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TorchTheWitch

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119. I think he was busy making sure he was subdued

Thu Jul 4, 2013, 10:02 PM

Jul 2013

so he could make sure he was dead so that there wouldn't be a story of what happened from Martin's side. THere's no way you shoot someone in the chest at point blank range and believe they're going to come after you and kill you. And certainly not when he had a gun. Zimmerman said himself that he re-holstered his gun before getting on top of Martin. Why wouldn't he just have stood there with his gun on him instead of holstering his gun and getting back on top of him if he still thought he was in danger from this kid? Why in the world would anyone who just shot someone in self-defense put their gun away and jump on top of them if they thought they were still so dangerous? Nope, Zimmerman got on top of him to make certain he was good and dead and not be able to tell anyone what REALLY happened. He didn't believe Martin was going to be getting back up and try to kill him with an expanding bullet going into his chest and point blank range, and if for some asinine reason he still believed to be in a life threatening position he wouldn't have holstered his gun and put himself right back to where Martin could hurt him again.

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If Zimmerman was hurt so badly, why didn't he accept help when it was offered? [View all] yardwork Jul 2013 OP

Because he's a manly masculine man. WinkyDink Jul 2013 #1

Because he is a goddam liar.. HipChick Jul 2013 #2

Because his story is a pile of bullshit. madaboutharry Jul 2013 #3

If he'd had his head slammed on the concrete sidewalk 20-30 times, why didn't the EMTs insist winter is coming Jul 2013 #4

EMT's can't force you to go anywhere, premium Jul 2013 #7

If they see someone who's concussed all to hell, it's gonna be some very strong advice. n/t winter is coming Jul 2013 #9

Exactly, and Zimmerman didn't for whatever reason, he should have, premium Jul 2013 #16

maybe he wasn't "concussed all to hell" magical thyme Jul 2013 #17

If Zimmerman had had his head slammed 20-30 times on concrete he would be unconscious yardwork Jul 2013 #13

You're right, premium Jul 2013 #19

And that has nothing whatsoever to do with my OP. yardwork Jul 2013 #21

Why he refused to go to the hospital? premium Jul 2013 #26

My OP doesn't say anything at all about the hospital or EMTs. yardwork Jul 2013 #27

You said medial assistance, I assumed you meant the hospital premium Jul 2013 #29

I am asking why Zimmerman refused his neighbor's offer to call authorities during the fight. yardwork Jul 2013 #30

Why would he, he knew the police were already on the way, premium Jul 2013 #36

I believe you said you are former LEO? Just Saying Jul 2013 #61

Thanks. premium Jul 2013 #62

I don't know the exact quotes and I don't have time at the moment to review videos. Just Saying Jul 2013 #65

Exactly. If Martin had shot and killed Zimmerman that night there would be no arguments about this. yardwork Jul 2013 #89

I believe it was in the recreation video Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #91

Ok thanks for the info. premium Jul 2013 #95

Thank you. This article summarizes many of the things Zimmerman claimed in the video. yardwork Jul 2013 #96

The fight was over and Z had already called the cops. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #112

About the only way he'd have minor damage is if a one year old was doing the "bashing." MADem Jul 2013 #128

I also wonder how and the hell could Trayvon FarPoint Jul 2013 #134

I'm pretty sure pipi_k Jul 2013 #14

Correct, no where in the U.S. premium Jul 2013 #28

I've heard of pipi_k Jul 2013 #5

Some people simply HATE going to the hospital for any reason. HolyMoley Jul 2013 #6

I'm not talking about going to the hospital. yardwork Jul 2013 #10

Z was not thinking straight or very logically. It is that simple. He wasn't thinking straight or uppityperson Jul 2013 #34

I don't buy it. yardwork Jul 2013 #37

I wrote another reply, will stick with that and I also agree with you. uppityperson Jul 2013 #42

then his entire multiple statements can be discounted TorchTheWitch Jul 2013 #117

Oh I agree and can not trust anything he says. The police were idiots, not testing him for drugs, uppityperson Jul 2013 #124

Because some people don't even want that simple of an examination HolyMoley Jul 2013 #39

A person has just had their head supposedly slammed against concrete "20 or 30 times" yardwork Jul 2013 #47

Zimmerman knew the police were on their way Boudica the Lyoness Jul 2013 #49

The witness stated that Martin was lying on the ground and Zimmerman was standing up at that point. yardwork Jul 2013 #53

I cannot find the part about Zimmerman being asked if Boudica the Lyoness Jul 2013 #129

I know those kind of men BUT Skittles Jul 2013 #24

Because he didn't think things through HolyMoley Jul 2013 #31

Actually, the evidence shows that Zimmerman calculated very carefully. yardwork Jul 2013 #32

Really? What evidence? HolyMoley Jul 2013 #41

He intended to kill somebody? premium Jul 2013 #58

Strapped his gun on in hopes "opportunity" gunners yearn for arose. Hoyt Jul 2013 #64

Not even the DA believes that, premium Jul 2013 #66

I don't know if Zimmerman was hoping to use it Just Saying Jul 2013 #69

Agreed, and we also wouldn't be having this conversation. nt. premium Jul 2013 #70

So, let's restrict toting and gun nuttery - Martin would be alive. Zim would be cowering at home, Hoyt Jul 2013 #92

I've addressed that with you already Hoyt, premium Jul 2013 #99

Whisper it to your guns, I don't care to hear more gun and Z love from you either. Hoyt Jul 2013 #102

Come on Hoyt, premium Jul 2013 #106

You know, for a long time I resisted seeing this as a gun control case, but I've changed my mind. yardwork Jul 2013 #100

With all due respect Crepuscular Jul 2013 #109

I agree, gun control is a non-starter for now davidpdx Jul 2013 #121

And some different people would be dead... Pelican Jul 2013 #135

well yes, he is dumber than a fence post Skittles Jul 2013 #35

Same here LittleBlue Jul 2013 #52

and would you have resisted treatment if you believed TorchTheWitch Jul 2013 #118

HE FUCKING SHOT A KID , HE THOUGHT IT WAS BAD ENOUGH TO KILL SOMEONE JI7 Jul 2013 #107

That's my point. yardwork Jul 2013 #113

that's why i can't stand these stupid examples JI7 Jul 2013 #115

I think the idea of self defense is to Boudica the Lyoness Jul 2013 #130

he fucking lied when he said he was slammed 30 times JI7 Jul 2013 #131

Exactly. Zim's whole story was (and is) grossly embellished. All to justify killing a kid. nomorenomore08 Jul 2013 #132

I can't find on any transcripts Boudica the Lyoness Jul 2013 #139

I hope that the prosecutors ask the jury to think about this. yardwork Jul 2013 #8

Whatever holes and inconsistencies pipi_k Jul 2013 #33

WTF??? TorchTheWitch Jul 2013 #123

When detectives had him in for questioning, they doubted the severity truedelphi Jul 2013 #11

Because he was busy making sure the dead boy Politicalboi Jul 2013 #12

Exactly. We only heard the story about self-defense much later. yardwork Jul 2013 #15

I think he was busy making sure he was subdued TorchTheWitch Jul 2013 #119

Crick_ets yardwork Jul 2013 #18

You are describing two separate incidents... Pelican Jul 2013 #20

I am not describing the EMT's involvement at all. yardwork Jul 2013 #23

Sorry, but what does this part of your OP mean? "didn't he accept the offer of medical assistance... uppityperson Jul 2013 #38

A person in fear for their life would perceive any offer of help as including medical help. yardwork Jul 2013 #45

I do not understand why, if it went down like Z said, he thought TM might still be alive. uppityperson Jul 2013 #48

I can think of one reason that is even more powerful than being on drugs. yardwork Jul 2013 #50

There is that also. SuperTrayvon the Octopus. uppityperson Jul 2013 #55

Here's what you wrote, premium Jul 2013 #44

Now that I've clarified, do you have a response? yardwork Jul 2013 #46

He asked the neighbor to HELP subdue Trayvon as that was his main concern. uppityperson Jul 2013 #51

I have no idea why he did that, I wasn't there, premium Jul 2013 #54

Ok... that actually makes less sense... Bravo... Pelican Jul 2013 #63

The severity of Zimmermans injuries are immaterial Crepuscular Jul 2013 #22

So he was in fear of his life but asked his neighbor not to call the authorities? yardwork Jul 2013 #25

Because he knew the police were on the way and he thought the octopus TM might jump up uppityperson Jul 2013 #40

He already knew that the police were on the way, premium Jul 2013 #43

it was the Asian guy with the flashlight TorchTheWitch Jul 2013 #126

That sounds to me customerserviceguy Jul 2013 #56

They got there in a scant few minutes TorchTheWitch Jul 2013 #127

I believe Crepuscular Jul 2013 #73

But if his head had been slammed "20 or 30 times against the sidewalk" wouldn't he care about that? yardwork Jul 2013 #83

I thought that his defense is Crepuscular Jul 2013 #93

Zimmerman's buddy Osterman wrote that Martin actually grabbed Z's pistol, but neither Martin's yardwork Jul 2013 #97

Osterman Crepuscular Jul 2013 #108

You make my head hurt RGR375 Jul 2013 #75

If I'd had my head slammed "20 or 30 times against the concrete" I would be begging for help. yardwork Jul 2013 #82

If Zimmerman had thrown one punch . . . madashelltoo Jul 2013 #60

According to the statute Crepuscular Jul 2013 #72

What is wrong with you? RGR375 Jul 2013 #74

"Reasonable belief" is where we part company. madashelltoo Jul 2013 #78

We'll see what the jury concludes in that regard. Crepuscular Jul 2013 #80

Nope, it's what a reasonable person thinks, not some yahoo so afraid he has to be surrounded by Guns Hoyt Jul 2013 #101

+1 nomorenomore08 Jul 2013 #133

Nope, it is not what "he" thought, it's what a reasonable person would think. Hoyt Jul 2013 #98

I believe the law is "reasonable person" riverwalker Jul 2013 #116

Unless he lied about the severity Nevernose Jul 2013 #120

The injuries are VERY material TorchTheWitch Jul 2013 #125

My guess Crepuscular Jul 2013 #138

Because he has a gun. And gunboys are tough. Kingofalldems Jul 2013 #57

Because he was NOT hurt that badly? libodem Jul 2013 #59

Zimmerman is nothing but a lying prick with a big gun catbyte Jul 2013 #67

Perhaps you could ask this person. Soundman Jul 2013 #68

Z never asked for help subduing Martin TorchTheWitch Jul 2013 #71

He yelled to John Good for help RGR375 Jul 2013 #76

Or John Good might be dead too. There was more than one bullet in Zimmerman's gun, I assume. yardwork Jul 2013 #84

I read a witness say that Zimmerman said something like "Never mind that, help me subdue this guy." yardwork Jul 2013 #87

that might have been my thread about the re-enactment TorchTheWitch Jul 2013 #103

Thank you. Yes, it was Zimmerman himself who said this, in the reenactment video. yardwork Jul 2013 #104

Y'all know we're not the jury, right? Deep13 Jul 2013 #77

Maybe he was traumatized from "unexpectedly" having to stand someone else's ground. nt silvershadow Jul 2013 #79

I agree with this point about standing someone else's ground. yardwork Jul 2013 #85

I'm not versed in Florida's stand your ground law, but that's the way I see it too. No matter what silvershadow Jul 2013 #90

i don't get this librechik Jul 2013 #81

no one saw the shooting TorchTheWitch Jul 2013 #110

thx for taking the time to answer librechik Jul 2013 #111

If it was slammed even ONCE the way he describes it Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #86

Hi there, RtL! Hope you are well! yardwork Jul 2013 #88

He most certainly would have had a big sore egg on his head TorchTheWitch Jul 2013 #114

Interesting point Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #137

That's easy demunderground1985la Jul 2013 #94

Because . . . Major Hogwash Jul 2013 #105

Question davidpdx Jul 2013 #122

Because he's Mr. Bad-Ass Defender of the Condos. AngryOldDem Jul 2013 #136