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145. The only problem is, it is the documents you will have to try to defend, Snowden is merely another

Fri Jul 5, 2013, 12:18 AM

Jul 2013

messenger in what is becoming a long line of messengers, with more likely until the problems are fixed.

I know you can't focus on what has been revealed, by so many messengers now, although I do recall what 'heroes' they were when Bush was in the WH. The very same messengers that were being cheered back then have suddenly become persona non grata. It's hilarious to watch. Someone dug up a few comments from one of the most prominent defenders of the Surveillance State from 2006! It was embarrassing, well it should have been. I know how I would feel if that kind of proof of a total flip flop on an important issue was produced. But I don't tend to flip flop on Bush policies, I hated them when he was around and I still hate them.

But the OP is correct, it is fun to watch and extremely informative.

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watching the authoritarian gatekeepers discredit themselves over this Morales incident.. [View all] frylock Jul 2013 OP

Classic. They aren't giving in either. It is priceless. morningfog Jul 2013 #1

It is amazing to see. nt Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #2

they are going to the mat on this one.. frylock Jul 2013 #5

Question is, why? Why is it so desperately important to them? n/t winter is coming Jul 2013 #122

Respect! Whisp Jul 2013 #3

+1 me tue flamingdem Jul 2013 #9

You Tue? HangOnKids Jul 2013 #11

+2 Exactly. BlueCaliDem Jul 2013 #14

boom! Enrique Jul 2013 #4

it seems like termites swarming carolinayellowdog Jul 2013 #6

I guess we find our entertainment where we can get it. Summer Hathaway Jul 2013 #7

I think it's okay if Obama ate a kitteh on the White House Lawn flamingdem Jul 2013 #10

OMG! Summer Hathaway Jul 2013 #15

ya got me think Jul 2013 #24

Yes, but IOKIYATB. :-) BlueCaliDem Jul 2013 #19

+1 we'll be rockin' this 4th 'o July flamingdem Jul 2013 #25

We sure will! BlueCaliDem Jul 2013 #29

With out a doubt madokie Jul 2013 #63

That only tells me he's working hard for We the People, rather than We the Personhoods. BlueCaliDem Jul 2013 #115

Well said BCD: He's our general in America's neo-civil war flamingdem Jul 2013 #121

Thanks, flamingdem! A wonderful 4th to you and yours, too! BlueCaliDem Jul 2013 #124

Yes I'm damn happy for that too madokie Jul 2013 #134

I LOVE your graphic! Hekate Jul 2013 #72

Thanks, Hekate! It's sad that some can't understand the graphic in reference to the subject of my BlueCaliDem Jul 2013 #114

+1 Berlum Jul 2013 #90

Picture is woth a thousand words...... ForeignandDomestic Jul 2013 #103

But I know GeeGee and Snowden won't be. They were hoping for a Prez. Ron Paul. BlueCaliDem Jul 2013 #32

James Brady worked for Reagan. Look at the Brady Bill Nanjing to Seoul Jul 2013 #34

Snowden isn't of their ilk. BlueCaliDem Jul 2013 #45

I don't know. I'm reserving judgement. I've heard so many conflicting statements about him Nanjing to Seoul Jul 2013 #51

Bradley Manning will never see the light of day again Hekate Jul 2013 #76

It is true it seems poorly planned Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #153

SUCH VENOM! Th1onein Jul 2013 #148

No. I write the truth and you only think it's VENOM. BlueCaliDem Jul 2013 #160

I started out as a Regan Republican. BillyRibs Jul 2013 #57

Absolutism is a common trait among people. Epiphanies mean nothing if you were not a true Nanjing to Seoul Jul 2013 #87

It was just last election that Snowden donated, supported, and most likely voted for Ron Paul. BlueCaliDem Jul 2013 #113

I don't Shiv a Git, About personal Opinion, BillyRibs Jul 2013 #159

uhhhhhh.... galileoreloaded Jul 2013 #100

+100. Bravo! n/t Tx4obama Jul 2013 #26

there is literally nothing Snowden could have done that would have justified our treatment of dsc Jul 2013 #35

'our treatment'? What did the USA do? Audio on the link below states pilots had fuel gauge problems Tx4obama Jul 2013 #62

Nobody is really this stupid are they? reusrename Jul 2013 #107

planes tend to run out of fuel when they are denied the ability to fly a direct route dsc Jul 2013 #117

I just did a search and only one thread came up on DU for the word: Snowdenbot / Snowdenbots Tx4obama Jul 2013 #38

I prefer the term Summer Hathaway Jul 2013 #42

Heh . . . BlueCaliDem Jul 2013 #46

good one KittyWampus Jul 2013 #119

My god, you even justify violations, gross violations mind you, nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #118

As per usual, Nadin Summer Hathaway Jul 2013 #132

walls are nice nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #133

They're into their ad hominem attack stage now, nadine. Th1onein Jul 2013 #149

I know nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #150

But we Snowden supporters are lucky that Snowden did none of those things. Th1onein Jul 2013 #138

His initial allegation Summer Hathaway Jul 2013 #140

LOL. Just because you say something over and over again doesn't make it true. Th1onein Jul 2013 #147

Have you ever made the mistake Summer Hathaway Jul 2013 #155

The only problem is, it is the documents you will have to try to defend, Snowden is merely another sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #145

This message was self-deleted by its author sheshe2 Jul 2013 #8

knr Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #12

Cognitive dissonance is a bitch. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2013 #13

Quite entertaining. My favorite: SaveOurDemocracy Jul 2013 #16

it all started with this one and has just gone off the rails since: frylock Jul 2013 #18

Yay! The Austrians grounded that damned plane! dawg Jul 2013 #22

(crickets) ConservativeDemocrat Jul 2013 #71

Didn't even get the nationality right. dawg Jul 2013 #73

So much for reality-basedness.... Democracyinkind Jul 2013 #74

Says the man who updated his post almost immediately himself... ConservativeDemocrat Jul 2013 #77

Updating a post is anti-reality now too, hu? Democracyinkind Jul 2013 #78

No, but bashing someone for needing to make a correction is. ConservativeDemocrat Jul 2013 #83

Again, your reality-basedness gets in the way.... Democracyinkind Jul 2013 #84

lol RandiFan1290 Jul 2013 #98

fuel gauge problem, eh? frylock Jul 2013 #123

Usually works for my fuel gauge problems. HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #142

If I have the energy I am going to dissect flamingdem Jul 2013 #28

i eagerly await your reply! frylock Jul 2013 #33

I agree. flamingdem Jul 2013 #36

intriguing that this story only shows up in an Austrian newspaper temmer Jul 2013 #49

You agree with someone who is mocking you? HangOnKids Jul 2013 #59

Yeah Bobbie Jo Jul 2013 #143

Good catch. ucrdem Jul 2013 #47

Please dissect Catherina's posts (if you have the energy) HangOnKids Jul 2013 #64

If you are only reading English language news, then you will not find some of the "facts" that JDPriestly Jul 2013 #67

When that OP was posted Tuesday before midnight the news WAS reporting the plane had been grounded Tx4obama Jul 2013 #31

You're all they've got left, Tx. ucrdem Jul 2013 #43

Wow, missed that one... Sick! Are we in Bizarro World? Here's where I started: SaveOurDemocracy Jul 2013 #37

My fracking lord!!! If it wasn't comical nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #120

That's the absolute Best! Comedy Central! I had to .pdf print entire thread I case anything gets idwiyo Jul 2013 #127

Well, it did come with a nice driving map of Moscow. dawg Jul 2013 #20

Another one who proudly didn't read the article! nt MADem Jul 2013 #44

Um ... that isn't a flight plan. dawg Jul 2013 #48

OK, since you claim you read the article, you tell me just what is represented there--in detail. nt MADem Jul 2013 #50

Distance between the airports where the plane took off and where Snowden supposedly is being held. dawg Jul 2013 #52

EXACTLY. MADem Jul 2013 #54

Oh yeah, who died and made you the article police anyway? dawg Jul 2013 #53

So you haven't read the article, either...? MADem Jul 2013 #56

I'm the same guy you just posted "EXACTLY" to. dawg Jul 2013 #58

Did you click the link on the flight plan in the article--or were you afraid that it might MADem Jul 2013 #66

Yes, that one is brutally hilarious. n/t PoliticAverse Jul 2013 #23

Holy crap. progressoid Jul 2013 #41

Good one! My favorite is authoritarians trying to invoke AUTHORITY woo me with science Jul 2013 #55

Sadly they will all be voting for another authoritarian in 2016. nm rhett o rick Jul 2013 #135

Presidents are supposed to work for us, Progressive dog Jul 2013 #137

Oh my God. I hadn't seen that one as poster is on my now enormous ignore list. sibelian Jul 2013 #91

K&R AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #17

Morales seems to have been as amused as you are. JDPriestly Jul 2013 #21

In the AUDIO on the link below pilot requested to land due to fuel gauge problems Tx4obama Jul 2013 #65

And according to the Austrian news, France, Italy, Portugal and Spain denied him landing rights. JDPriestly Jul 2013 #68

But... Tx4obama Jul 2013 #69

Post removed Post removed Jul 2013 #79

I don't base my comment on a news report directly, but it may be that they insisted that JDPriestly Jul 2013 #81

"They would not comment on why Bolivian officials said otherwise" sibelian Jul 2013 #92

That phrase is very common in the reports. Copying. However, you can still actual quotes. Pholus Jul 2013 #97

When I first heard about it I pictured if the USSR had done that to Air Force One.... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #27

AIR FORCE ONE doesn't have to refuel three times to get home. MADem Jul 2013 #80

IOW: Another idiot politician who doesn't know the Internet exists.... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #86

Post removed Post removed Jul 2013 #110

I keep hearing Phil Ochs when dealing with the authoritarians, especially Nanjing to Seoul Jul 2013 #30

oof.... sibelian Jul 2013 #106

Phil Ochs already did. . .but if Jello can do it, so can I. Take if you want. Nanjing to Seoul Jul 2013 #158

And I heard Phil singing as I read your words! Very nice! Well done, thanks! Melinda Jul 2013 #112

I have to admit I've really enjoyed some of the things I've seen recently. pa28 Jul 2013 #39

k&r n/t! markpkessinger Jul 2013 #40

they have been reduced to denying reality itself, and sticking quinnox Jul 2013 #60

+10000 The flat out denial is truly stunning to watch. Straight out of Orwell. woo me with science Jul 2013 #70

Post removed Post removed Jul 2013 #75

This message was self-deleted by its author woo me with science Jul 2013 #85

"Reality-based Community" woo me with science Jul 2013 #88

Seeing that guys posts, It makes me wonder if "reality-based community" is supposed to be quinnox Jul 2013 #136

Dear, oh dear. sibelian Jul 2013 #93

K&R. JDPriestly Jul 2013 #61

Proud Member of the Reality Based Community Skittles Jul 2013 #82

Well, you know, they SAY they are. On the Internet. And everything. sibelian Jul 2013 #94

SCHEDULING SIBELIAN FOR AN ASS KICKING Skittles Jul 2013 #125

And they have MAPS. woo me with science Jul 2013 #129

You are totally out of line. woo me with science Jul 2013 #89

LOL! Aerows Jul 2013 #104

+1! Lots of Pig Squealing and Very Little Fleece! n/t Catherina Jul 2013 #108

Do you see the dotted line on your map of Eurogen? DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2013 #111

To be expected whatchamacallit Jul 2013 #95

"authoritarians" must be the latest right wing buzz word sigmasix Jul 2013 #96

Yeah, you see my problem is that "personal demons" sibelian Jul 2013 #99

"You will find liberals always rooting for savages against civilization." Pholus Jul 2013 #101

America's cohesion and sense of justice is a MYTH HangOnKids Jul 2013 #130

I've yet to read ONE post saying that Obama is a traitor and smearing Obama. Th1onein Jul 2013 #152

They can't attack the real position so they have to make one up. sibelian Jul 2013 #157

Preach it! nt Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #161

DU re: DU alcibiades_mystery Jul 2013 #102

A thing of beauty, it is. bemildred Jul 2013 #105

Comedy gold! backscatter712 Jul 2013 #109

For me, ProSense Jul 2013 #116

We should map the dissembling for posterity. DirkGently Jul 2013 #126

Heh... Posterity, and I, thank you. I believe you covered all the relevant talking points. SaveOurDemocracy Jul 2013 #128

Bookmarking. sibelian Jul 2013 #131

When this is over and we get the whole story, I see a lot of crow Cleita Jul 2013 #146

They are NEVER going to admit to being in the wrong, it's all plain chutzpah. sibelian Jul 2013 #156

*That* was good. WorseBeforeBetter Jul 2013 #139

This is feekin awesome! Thank you...your post is the power of truth shining a light on roaches...nt Drew Richards Jul 2013 #141

Awesome. Thanks DirkGently. GoneFishin Jul 2013 #144

Well mapped, Dirk suffragette Jul 2013 #154

+ a gazillion. nt Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #162

It's the cherry on top of a 3-week long discrediting sundae. Marr Jul 2013 #151

Some people think his plane was forced down. Octafish Jul 2013 #163