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48. The guillotine stories are dismissed by science.

Fri Jul 5, 2013, 12:37 PM

Jul 2013

Yes a beheaded person may technically be "alive" for a second but any movement is judged to be muscle spasm.

http://science.howstuffworks.com/life/inside-the-mind/human-brain/10-brain-myths6.htm

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ZIMMERMAN TRIAL: Day 9, Friday, July 5, 2013 [View all] GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 OP

Prosecution is expected to complete their case today. N/T GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #1

What happens after that? darkangel218 Jul 2013 #2

Defense gets their turn. N/T GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #3

Ah okay. thanks darkangel218 Jul 2013 #7

O'Mara is making a mistake. madaboutharry Jul 2013 #4

Agreed! nt avebury Jul 2013 #5

O'Mara and West love the sound of their voices too much to pass Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #8

here is the video of her testimony Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #37

Thanks Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #59

good grief... Blue_Roses Jul 2013 #173

You would hope that he had not done anthing to avebury Jul 2013 #6

she was an excellent witness Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #38

The defense tried to get the mother to say that it was Trayvon faults that he was dead HipChick Jul 2013 #9

That didn't seem to go over well Blue_Roses Jul 2013 #174

This line of questioning is unhelpful. madaboutharry Jul 2013 #10

Trayvon's brother's answers were consistent. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2013 #11

I don't see it either. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #13

trayvon's brother's testimony today Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #45

an excellent witness. Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #58

He is trying to paint TM as a thug,coming from a broken home and not being close to his brother.. HipChick Jul 2013 #15

It will be interesting to see what the defense does davidpdx Jul 2013 #12

Kick femmocrat Jul 2013 #14

What happened to Ms. Fulton? femmocrat Jul 2013 #16

They asked her to identify the button Trayvon was wearing Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #17

Thanks! nt femmocrat Jul 2013 #18

Did she leave the courtroom? femmocrat Jul 2013 #20

Yes - before they called the ME. Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #23

He was still alive? So they could have helped with CPR but instead they were too busy taking picture HipChick Jul 2013 #19

OMG, He was alive from 1 to 10 minutes after he was shot. femmocrat Jul 2013 #21

Martin essentially bled out into his own lungs alcibiades_mystery Jul 2013 #22

I like this witness because he's pissing off the defense attorney. Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #24

He is very careful about his testimony. femmocrat Jul 2013 #25

He has already helped the defense in two ways. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #27

Except I thought that I heard him clearly avebury Jul 2013 #28

Defense only needs a minute of life. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #30

So he moved after Zimmerman was on top of him? Just Saying Jul 2013 #32

Only movement required, at that point, is pulling his arms back to grab where it hurts. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #36

Yet Z says he spread TMs arms and held him down which must've taken those few seconds. uppityperson Jul 2013 #40

According to the witness neighbor that came around the corner. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #44

No, the guy with the flashlight testified he never saw TorchTheWitch Jul 2013 #166

He jumped up after being shot in the heart? Just Saying Jul 2013 #43

You are scrambling the timeline, GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #49

TM was in shock. Pulling his arms in to clutch "where it hurt" is Hollywood. uppityperson Jul 2013 #50

Dr. Bao said that TM would have been in severe pain. N/T GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #54

No shit sherlock. He could not breath, got kicked really hard in the chest, was in profound shock uppityperson Jul 2013 #55

I'm not scrambling anything Just Saying Jul 2013 #52

Timeline comes from two witnesses. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #56

Good was out before the shooting if I'm not mistaken. Just Saying Jul 2013 #57

History is replete with examples of people who have sustained similar injuries and kept fighting. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #66

I'm sure there are factors that change different reactions. Just Saying Jul 2013 #138

With a pulse of over 100/min, that would be a second. I expect his pulse was at least that uppityperson Jul 2013 #164

unless he's some sort of superhuman magical negro, of course noiretextatique Jul 2013 #181

Z's own re-enactment claims that Martin never moved TorchTheWitch Jul 2013 #171

"It would take several beats of the heart for the blood in the lungs to be enough to impead speech." Auntie Bush Jul 2013 #158

The Medical Examiner testified that the heart continued to beat. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #160

The guy with the flashlight testified he didn't run TorchTheWitch Jul 2013 #167

I don't know about people but when I hunt belcffub Jul 2013 #60

It does. N/T GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #67

Let me know if any of them Just Saying Jul 2013 #137

if that happens I may just belcffub Jul 2013 #179

but the doctor said it was unlikely trayvon could have moved after being shot. Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #29

Just because someone is "alive" does not mean they can get up and move. It doesn't work that way. uppityperson Jul 2013 #31

Incapacitation is not instantaneous. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #34

And I've seen enough people who are alive and unable to move to counter your guillotined heads uppityperson Jul 2013 #39

"Some heads mouthed words that were lip read." Complete balderdash. WinkyDink Jul 2013 #46

Agreed LiberalFighter Jul 2013 #132

The guillotine stories are dismissed by science. Just Saying Jul 2013 #48

Rubbish. ellisonz Jul 2013 #51

nope...just a continuation of the myth of the scary black guy noiretextatique Jul 2013 #182

Here is an article and link giving ME's opinion he could not have moved. Didn't want you to miss it. uppityperson Jul 2013 #162

No. Debunked by modern science. Blood pressure plummets anneboleyn Jul 2013 #178

Confused Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #26

I guess so according Just Saying Jul 2013 #33

The witness was 100% correct when he stated avebury Jul 2013 #35

I think the jury gets that. Just Saying Jul 2013 #41

Does the defense have to present witnesses ? Can they rest and then do closing arguments? Gin Jul 2013 #42

No. Yes. WinkyDink Jul 2013 #47

They can rest and do closing arguments. They won't GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #53

Knock Knock is so annoying! nt avebury Jul 2013 #61

What is a "Richardson Hearing" and why is Defense being asked who they want to call to the stand? Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #62

And Twitter explained: Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #63

Hey Skeletor Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #64

Well it was a stupid question KNOCK KNOCK! You can't go and kill people and find out uponit7771 Jul 2013 #65

His parents are incredibly strong to sit through this Marrah_G Jul 2013 #68

No "Ill will and hatred" Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #69

Omara's client has ZERO credibility avebury Jul 2013 #70

who among us knew this prosecutor was going to lay it all out so precisely? Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #104

And this is the way that it needs to be laid out in the closing statement. avebury Jul 2013 #106

...what a self hating job... uponit7771 Jul 2013 #77

Or an ego so massive as to lose all context of self-awareness. Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #79

He's doing his job Marrah_G Jul 2013 #80

Is he asking for the case to be dropped?! uponit7771 Jul 2013 #71

this standard opening for the defense -- ask for dismissal KurtNYC Jul 2013 #72

ok..thx, sounds like this is SOP uponit7771 Jul 2013 #74

Yup! avebury Jul 2013 #73

Yes, and is apparently commonplace Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #75

It happens in a majority of cases Nevernose Jul 2013 #82

Standard move to ask for an aquital. He knows he won't get it. N/T GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #76

Based on his arguments it sounded a bit like he was helping the prosecution's case. LiberalFighter Jul 2013 #88

"...get past the expletive..." as if that was the only think showing ill will towards TM uponit7771 Jul 2013 #78

He is bringing up a lot of interesting case law. N/T GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #81

Now the prosecution's turn. He is doing a good job too. N/T GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #83

He is doing a great job. He is very thorough and to the point. avebury Jul 2013 #84

+1 uponit7771 Jul 2013 #87

The prosecutor is much clearer with his explanation. LiberalFighter Jul 2013 #91

+1, good day for the PA uponit7771 Jul 2013 #98

PA is doing a KICK ASS job of knocking down the defense request too uponit7771 Jul 2013 #85

"...one of them is dead the other is a liar..." WHOA uponit7771 Jul 2013 #86

Short and to the point! nt avebury Jul 2013 #89

+1 Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #90

And the Sean Hannity interview comes back to avebury Jul 2013 #92

What details did they mention about the interview? Thanks. SaveAmerica Jul 2013 #169

Sean Hannity asked him about the Stand Your Ground Law avebury Jul 2013 #172

Ah, OK, thank you for the details! SaveAmerica Jul 2013 #175

Wait!!! Where has this guy been in the last 2 weeks for the PA?! String Z up now!.... uponit7771 Jul 2013 #93

Save the best for last, what you want the jurors to remember. SaveAmerica Jul 2013 #168

This guy is blowing me away Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #94

I hope that he does the closing statement. avebury Jul 2013 #95

AMEN....you can hear a pin drop in that court room uponit7771 Jul 2013 #97

is the jury out for this process? Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #99

Yes - Unfortunately. avebury Jul 2013 #100

it's a preview of their closing statement Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #101

Yes, basically his client is a damn liar and it's for the jury to decide uponit7771 Jul 2013 #102

the precedents cited by the prosecution were devastating to the defense, I thought Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #108

That's not what he said. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #111

�...a righteous shoot�... TeeYiYi Jul 2013 #117

That is the tem used for justified shootings, GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #121

No, really they can't. They have gun on the brain all the time. JimDandy Jul 2013 #128

You do understand RGR375 Jul 2013 #119

no, I don't Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #124

I disagree Gothmog Jul 2013 #129

Not coming from me RGR375 Jul 2013 #133

what toxicology reports? they never did any on zimmerman noiretextatique Jul 2013 #183

How so? ellisonz Jul 2013 #130

Both Omara and Knock Knock get on my last nerve. avebury Jul 2013 #103

watching the judge has been interesting.. she seems to find them annoying too. Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #105

I totally agree. I would be so irritated if I were on the jury. avebury Jul 2013 #107

+1!!! LOL " ... nobody heard 50 screams..."!!!! uponit7771 Jul 2013 #96

I missed today's procededings. Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #135

John Guy Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #136

If you can post a link, that would be great. Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #140

no luck so far but it's bound to be posted someplace.. it was so good Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #141

try this link Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #142

I believe it was the other guy - Richard Mantei. nt avebury Jul 2013 #139

Mantei - and he was brilliant. Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #143

Motion for Judgement of Aquital denied. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #109

Defense had a DECENT rebutal but left out a lot of gating issues with their clients credibit uponit7771 Jul 2013 #110

Now the defense starts. Z's Mom takes the stand. N/T GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #112

And the inevitable "me too" Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #113

Oh - so no "you need that to be your son" Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #115

OMG He's going to have Z's mom identify the voice senseandsensibility Jul 2013 #114

Which Mom will the jury believe? N/T GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #116

Noe the uncle claims to not know the TV is talking about his nephew Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #118

I wonder of its the same uncle Nevernose Jul 2013 #125

Nice find. Hoyt Jul 2013 #127

Wow! Guessing she won't be called. Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #145

Additional proof that Z is a sleazeball... GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #149

Now George's Uncle claims the scream is George's. N/T GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #120

Of course the family members will say it is george Marrah_G Jul 2013 #122

And that argument can be applied to Martin's mother and half brother just as well. n/t Lurks Often Jul 2013 #123

Yes it can Marrah_G Jul 2013 #126

The unsaid testimony pintobean Jul 2013 #144

The Uncle, being LEO, carries added weight to his testimony. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #154

George Zimmerman's uncle is full of shit... PennsylvaniaMatt Jul 2013 #131

I think the jury will see through it also Marrah_G Jul 2013 #146

Is a mid-trial press conference normal? Nevernose Jul 2013 #134

The advantage in scream recognition is with the defense. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #147

I'm so white I'm translucent Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #150

"thought the shot went wide" how did I miss that? arcane1 Jul 2013 #151

Yes - he claimed in original questioning Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #153

"I thought the shot went wide, and he said 'you got me' to psych me out" arcane1 Jul 2013 #155

Medical examiner testified that TM lived for one to ten minutes... GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #157

With 2 holes in his heart, bleeding out into his own lung Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #161

If you are shot in the chest, it is like getting hit with a baseball bat. You hurt all over. uppityperson Jul 2013 #165

Not always. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #177

And if you are already dead you don't move at all. Or if his legs were amputated he won't run.Or if uppityperson Jul 2013 #180

None of what you said is a rebuttal of my post. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #152

Holy Christ Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #156

Sabrina Fulton is not on the jury. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #159

And I am talking about your comments directed toward race Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #163

+1000 noiretextatique Jul 2013 #186

because it was martin who was screaming for help noiretextatique Jul 2013 #185

A lot of people think cops are full of shit. Starry Messenger Jul 2013 #170

How many of the jury are cop haters? GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #176

nonsense...i bet martin's family are not fond of the sanford police department noiretextatique Jul 2013 #187

Martin's family aren't on the jury. N/T GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #190

only a fool would believe that noiretextatique Jul 2013 #184

Zimmerman claims his nose and mouth were covered, with blood running back into his throat. Jim__ Jul 2013 #188

yep...he is a liar noiretextatique Jul 2013 #189

Brown Uncle and Mother of George the Racist...... korak Jul 2013 #148