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13. Which one is the face-saving? I could see an argument for either

Thu Jul 4, 2013, 10:55 AM

Jul 2013

Option 1: "Shit. We said we didn't deny them clearance, but we did. Go apologize."

Option 2: "Shit. People are going to keep freaking out unless we apologize. Go apologize even though we stick by our denial."

(The actual apology is pretty weasley in the sense of not actually admitting to blocking the plane.)

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Why has France both apologized for blocking Morales and denied that they blocked Morales? [View all] Recursion Jul 2013 OP

Which comment came last? morningfog Jul 2013 #1

The datelines don't tell me; both happened yesterday (nt) Recursion Jul 2013 #8

You might note that the denial was anonymous and the apology came from the French Foreign Minister PoliticAverse Jul 2013 #2

So, a civil servant vs. a career politician? Recursion Jul 2013 #4

It's pretty clear from your many posts on this issue what you want to believe. n/t PoliticAverse Jul 2013 #16

bwahahaha. anonymous civil servant vs highest ranking foreign officer. cali Jul 2013 #26

but, lets not 'pre-judge' before all the truthy facts are in! usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #5

They were told to? cherokeeprogressive Jul 2013 #3

I've seen both of the stories and I'm fairly sure the denial was first and anonymous Fumesucker Jul 2013 #6

But even the apology says "Morales can fly over France any time" Recursion Jul 2013 #9

Actual quotes from the French foreign minister seem rather sparse in that story you linked to Fumesucker Jul 2013 #11

'can' is the present tense muriel_volestrangler Jul 2013 #21

You, and France, are far too clever for us to understand n/t leftstreet Jul 2013 #7

Face-saving on the part of France? burnodo Jul 2013 #10

Which one is the face-saving? I could see an argument for either Recursion Jul 2013 #13

Puzzliing? People who do shitty things tend to deny having done them kenny blankenship Jul 2013 #12

Actually, France apologized and two anonymous sources denied cthulu2016 Jul 2013 #14

"There was, naturally, never any intention to block the access to our air space to the plane... Recursion Jul 2013 #15

You're a bright person and have probably read diplomatic language before cthulu2016 Jul 2013 #20

And that's about their *intention* muriel_volestrangler Jul 2013 #22

One story uses the vague "officials" HappyMe Jul 2013 #17

The authoritarians are test-driving new bullshit! backscatter712 Jul 2013 #18

Got a substantive response? Funny how short those are lately... Recursion Jul 2013 #19

Oh for crying out loud... ljm2002 Jul 2013 #23

So why would Bolivia make up a mechanical problem? (nt) Recursion Jul 2013 #24

Oh, let's see here... ljm2002 Jul 2013 #28

They were already over Austria. Bolivia has been caught in a lie about Portugal and Spain, at least Recursion Jul 2013 #30

You don't have to take their word at face value... ljm2002 Jul 2013 #32

Bolivia has not been caught in a lie muriel_volestrangler Jul 2013 #33

To avoid blabbing the truth about the matter over an open radio channel? Fumesucker Jul 2013 #29

that's easy. the denial came first then the apology. cali Jul 2013 #25

OK. So we know Bolivia lied about Portugal and Spain, and it seems France may have lied Recursion Jul 2013 #31

U R 2 Funny usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #34

this thread should've been closed as 'answered' long ago! frylock Jul 2013 #35

Ah, ze Fraynch. Très mystérieux! WinkyDink Jul 2013 #27