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Drew Richards

(1,558 posts)
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 07:53 PM Jul 2013

Time line of events from what we have been told in the news so far...Evo Morales my interpretation [View all]

Evo made an off record comment that Snowden was welcome in his Country...

His pilot...ALL pilots must submit a flight plan prior to take off...

They had a scheduled stop in portugal to refuel before crossing the Atlantic...Standard procedure before cross atlantic flights...get refueled nearest the coast in a direct flight path to destination.

Mid-flight when they got to French/Italian air space they were DENIED passage and flew in circles burning fuel...

They were then additionally, notified that Portugal would NOT let them land to refuel at their scheduled stop...if you bother looking at a map you will see why that was their refueling stop duh...

So here we are flying in circles and being denied right of way or landing rights at their designated stop for a bullshit reason or no explainable reason...now they are being told to readjust their flight plan and land where they are directed to in another Country!...they refused...back to flying circles demanding right of way across French, Italian air space...

As a good pilot would and knows, he does not have enough fuel for the trans atlantic flight so he declares a non emergency equipment failure to try to get a landing permit to access a fueling stop in Spain or Portugal...he is STILL denied access to French Italian, Spanish airspace and landing rights in Portugal...and is directed....DIRECTED to land in Austria...once on the ground he is refueled but DENIED clearance to take off again for 13 hours because the Austrian authorities and the Italian attache want to inspect the plane...Evo Morales REFUSES they drag on until the Bolivian minister threatens to go public to a French attache who after these 13 hours captive on the grounds of Austria gets confirmation AND an apology from the French president that he didn't "AUTHORIZE" his flight through french airspace earlier...

By the way for those directionally impaired Austria would be out of the way and the least desirable flight path for refueling out of a nominal trans-atlantic stop in Portugal or Spain to Bolivia...they would not bother refiling in France or Italy that is still too far a distance for a reliable or "comfortable" RESERVE fuel load when crossing the Atlantic Ocean to Bolivia....

So let me ask a dumb question to all you posers defending this shit...

Since when the fuck does the French President have to "authorize" flights through French national air space?? NEVER unless it was DENIED in the first place...

Since when does the Italian Minister have to bother with a denial denial if there was not truth in denying access to Italian air space...

Why is Spain not providing ANY response...just a flat denial that they refused air rights...

Who the fuck exactly refused landing at the designated Portuguese stop and what was the justification for informing them hours into a flight that they would be denied landing rights but...hey if you want to try it you can fly through our air space...lol...what bullshit.

So what we have is a collusion of the stinky "foot" states in the Atlantic BLOCKING a diplomatic plane from completing its registered flight path with no explanation and NO legal Justification...again...A DIPLOMATIC FLIGHT...and they requested to inspect the plane? screw all you defenders...this breaks about 7 International laws and treaties on dealing with diplomatic attaches and property...

There is also an additional report that a US diplomat allegedly demanded that the plane be searched while on the ground in Austria if so...that son of a bitch should be taken to the Hague and lets find out where his orders came from...

This stinks to high heaven and I never expected such disregard of INTERNATIONAL LAW from this administration or ANY administration from the US...I guess this country really is fucked...

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Yep. Lots of WTF?s throughout this fiasco, few sincere answers. nt Zorra Jul 2013 #1
You ask good questions, but once again, it is a diversion from the real story BlueStreak Jul 2013 #73
We've learned that Congress & the Presidency are just icons to maintain the appearance of democracy. CrispyQ Jul 2013 #83
Thanks For The Summary - The Egg On US Face Is Obvious cantbeserious Jul 2013 #2
Nice summary. Here's another piece for you. It was the US Ambassador who called Austria FM Catherina Jul 2013 #3
THANK YOU! I got so sick after reading all of the links and docs I just didn't have the energy Drew Richards Jul 2013 #6
Thanks again, Catherina. JDPriestly Jul 2013 #27
K&R for a great post. Arctic Dave Jul 2013 #4
Hey! nt ZombieHorde Jul 2013 #94
Not your zombie army, the other zombie army. Arctic Dave Jul 2013 #96
OK. But if you're not careful, we're coming for your BRAINS!!!!! nt ZombieHorde Jul 2013 #99
Can't wait to see the BS from the fixer crew. dkf Jul 2013 #5
You are wrong on most of your timeline and facts, please read this esp. Atlantic Mag. article linked flamingdem Jul 2013 #7
Why not make your argument instead of sending us to a link ohheckyeah Jul 2013 #8
Is that a rhetorical question? nm rhett o rick Jul 2013 #70
Pretty much. n/t ohheckyeah Jul 2013 #71
I have never gotten an answer. nm rhett o rick Jul 2013 #72
Me either and didn't much expect one.... ohheckyeah Jul 2013 #74
What a snotty exchange treestar Jul 2013 #89
Lol...I was waiting for your arrival. dkf Jul 2013 #9
I saw flamingdem Jul 2013 #10
Your Article Has Been Debunked cantbeserious Jul 2013 #14
Where? Link? flamingdem Jul 2013 #25
You should put that "eom" (or an "nt") into the *subject line* of the post. tblue37 Jul 2013 #69
You should add maps. :) dkf Jul 2013 #15
and such as.... HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #47
HAHAAH you are using the Atlantic as your refuting source...ok I read it and it is as true or valid Drew Richards Jul 2013 #17
You didn't read the first post about Portugal in my DU thread flamingdem Jul 2013 #24
If your story is true, why did the French apologize and change their mind? JDPriestly Jul 2013 #33
Which story do you mean? In the comments on the DU OP I posted I say flamingdem Jul 2013 #36
Here is the story. JDPriestly Jul 2013 #64
France says they did NOT refuse overflight. 7962 Jul 2013 #41
The drama queen thing will get you accused of flamingdem Jul 2013 #46
Wow, really? Jeeze, I said LIKE an old girlfriend! How could anyone think that to be homophobic? 7962 Jul 2013 #54
There is an issue here with Glenn Greenwald flamingdem Jul 2013 #56
Then why did France apologize for denying Morales airspace? HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #50
Here's one link to what I read 7962 Jul 2013 #57
France apologizes. HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #68
And being denied authorization to take off for 13 hours? Or should we just blame it on Drew Richards Jul 2013 #44
You are wrong on most everything, that is because it was midnight and they didn't flamingdem Jul 2013 #48
Still raises issues treestar Jul 2013 #90
Catherina's timeline is from the Austrian news media and from the Boivian news media. JDPriestly Jul 2013 #28
Atlantic is owned by a self described "neocon". dawg Jul 2013 #42
No wonder. JDPriestly Jul 2013 #67
Portugal denied the refuel a week ago Recursion Jul 2013 #11
Link to how you know that please. zeemike Jul 2013 #18
A statement from the Portuguese government Recursion Jul 2013 #29
Thanks Recursion flamingdem Jul 2013 #37
Except that I cant speek Portugese! Unless theres a translator and i cant find it 7962 Jul 2013 #49
Well here is the translation of the first paragraph.. zeemike Jul 2013 #45
EXACTLY. They were approved for refueling at an island near the N African coast of a Portugese okaawhatever Jul 2013 #19
They were approved for Las Palmas, Spain not a Portugese protectorate btw n/t flamingdem Jul 2013 #38
even if their first choice in portugal was refused for "technical" reasons... Drew Richards Jul 2013 #20
What seems suspect to me is how quickly people forget the crazy shit Morales has said in the past Recursion Jul 2013 #30
What crazy shit has he said? roody Jul 2013 #95
That the US killed Chavez, for one Recursion Jul 2013 #98
No, Las Palmas, Spain was approved, this hasn't been disproven flamingdem Jul 2013 #39
What languages do you read? Do you have a link to a Portuguese news source and can you translate it JDPriestly Jul 2013 #35
This thread is no good without a map pinboy3niner Jul 2013 #12
here you go try this one Drew Richards Jul 2013 #21
Yes, for the geographically illiterate. For the educated, it is not an issue. Coyotl Jul 2013 #22
Here you go Fumesucker Jul 2013 #32
Bingo! pinboy3niner Jul 2013 #34
For the 'U.S. Americans and such as' :) - nt HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #62
And there needs to be a congressional investigation zeemike Jul 2013 #13
Our congress? mindwalker_i Jul 2013 #23
Ambassador Eacho? There is only one online source for that story, zero other confirmation flamingdem Jul 2013 #40
You do know that a plane in the air can't chose where to land don't you? zeemike Jul 2013 #52
Spain said they could refuel in Las Palmas flamingdem Jul 2013 #53
So the pilot decided to land in Austria zeemike Jul 2013 #55
You're behind the 8 ball, if you want to play you need to focus on a specific thing and use links nt flamingdem Jul 2013 #59
Well I am not playing a game. zeemike Jul 2013 #65
You won't convince em. go west young man Jul 2013 #104
You are right of course. zeemike Jul 2013 #105
You Need To Stop Playing With Your Magic 8 Ball HangOnKids Jul 2013 #88
Simply untrue. Democracyinkind Jul 2013 #78
Why...is Morales on steroids? leftstreet Jul 2013 #60
International law, you say? How quaint (Cheney's word, not mine-different but similar deal). nt silvershadow Jul 2013 #16
Great post, Richards! Thanks so much! nt Peace Patriot Jul 2013 #26
Kick rusty fender Jul 2013 #31
As Joe Biden would say... "It's a big fucking deal, Mr Richards"... ReRe Jul 2013 #43
Obama has major egg on his face. HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #51
I still stunned it happened. What won't the US do if they will force down a presidential plane? morningfog Jul 2013 #58
After all this you're still pushing the forced down a plane story? flamingdem Jul 2013 #61
Denying a plane airspace to its destination, and forcing it to circle until low on fuel HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #66
Shhhh Savannahmann Jul 2013 #76
Obama is very afraid of what Snowden is still holding, to become that unhinged. HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #63
It doesn't appear to be true that president obama welcomes this conversation like he... Little Star Jul 2013 #79
Yep. He's said a lot of shit that has proven false. HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #81
+2 Civilization2 Jul 2013 #106
Excellent Savannahmann Jul 2013 #75
You're going to piss your pants when they catch Snowden. Aren't you? MjolnirTime Jul 2013 #77
Not really. HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #80
'Catch' him? Is he being pursued? n/t leftstreet Jul 2013 #86
Is that something you do often?n/t HangOnKids Jul 2013 #91
your contribution to du is sadly lacking cali Jul 2013 #93
Nope. mn9driver Jul 2013 #82
WashPost's screenshot of the flight Laughing Mirror Jul 2013 #87
Yes, that looks correct. nt. mn9driver Jul 2013 #97
They have no real case, just scraps of flim flam. sibelian Jul 2013 #84
You don't expect such disregard? caseymoz Jul 2013 #85
k&r for a clear and well done explanation of events. thanks. cali Jul 2013 #92
Thanks for this. nt ZombieHorde Jul 2013 #100
"never expected such disregard of INTERNATIONAL LAW", LOL Corruption Inc Jul 2013 #101
Well, technically, he didn't "scramble" any "jets", bvar22 Jul 2013 #102
Excellent post malaise Jul 2013 #103
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