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Waiting For Everyman

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7. "Then we come to the leaders of various EU states".
Fri Jul 5, 2013, 07:14 AM
Jul 2013

Then we come to the leaders of various EU states. These leaders spent the last week feigning all sorts of righteous indignation over revelations that the NSA was using extreme measures to spy indiscriminately not only on the communications of their citizens en masse but also on their own embassies and consulates - things they learned thanks to Edward Snowden's self-sacrificing choice to reveal to the world what he discovered inside the NSA.

But on Tuesday night, the governments of three of those countries - France, Spain and Portugal - abruptly withdrew overflight rights for an airplane carrying Bolivian President Evo Morales, who was attempting to fly home from a conference in Russia. That conduct forced a diversion of Morales' plan to Austria, where he remained for 13 hours before being able to leave this morning.

These EU governments did that because they suspected - falsely, it now seems - that Morales' plane was also carrying Snowden: the person who enabled them to learn of the NSA spying aimed at their citizens and themselves that they claim to find so infuriating. They wanted to physically prevent Bolivia from considering or granting Snowden's request for asylum, a centuries-old right in international law. Meanwhile, the German government - which has led the ritualistic condemnations of NSA spying that Snowden exposed - summarily rejected Snowden's application for asylum almost as soon as it hit their desks.

A 2013 report from Open Society documents that Spain and Portugal were among the nations who participated in various ways in rendition flights - ie kidnapping - by the US. In particular, the report found, "Spain has permitted use of its airspace and airports for flights associated with CIA secret detention and extraordinary rendition operations." Similarly, "Portugal has permitted use of its airspace and airports for flights associated with CIA extraordinary rendition operations." The French judiciary previously investigated reports that the French government knowingly allowed the CIA to use its airspace for renditions.

So these EU states are perfectly content to allow a country - when it's the US - to use their airspace to kidnap people from around the world with no due process. But they will physically stop a plane carrying the president of a sovereign state - when it's from Latin America - in order to subvert the well-established process for seeking asylum from political persecution (and yes: the US persecutes whistleblowers).

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"...Clapper is still spouting falsehoods..." randome Jul 2013 #1
what do you think it means? cali Jul 2013 #2
Falsehoods - Polite Speech - For Lies cantbeserious Jul 2013 #4
The irony of cantbeserious replying to the OP's stated question is delicious think Jul 2013 #8
See Source Article Here cantbeserious Jul 2013 #5
And this has been debated before. Why bring it up yet again? randome Jul 2013 #14
Wyden told Clapper he was going to ask that question of him Vinnie From Indy Jul 2013 #18
actually it is even worse than that dsc Jul 2013 #32
the "debate" consists of people like Greenwald reporting it Enrique Jul 2013 #20
The one percent see things differently. caseymoz Jul 2013 #56
It means Obama sends his flacks to lie to duly elected Democratic United States Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #22
Very well stated Bluenorthwest. fasttense Jul 2013 #58
Well, for those at DU STILL using Clapper's statements to defend their position... bvar22 Jul 2013 #34
Once you get past the Snowden/Greenwald/Clapper names a simple question like R. Daneel Olivaw Jul 2013 #43
Well.... saying the "least untruthful" things he can??? MNBrewer Jul 2013 #38
The Oligarchs Own The Politicians Via Campaign Contributions And In Return They Control Men Like Clapper cantbeserious Jul 2013 #3
Scary and very true newfie11 Jul 2013 #6
"Then we come to the leaders of various EU states". Waiting For Everyman Jul 2013 #7
This message was self-deleted by its author gholtron Jul 2013 #9
Send Clapper to the crapper/cooler, for Hubert Flottz Jul 2013 #10
Was this the next bomb shell that Greenwald was going to explode? gholtron Jul 2013 #11
All this is an outgrowth of monopoly capitalism that owns key members of both parties, if indeed byeya Jul 2013 #12
Too True - Agree Completely cantbeserious Jul 2013 #13
exactly,. if you have hooks into key personal in both parties then the distinction is moot. Civilization2 Jul 2013 #21
k/r marmar Jul 2013 #15
K & R !!! WillyT Jul 2013 #16
K&R NorthCarolina Jul 2013 #17
So who or what is going to stop what is going on? watoos Jul 2013 #19
Let it go Glenn..... DeSwiss Jul 2013 #23
! xchrom Jul 2013 #24
I've visited Rakeyourdick Iceland... Hubert Flottz Jul 2013 #49
Sounds painful too! DeSwiss Jul 2013 #51
If you overshoot the runway in Rakeyourdick. Hubert Flottz Jul 2013 #59
So? kentuck Jul 2013 #25
Greenwald has nothing relevant to say on any subject. baldguy Jul 2013 #26
you wish. nashville_brook Jul 2013 #27
Are there any Democrats iin the room? Will they please stand up? R. Daneel Olivaw Jul 2013 #44
And there it is. Don't address the issue, attack the messenger. Warren Stupidity Jul 2013 #28
So you side with the lying Republicans Clapper and Mueller? nm rhett o rick Jul 2013 #45
I'm thinking a few million people disagree with you DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2013 #47
Greenwald is irrelevant the way you can only hope to ever be - nt HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #52
K&R woo me with science Jul 2013 #29
I wonder how many other lies Clapper told Congress as Director of Intelligence, (how did such a sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #30
past booz allen questionseverything Jul 2013 #31
K&R suffragette Jul 2013 #33
Clearly this NSA stuff isn't that important because Snowden is a jerk. FreeBC Jul 2013 #35
"How is this not a huge scandal?" Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #36
Well, well, well. woo me with science Jul 2013 #39
Who appointed that asshole, anyway? n/t QC Jul 2013 #37
Prepare yourselves for shouting. Clapper lied to congress which is illegal MsPithy Jul 2013 #40
K&R 99Forever Jul 2013 #41
Don't worry-- whatever we haven't heard yet is surely Old News™. Marr Jul 2013 #42
It's for our own protection, if they told us the truth they would have to kill us, Uncle Joe Jul 2013 #46
Glen Greenwald is Lying to Our Faces About Government Spying. jazzimov Jul 2013 #48
How so? Kurovski Jul 2013 #53
And he's a liar TOO? sibelian Jul 2013 #54
They wouldn't lie to us, blkmusclmachine Jul 2013 #50
governments lie. even the ones you love and support. like the sun rises in the east. KG Jul 2013 #55
+1 xchrom Jul 2013 #57
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