angst'... randome Jul 2013 #48

Actually, if anything... sibelian Jul 2013 #63

It would be interesting if the admins could give us monthly numbers. randome Jul 2013 #66

Dont wrestle a pig in mud. Just sayin. nm rhett o rick Jul 2013 #92

yep heaven05 Jul 2013 #15

I will ask you this nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #18

Some folks are not paying attention malaise Jul 2013 #58

No one ProSense Jul 2013 #22

2014 is the focus malaise Jul 2013 #26

The media's focusing on Snowden is a diversionary tactic and you are falling for it. alarimer Jul 2013 #28

Oh please, ProSense Jul 2013 #31

I thought everyone already knew the government was spying on us. Blanks Jul 2013 #97

Amen nradisic Jul 2013 #29

k&r... spanone Jul 2013 #32

Hi there malaise Jul 2013 #57

hey malaise.... spanone Jul 2013 #59

I can walk AND chew gum at the same time. 99Forever Jul 2013 #34

Islam and Abortion - When abortion is permissible PADemD Jul 2013 #35

Exactly what international law are you referring to? Motown_Johnny Jul 2013 #40

We have plenty 'amateur' prosecutor, 'amateur' judge & 'amateur' jury. Amonester Jul 2013 #50

We're awake, thank you very much. progressoid Jul 2013 #53

That's because you think critically & put principle over politics. Silly. DirkGently Jul 2013 #54

I agree with this 100%. Every word. morningfog Jul 2013 #55

K&R Kurovski Jul 2013 #56

Hi there CL malaise Jul 2013 #61

Happy Fort! Kurovski Jul 2013 #67

LOL malaise Jul 2013 #68

You can make one with cushions, or barring that... Kurovski Jul 2013 #70

Getting up off the floor malaise Jul 2013 #71

You Kurovski Jul 2013 #75

Wel I won't blow up the BBQ with those malaise Jul 2013 #77

you're a THINKING Obama supporter Skittles Jul 2013 #60

You make me swoon! Kurovski Jul 2013 #76

YOU WANT I SHOULD KICK YOUR SWOONING ASS, KUROVSKI??? Skittles Jul 2013 #78

Of course! Kurovski Jul 2013 #91

Sharia don't like it!!! Major Hogwash Jul 2013 #69

Agree with all of it. It's been my point exactly. freshwest Jul 2013 #73

amen n/t RainDog Jul 2013 #74

I've not read anything yet by anyone I consider to be even remotely credible that suggests that Number23 Jul 2013 #82

There is only one sane party felix_numinous Jul 2013 #83

The Democratic Party has always been a big tent party malaise Jul 2013 #84

Yes felix_numinous Jul 2013 #86

In a few historical moments it will be very cool to be liberal again malaise Jul 2013 #87

That is music felix_numinous Jul 2013 #89

I wish I could share your optimism Art_from_Ark Jul 2013 #94

...the voice of reason... Blue_Roses Jul 2013 #93