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rhett o rick

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106. Not calling it "surveillance" does not make it right. They are gathering data on us.

Fri Jul 5, 2013, 11:04 AM

Jul 2013

THey are storing data of ours. The very fact that all our data is stored makes us vulnerable. Data like that gets compromised once a week. Insurance companies would love access to that data. Foreign countries would love to have access to that data. And a tyrannical government would love to have access to that data.

It's naive to think that a government would only use the data for good purposes. Our government views whistle-blowers, investigative journalists, and protestors as possible terrorists and can use the data to quell potential problems.

Do you trust Booz-Allen to keep your data safe? They have already proven they cant do it. Who owns Booz-Allen?

Would you allow the government (or Booz-Allen) to put video cameras in you house to video what goes on if they promise not to view the data without a warrant?

How far into a authoritarian "security" state are you willing to go on the promise of security?

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On this Independence Day, I'm thankful for Edward Snowden [View all] MannyGoldstein Jul 2013 OP

Wow, you set your sights very low. Thinkingabout Jul 2013 #1

It's an eye catching, kick the hornet's nest headline. Need to read the content to actually get it. gtar100 Jul 2013 #18

I don't think we know yet whether we have to separate the person from the disclosed info. merrily Jul 2013 #21

It seems Cryptoad Jul 2013 #45

We disagree. Besides, I don't think this surveillance is merrily Jul 2013 #50

With a warrant NSA can collect the data and store it in a searchable data base and therefore search Thinkingabout Jul 2013 #52

Warrants under the Constitution and FISA laws are for specific data that a judges agrees warrants a rhett o rick Jul 2013 #71

If the goverment Cryptoad Jul 2013 #77

There are a couple of fallacies in your reasoning. You assume those that are collecting the data rhett o rick Jul 2013 #79

If we,,, Cryptoad Jul 2013 #87

Wow, 'dooooooomed'. You need such hypberole to sell that trash. Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #93

And tell us exactly Cryptoad Jul 2013 #102

If we need to depend on faith we are doomed. Faith is for those that have no reasoning capacity. rhett o rick Jul 2013 #99

Preservation of Data Cryptoad Jul 2013 #103

Not calling it "surveillance" does not make it right. They are gathering data on us. rhett o rick Jul 2013 #106

Yet you still Cryptoad Jul 2013 #116

Storing massive data on Americans violates the Constitution and the FISA Law. rhett o rick Jul 2013 #117

YOur logic Cryptoad Jul 2013 #118

"If the FISA warrants are Constitutional , then I am standing on the side of our constitution." rhett o rick Jul 2013 #120

There are many laws that I believe to be unjust but Cryptoad Jul 2013 #123

What is this? "These types of arguments are taking the same form as the Tea Party uses."?? rhett o rick Jul 2013 #125

Many of your arguments Cryptoad Jul 2013 #129

This is the problem Th1onein Jul 2013 #83

I am afraid Cryptoad Jul 2013 #88

The "Data Age" is no excuse. Th1onein Jul 2013 #89

If The Government... KharmaTrain Jul 2013 #98

"Scooping" up data Cryptoad Jul 2013 #105

So you'd be okay if law enforcement made a copy of every letter you ever sent.... Th1onein Jul 2013 #113

My understanding is Cryptoad Jul 2013 #115

I'm sorry, but you're not making much sense.... Th1onein Jul 2013 #121

The Constitutionally of Cryptoad Jul 2013 #124

Want to reply in a complete sentence, perhaps? Th1onein Jul 2013 #130

Grammer Police? Cryptoad Jul 2013 #131

@Merrily: "I simply suggest that we wait before making up our minds, one way or the other. " Maedhros Jul 2013 #55

It is unreasonable and rude of any one person to tell others what to do with their Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #92

Suggesting something is 'emotional imperialism'? Is that a joke? Demit Jul 2013 #111

Since Bush spoke of this in 2005 what has Snowden exposed except the "cause" he thought he which Thinkingabout Jul 2013 #49

Did you know the NSA spied on Obama in 2004? Do you care? think Jul 2013 #51

Did the NSA obtain a warrant to do the wiretapping or was this during the period of time in which Thinkingabout Jul 2013 #57

I don't know. Does it matter as to the facts that the NSA indeed spied on think Jul 2013 #58

You may or may not agree with the Fourth Amendment but after all these years I think it is Thinkingabout Jul 2013 #64

wiretapping doesnt bother because you have nothing hide. so that makes it ok to spy on Obama? think Jul 2013 #66

Yes but it's interesting how much interest the OA has taken in this matter. gtar100 Jul 2013 #61

I think domestic surveillance felix_numinous Jul 2013 #59

K&R. nt wtmusic Jul 2013 #2

Good words of warning, that some here would rather we not heed. RC Jul 2013 #3

K&R Arctic Dave Jul 2013 #4

What exactly did he tell you that you didn't know back in 2006? HipChick Jul 2013 #5

That all my phone calls and emails are likely MannyGoldstein Jul 2013 #10

They photograph our mail, too. Demeter Jul 2013 #14

Agreed 100% MattSh Jul 2013 #25

What a great reminder. truedelphi Jul 2013 #41

You beat me to it... Just read the local paper's carrying that piece yesterday... MrMickeysMom Jul 2013 #95

"Or is everybody asleep?" ljm2002 Jul 2013 #11

We have learned that the Domestic Spying on Americans bvar22 Jul 2013 #28

+ MY household. (And Happy 4th to you bvar.) truedelphi Jul 2013 #43

Nope sorry it was well reported years ago Egnever Jul 2013 #86

I have learned that Obama officials are willing to lie to the face of my US Senator Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #94

I didn't know the NSA wiretapped Obama, the Supreme court justices, journalists think Jul 2013 #29

LOL, if nothing is new that everyone already knew then why is he in trouble???? n-t Logical Jul 2013 #108

Now that I agree with quinnox Jul 2013 #6

Manny this is not Thanksgiving flamingdem Jul 2013 #7

If you're only thankful one day per year, you may have an empathy deficit. DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2013 #12

+a brazillion! Demeter Jul 2013 #16

Well put BrotherIvan Jul 2013 #19

Thanks to both of you. n/t DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2013 #20

Gratitude is out of place on July 4? Ya wanna think about that for a minute? merrily Jul 2013 #23

You can still take down that embarrassing post. bvar22 Jul 2013 #33

Obamas thank troops during White House barbecue morningfog Jul 2013 #81

Thankfully usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #8

Kicked and recommended pscot Jul 2013 #9

K&R nt Zorra Jul 2013 #13

I'm celebrating ProSense Jul 2013 #15

+ 1 And under President Obama, not President Paul (as Snowden and his Brazilian Master would BlueCaliDem Jul 2013 #32

Here is a quote from you. As context for your emoticons and adjectives... Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #96

Thank you. n/t QC Jul 2013 #100

Well this will piss off the detractors ...and that's a good thing. L0oniX Jul 2013 #17

K&R! The shit-flingers can kiss my ass! n/t backscatter712 Jul 2013 #22

Happy birthday. merrily Jul 2013 #24

it's independence day, not thanksgiving BOG PERSON Jul 2013 #26

Although I miss 3rd Way Manny think Jul 2013 #27

K&R forestpath Jul 2013 #30

He is the Emile Zola of the 21st Century. J'Accuse Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2013 #31

fwiw - Zola wrote J'Accuse RainDog Jul 2013 #46

Thanks, RainDog. I've been rereading Les Miserables and had Hugo on my mind. Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2013 #47

They're both great writers RainDog Jul 2013 #48

Happy FREEDOM Day, Manny. bvar22 Jul 2013 #34

OMG, really? Hydra Jul 2013 #35

Hear, hear! +1 eom Purveyor Jul 2013 #36

HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Jul 2013 #37

We do not need to call Snowden devil or angel DonCoquixote Jul 2013 #38

"How Unreasonable Searches of Private Documents Caused the American Revolution" deurbano Jul 2013 #39

Good post. Thanks. (nt) Kurovski Jul 2013 #42

K&R ReRe Jul 2013 #40

K&R. MotherPetrie Jul 2013 #44

Well said, Manny. Particularly enjoy the LibDemAlways Jul 2013 #53

I agree with you. Snowden performed a service for us even if that Cleita Jul 2013 #54

The original patriots sometimes tarred and feathered loyalists Progressive dog Jul 2013 #56

How do you feel about Daniel Ellsberg? MannyGoldstein Jul 2013 #60

Daniel Ellsbereg is neither patriot nor scoundrel. Progressive dog Jul 2013 #63

It's a good read Go Vols Jul 2013 #69

$2 biilion to surveille everything seems like quite a bargain to me Progressive dog Jul 2013 #70

You read the entire article? Go Vols Jul 2013 #72

Yup, I read where they are tapping everything at Utah, with no way Progressive dog Jul 2013 #73

Its part of the same article Go Vols Jul 2013 #74

Do you know what was in Benedict Arnold's letter George Washington read? Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #97

The letter was not from Arnold, Progressive dog Jul 2013 #112

Happy Independence Day neighbours! LiberalLovinLug Jul 2013 #62

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jul 2013 #65

Hear, hear! nt woo me with science Jul 2013 #67

As am I. K&R. nt DLevine Jul 2013 #68

I too am glad we now know what we know. Whatever his intentions, the results are the same. liberal_at_heart Jul 2013 #75

Happy 237th birthday of our Revolution! Waiting For Everyman Jul 2013 #76

K&R DeSwiss Jul 2013 #78

Did You Catch This ??? WillyT Jul 2013 #80

Thanks for the link. MannyGoldstein Jul 2013 #85

lol damn you're gonna get the usual suspects braying at the moon now! boilerbabe Jul 2013 #82

You might like this nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #84

Hero for sure... ngjtk Jul 2013 #90

Exactly right fasttense Jul 2013 #91

Who do you think is ultimately responsible for these allegedly Treasonous acts? n/t Ian David Jul 2013 #114

Metadata does not belong to you. stonecutter357 Jul 2013 #101

Take two aspirin and go to bed. Fuddnik Jul 2013 #104

It does not belong to the NSA either. But they are taking it anyway! n-t Logical Jul 2013 #109

Here is a cartoon that n2doc posted: kentuck Jul 2013 #107

Hero or scoundrel, it doesn't matter to me. Autumn Jul 2013 #110

Wonderfully stated. Harmony Blue Jul 2013 #119

K&R 99Forever Jul 2013 #122

Me too and all Whistle Blowers who risk everything to warn the people against sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #126

And i know he didn't risk his life for what i'm about to mention, but seeing... allin99 Jul 2013 #127

Agreed on all counts. nm MannyGoldstein Jul 2013 #128