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In reply to the discussion: Must read- Instead of being disgusted by poverty, we are disgusted by poor people themselves [View all]geckosfeet
(9,644 posts)6. Hmmph. At some point the poor will help themselves - just not in the way we expect.
At some point, when the economic divide is at an even greater level of obscenity, the poor will take what they need because they will have nothing to lose.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/feb/16/suzanne-moore-disgusted-by-poor
Three years ago I was on a panel with Vince Cable at The Convention of Modern Liberty, when Cable was still reckoned a seer for predicting the recession. He said then that the financial crisis would mean civil liberties would be trampled on. But what stuck in my mind was a sentence he mumbled about the pre-conditions for fascism arising. Scaremongering? The emotional pre-condition is absolutely this punitive attitude to the weak and poor.
Our disgust at the poor is tempered only by our sentimentality about children. They are innocent. We feel charitable. Not enough, perhaps, as a Save the Children report tells us that one in four children in developing countries are too malnourished to grow properly. Still, malnourishment isn't starvation, just as anyone who has a mobile phone isn't properly hard-up. Difficult to stomach maybe, but isn't all this the fault of the countries they live in?
At what point, though, can we no longer avoid the poor, our own and the global poor? Or, indeed, avoid the concept that frightens the left as much as the right: redistribution, of wealth, resources, labour, working hours. Whither the left? Busy pretending that there is a way round this, a lot of the time.
The idea that ultimately the poor must help themselves as social mobility grinds to a halt is illogical; it is based on a faith for which there is scant evidence. Yet it is the one thing that has genuinely "trickled down" from the wealthy, so that many people without much themselves continue to despise those who are on a lower rung.
Eventually, the poor will learn to despise those who have despised them. Eventually they will determine a way to level the field.
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Must read- Instead of being disgusted by poverty, we are disgusted by poor people themselves [View all]
malaise
Feb 2012
OP
"The idea that ultimately the poor must help themselves as social mobility grinds to a halt" MADNESS
stockholmer
Feb 2012
#1
Money is not a "resource," but a convention--i.e., a set of agreed upon expectations.
tblue37
Feb 2012
#49
To the contrary...we are seeing a huge movement in the advance of the poor of the world in China
dkf
Feb 2012
#4
The number of people China has moved out of poverty equals the entire population of the US.
dkf
Feb 2012
#7
I do think that Government has a role to play in creating a field that is conducive to hiring.
dkf
Feb 2012
#12
the poster you're replying to = yet another free trader who finds that NOBODY agrees with him.
Zalatix
Feb 2012
#62
Right. As if all the farmer peasants in China suddenly got a bacehlors degree in engineering
geckosfeet
Feb 2012
#10
The people in China are slaves. So much so the Foxcon site had to put up nets to stop the suicides
LiberalLoner
Feb 2012
#28
If "made in the usa" isn't a viable option for apple, "sold in the usa" shouldn't either. n/t
lumberjack_jeff
Feb 2012
#39
If "made in the usa" isn't a viable option for apple, "sold in the usa" shouldn't either. REPEAT!!!
Zalatix
Feb 2012
#42
Gresham's dynamic, not lazy poor people in the US is responsible for the outsourcing of jobs.
PA Democrat
Feb 2012
#26
Stop pitting the poor in China against the middle class here --it's not a zero sum game
CreekDog
Feb 2012
#38
You deny that our jobs are moving to India and China? Or that it's impoverishing our people?
Zalatix
Feb 2012
#44
So exactly what kind of education should my severely disabled daughter who is a victim of water
jwirr
Feb 2012
#46
Hmmph. At some point the poor will help themselves - just not in the way we expect.
geckosfeet
Feb 2012
#6
I do not pretend to know the mindset of the poor. And clearly you have not a clue either.
geckosfeet
Feb 2012
#11
Exactly what those who have little themselves but are not yet on the lowest rung
SammyWinstonJack
Feb 2012
#23
Demonization (of the poor, public employees, union members, liberals, gays, etc.) a key RW tactic.
pampango
Feb 2012
#14
Neither of those disgust me. I am disgusted by bad behavior, no matter who does it, or how much...
slackmaster
Feb 2012
#27
Just keep your sudopod off my chitinous exoskeleton and we'll get along fine
slackmaster
Feb 2012
#32
Of course we are back in the Calvanist era where the poor are sinners being punished for their sins.
jwirr
Feb 2012
#45