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In reply to the discussion: Glenn Greenwald: Top Officials Are Lying to Our Faces About Government Spying [View all]Waiting For Everyman
(9,385 posts)7. "Then we come to the leaders of various EU states".
Then we come to the leaders of various EU states. These leaders spent the last week feigning all sorts of righteous indignation over revelations that the NSA was using extreme measures to spy indiscriminately not only on the communications of their citizens en masse but also on their own embassies and consulates - things they learned thanks to Edward Snowden's self-sacrificing choice to reveal to the world what he discovered inside the NSA.
But on Tuesday night, the governments of three of those countries - France, Spain and Portugal - abruptly withdrew overflight rights for an airplane carrying Bolivian President Evo Morales, who was attempting to fly home from a conference in Russia. That conduct forced a diversion of Morales' plan to Austria, where he remained for 13 hours before being able to leave this morning.
These EU governments did that because they suspected - falsely, it now seems - that Morales' plane was also carrying Snowden: the person who enabled them to learn of the NSA spying aimed at their citizens and themselves that they claim to find so infuriating. They wanted to physically prevent Bolivia from considering or granting Snowden's request for asylum, a centuries-old right in international law. Meanwhile, the German government - which has led the ritualistic condemnations of NSA spying that Snowden exposed - summarily rejected Snowden's application for asylum almost as soon as it hit their desks.
A 2013 report from Open Society documents that Spain and Portugal were among the nations who participated in various ways in rendition flights - ie kidnapping - by the US. In particular, the report found, "Spain has permitted use of its airspace and airports for flights associated with CIA secret detention and extraordinary rendition operations." Similarly, "Portugal has permitted use of its airspace and airports for flights associated with CIA extraordinary rendition operations." The French judiciary previously investigated reports that the French government knowingly allowed the CIA to use its airspace for renditions.
So these EU states are perfectly content to allow a country - when it's the US - to use their airspace to kidnap people from around the world with no due process. But they will physically stop a plane carrying the president of a sovereign state - when it's from Latin America - in order to subvert the well-established process for seeking asylum from political persecution (and yes: the US persecutes whistleblowers).
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Glenn Greenwald: Top Officials Are Lying to Our Faces About Government Spying [View all]
xchrom
Jul 2013
OP
It means Obama sends his flacks to lie to duly elected Democratic United States
Bluenorthwest
Jul 2013
#22
Well, for those at DU STILL using Clapper's statements to defend their position...
bvar22
Jul 2013
#34
Once you get past the Snowden/Greenwald/Clapper names a simple question like
R. Daneel Olivaw
Jul 2013
#43
The Oligarchs Own The Politicians Via Campaign Contributions And In Return They Control Men Like Clapper
cantbeserious
Jul 2013
#3
All this is an outgrowth of monopoly capitalism that owns key members of both parties, if indeed
byeya
Jul 2013
#12
exactly,. if you have hooks into key personal in both parties then the distinction is moot.
Civilization2
Jul 2013
#21
I wonder how many other lies Clapper told Congress as Director of Intelligence, (how did such a
sabrina 1
Jul 2013
#30
It's for our own protection, if they told us the truth they would have to kill us,
Uncle Joe
Jul 2013
#46