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no_hypocrisy

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7. Since the "reasonable belief" that you were in danger of death or great bodily harm is really

Fri Jul 5, 2013, 11:41 AM

Jul 2013

subjective (despite the verbiage of "reasonable belief&quot , if the fight was only witnessed by the two parties fighting, couldn't it be feasible that you start a fight, you start losing and getting your ass kicked, and just kill your victim because it was your "reasonable belief" you were going to die (but you never were in any reasonable danger)? Nobody else but you could insist that was your primary motivation.

And if you're the victim, that leaves you in a very vulnerable situation: let the aggressor beat the shit out of you or fight back and risk death.

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You cannot initiate the confrontation, start getting your ass kicked, and then decide to shoot..... [View all] Logical Jul 2013 OP

There's another thread today where the exact opposite is said to be justification, and vehemently. maxsolomon Jul 2013 #1

By Florida law you can... dkf Jul 2013 #2

That's what this whole thing is about, the horrible law that makes murder legal. Kablooie Jul 2013 #5

That's not true cthulu2016 Jul 2013 #9

subjective meaning. it is a horrible law. if you don't admit that Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #11

Learning some law would help you here cthulu2016 Jul 2013 #15

"Reasonable" seems to have different values base on the races involved and court's locality. Kablooie Jul 2013 #24

Zimmerman should also have heeded your advice also LanternWaste Jul 2013 #27

If it's a "horrible" law, so is every single other state's law. They *all* say "reasonable". sir pball Jul 2013 #21

I concede "horrible" was a poor choice of adjective. Kablooie Jul 2013 #28

It does, but I don't think there's a better answer unless sir pball Jul 2013 #37

The traditional definition of civilian self-defense has a "duty to retreat" component. Kablooie Jul 2013 #38

DTR and "reasonable" are generally unrelated. sir pball Jul 2013 #39

Reasonable Just Saying Jul 2013 #30

This is likely what Trayvon was doing. Just Saying Jul 2013 #6

Since the "reasonable belief" that you were in danger of death or great bodily harm is really no_hypocrisy Jul 2013 #7

if no one is around� you don't even have to "start losing". If it's just 2 people you can initiate a KittyWampus Jul 2013 #18

This is where it is hard to believe Zimmerman had a reasonable belief of him imminent death treestar Jul 2013 #22

Horrible law. Lizzie Poppet Jul 2013 #41

Actually you can. Go read the Florida statutes on self defense. nt hack89 Jul 2013 #3

"You cannot initiate the confrontation, start getting your ass kicked, and then decide to shoot.." etherealtruth Jul 2013 #4

Making up laws as you imagine them is a rather silly hobby cthulu2016 Jul 2013 #8

May I assume your belief is that the law was designed to apply to a situation such as this? etherealtruth Jul 2013 #14

Ahhh....some one is grumpy! Nap time for you! Here is picture for you.... Logical Jul 2013 #31

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Based on that post, you seem to be on precisely Zimmerman's moral level cthulu2016 Jul 2013 #12

no. I don't carry a loaded weapon and walk around looking for trouble Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #13

FWIW, I see that hidden post as predicting the future, not hoping for someone to die. uppityperson Jul 2013 #19

That was a silly hide treestar Jul 2013 #25

So you are advocating for the murder of another human being. You are a real class act. n/t Lurks Often Jul 2013 #16

Whoops, premium Jul 2013 #20

So, are you advocating for the murder of Zimmerman? premium Jul 2013 #17

He initiated the confrontation by stalking him. Warren Stupidity Jul 2013 #23

Zimmerman's story does not hold up Gothmog Jul 2013 #26

There is certainly reasonable doubt as to whether Zimmerman initiated the confrontation. Vattel Jul 2013 #29

Yes, only because no one saw him do it. n-t Logical Jul 2013 #32

Okay, but the keep in mind that the prosecution Vattel Jul 2013 #33

I 100% agree with you. It just sucks there was not a witness. n-t Logical Jul 2013 #35

I agree with the OP. HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #34

stated as such, sure you can. it all depends on the facts unblock Jul 2013 #36

It depends on what you mean by "initiate" NickB79 Jul 2013 #40