Drone plane manufacturing industry is writing the legislation that governs their use in the US

[Peace Patriot]

21. You make a broad generalization about "conspiracies" with no examples...

...let alone details and you ignore the very considerable detail that I've presented, based on research: the facts about each death are true, and the possible connections (the Dem Party meeting in AZ Feb. 5; Giffords particular interest in drone technology, her effort to ban sales; Wheeler working on that technology and having a history as a top government investigator; the coincidence of dates) are all true. And I leave nothing out that might explain, say, Wheeler's death (such as the strange smoke bomb incident and his objections to the house construction, or his being bipolar).

So why do you say nothing about the substance of my comment? Don't you think further investigation is warranted? You trust "the authorities," who called Turnot's death an "accident," and who can't find the killer or killers of a top AF drone expert at Mitre, with, as one of his West Point buddies said, one of the highest security clearances in the nation? You think these things are NORMAL--a top security consultant ending up as landfill, with not a clue as to why or how? a top lobbyist burning to death in her car?

You are content that the man who built the Vietnam War Veterans Memorial gets dumped in a landfill and nobody knows who did it? And what of Giffords, who was trying to ban drone sales? Is this not the oddest coincidence of all--besides the coincidence of these deaths and the AZ attack all in a 10 day period--that a man who might well have been investigating an AF scandal about drones, ends up dead, and a congresswoman who was trying to ban the sale of drones was slated for death eight days later?

And ain't it odd, as well, that Turnot had been in AZ at a political meeting (she lived in DC)--AZ, of all states--a few days before her BMW mysteriously incinerated her, and only three days before Giffords was shot?

You know, I ADMIT that connecting these events is a stretch--but they bother me. They bother me a lot. They bother me so much that I spent quite a lot of time looking into them. Don't they bother you, even a little bit? You don't think they should be more thoroughly investigated?

By the way, there are plenty of criminal conspiracies that are tangled webs--the BCII scandal, the Enron scandal, the Vatican banking scandal, the Iran-Contra conspiracy, the JFK assassination*, Allende's death in Chile and the car bomb death of his foreign minister in Washington DC, the Savings & Loan scandals, the outing of the CIA's entire WMD counter-proliferation program by Cheney and Rumsfeld (a very deep tangle, that one), the current spying and death squad conspiracy being unraveled by prosecutors in Colombia, numerous mafia and corruption conspiracies that involve many people and many crimes, banking scandals, mortgage scandals, terrorist conspiracies--many tangled webs of "laundered" money and disappeared money and hidden actors and mysterious deaths.

One thing that characterizes criminals is hubris. They think they can't be caught. And the more powerful they are, the more hubris do they have. Criminal conspiracies are thus very often tangled webs. Some have been untangled. Some have not (or not completely). But they most certainly do exist and it is not true that the level of complexity of the conspiracy has anything to do with the reality of the conspiracy. Criminals don't take your advice. They weave tangled webs all the time. In fact, complexity is one sure sign of a criminal conspiracy involving money.

It's just unthinking flak that to assert, for instance, that a complex conspiracy to assassinate a president could not be structured to use the actions of many people without those people knowing what they were doing. Lord, the CIA has done this, time and again, in foreign countries--USED people, fooled people, utilized their particular expertise at misdirection, at disinformation, at distraction, at cover stories, at laying false trails and telling false tales. No reason on earth to think that they couldn't do it here, for the foulest of deeds. And with privatization and outsourcing, there are many private parties out there, today, with the skills to create a very tangled web, for criminal purposes, without getting caught--and there are people and corporate entities of such immense wealth and power that they can and do purchase their only little private "CIA" to protect and expand their wealth and power with crimes, including murder. It is naive to say otherwise--that this or that couldn't happen, because it's too complex.

"Somebody would squeal"? Not if they're dead. Not if they're well paid off. Not if they're sufficiently frightened. Not if they don't know what they may have done to further a crime. Not if they have been sufficiently confused and misdirected. Not if they are criminals themselves. And not if they agree with goal of the crime. Furthermore, if the criminal conspirators are very clever and very powerful, they can create their own false reality--one that is too difficult to challenge, and can't be challenged without significant risk to livelihood, family and life itself. Social pressure, fear and rough treatment of any challengers can all add up to a conspiracy of silence, around a crime or crimes in which many people had some part, knowing or unknowing.

And this is a very, very real phenomenon. We see it in high schools. We see it in families. We see it in communities. We see it in churches and all manner of groups--lawyers, doctors, journalists, businesses, the priesthood, the military, the police. We see it in nations. The fear of going against the grain. Thus, terrible crimes can be committed and terrible tyrants can reign, with impunity. Powerful criminals can create their own false reality that no one dares challenge. A conspiracy can be very complex--and involve many crimes, over a long period of time--and remain hidden, due to fear and manipulation. Only with the greatest difficulty can conspiracies of silence be broken.

The child sex abuse scandal in the Catholic Church is a prime example. Many crimes, by many different priests, over many decades, and many coverups and many complex misdirections, for instance, bishops moving these child abusing priests around from parish to parish. The parishioners in one place don't know what the transferred priest has done in another parish because the bishop has the power to cover it up. They may unknowingly further more crimes by letting that priest counsel children. They may stifle their suspicions. They may shut children up because they don't want to believe it. Over all reigns a false reality, created by the bishops and the church, that priests are benevolent and celibate and agents of God. It took decades of work and immense suffering to unravel it. And it might not have been unraveled, except for a few courageous people who started putting the pieces together, against immense pressure to leave it alone.

That complex conspiracy to cover up crimes and protect criminals is a paradigm of what can happen when some people get too powerful. And we, very unfortunately, now have people, in government and the corporate world, who are that powerful and more so. They can and do commit crimes--very big crimes (for instance, the billion dollars that went missing in Iraq, or the torture dungeons in eastern Europe), some of which we eventually find out about and some of which we don't, and very few of which are ever successfully prosecuted. Hell, we had powerful criminals running the government for eight years. i'm sure we're seeing only the "tip of the iceberg" of what they got up to. And guess what the word is from President Obama? "We need to look forward not backward." A conspiracy of silence. Some people are TOO POWERFUL to investigate and prosecute, and can get away with murder and anything else they want to do, because it's too scary to oppose them.

I'm not saying that there was a conspiracy in this case, around these billion dollar pilotless weapons that are now all the rage in the "military-industrial" complex (or some other matter, such as the Progress/Duke Energy deal). But to say that it's not possible, because somebody would rat them out, is foolish.



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*(An excellent book on this subject is "JFK and the Unspeakable: Why He Died and Why It Matters," by James Douglass.)