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JayhawkSD

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9. According to the BLS Household Data report itself,
Fri Jul 5, 2013, 10:12 AM
Jul 2013

The number of employed people rose by 160,000, while the number of "part time due to slack work conditions" rose by 352,000. That means that 192,000 full time jobs were lost. Time to turn handsprings.

The Establishment Survey is not used for the official unemployment number, because establishment reporting is less reliable than household survey. Establishments do not always report, in which case it is assumed that their numbers are unchanged, even if it later turns out that they did not report because they were no longer in business. They also do not report on nature of jobs, so of the 195,000 jobs they are reporting, which is probably only 160,000 in actuality, it is unknown how many were part time.

Interestingly, the government has a very easy way to provide employment numbers without any need for all of the estimating and seasonal adjusting that is used for both of these reports, and the conflict that always results from them. They could use the data from tax reporting which is done every payday by employers. They refuse to do so based on "privacy issues," but such reporting would not require private information, merely the actual number of employees for whom wages were being reported.

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That year from Jan 09 to Jan 09 was a mess! Obama really screwed the economy! Buzz Clik Jul 2013 #1
Unfortunately, exceeding expectations does not equal good. n/t Dawgs Jul 2013 #2
better than expected arely staircase Jul 2013 #5
Better than expected doesn't equal good. n/t Dawgs Jul 2013 #7
it equals better than expected. nt arely staircase Jul 2013 #10
Yep. And, nothing to do with the point I was making. n/t Dawgs Jul 2013 #14
"Ok, so growth hasn’t exactly been gangbusters since the recession." but, Cha Jul 2013 #29
it must be odd to loath good news. nt arely staircase Jul 2013 #30
Totally alien to me and smells like a feeble Cha Jul 2013 #35
! BlancheSplanchnik Jul 2013 #57
of course Blue_Roses Jul 2013 #34
Disappointed? Teabaggers are. Any improvement in economic performance disappoints the bluestate10 Jul 2013 #39
This message was self-deleted by its author Blue_Roses Jul 2013 #45
You know, i do believe that if the unemployment dropped to 5% by now the anti-Obama crowd kelliekat44 Jul 2013 #3
Yup vdogg Jul 2013 #4
I hear the same arguments from the right on blogs. If the improvement is too big, Obama bluestate10 Jul 2013 #40
Economy is either good or bad. Claiming it's still not good enough has nothing to do with Obama. Dawgs Jul 2013 #8
Maddox: ... Given these figures, the three-month stretch -- April through June -- is the best we've pampango Jul 2013 #6
According to the BLS Household Data report itself, JayhawkSD Jul 2013 #9
CAP: There was job growth across a variety of industries and wages rose by 10 cents. pampango Jul 2013 #11
"Recession" has not abandoned my town at all LWolf Jul 2013 #12
Voters must take control and vote republicans out of office. No party in the history of the bluestate10 Jul 2013 #42
What we really need to do is have about 3 million Americans fasttense Jul 2013 #54
K&R great white snark Jul 2013 #13
The danger of looking at raw numbers only: the bulk of the jobs created HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #15
Wow, nice post. Good news for everyone. And shocked you did not mention Snowden. n-t Logical Jul 2013 #16
But you did - LOL Iliyah Jul 2013 #17
Har har Kolesar Jul 2013 #48
I hate to be a stickler, but how do you add 195,000 jobs but only increas the workforce by 177,000 1-Old-Man Jul 2013 #18
You don't seem to have heard of the unemployed rate. bluestate10 Jul 2013 #44
"Try as I may to dampen ..." What the fuck are you talking about? 1-Old-Man Jul 2013 #51
Love the part-time. Safetykitten Jul 2013 #19
And more Americans are working for minimum wage than ever. The Midway Rebel Jul 2013 #20
Apparently, "expectations" are now capable of winning limbo contests. n/t winter is coming Jul 2013 #23
Yeah, but how many of these new jobs... RevStPatrick Jul 2013 #21
I'm sick of the term "job growth". mick063 Jul 2013 #22
Exactly. At most, these jobs may only add to the battery of part time ones. nt snappyturtle Jul 2013 #26
It's progress. Jamaal510 Jul 2013 #50
Hindsight is so sweet ffr Jul 2013 #24
Clint Eastwood looks like the most stupid MF ever to utter a word Cha Jul 2013 #31
think I'll just wait a 4-6 weeks.... dtom67 Jul 2013 #25
Thanks ProSense. Scurrilous Jul 2013 #27
your post makes me sad :( mostly because it isnt true. galileoreloaded Jul 2013 #28
Calling Steve Benen a liar, are ya? Cha Jul 2013 #32
i guess. long on eloquent prose, short on actionable substance. nt galileoreloaded Jul 2013 #33
Then you would be ignorant. Cha Jul 2013 #36
eh, i got a lot of problems but ignorance or dumbassery aint any of em . galileoreloaded Jul 2013 #37
Steve Benen has a stellar reputation and he's not the only one saying this.. Cha Jul 2013 #43
Maybe ProSense Jul 2013 #38
offset that against dollar destruction and explain why you hate fixed incomes and the seniors on... galileoreloaded Jul 2013 #41
this is good news SwampG8r Jul 2013 #46
Most of the new jobs are low paying service sector jobs that don't pay a living totodeinhere Jul 2013 #47
I'm a caseworker Puzzledtraveller Jul 2013 #58
trying to get excited about these jobs but, then - there is this to consider Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2013 #49
Are they as good as the jobs that were lost? RedCappedBandit Jul 2013 #52
It's nice to have some good news to celebrate. dawg Jul 2013 #53
This news is not that great. totodeinhere Jul 2013 #56
This news isn't that great. totodeinhere Jul 2013 #55
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