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35. I 100% agree with you. It just sucks there was not a witness. n-t

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Fri Jul 5, 2013, 12:50 PM

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You cannot initiate the confrontation, start getting your ass kicked, and then decide to shoot..... [View all] Logical Jul 2013 OP

There's another thread today where the exact opposite is said to be justification, and vehemently. maxsolomon Jul 2013 #1

By Florida law you can... dkf Jul 2013 #2

That's what this whole thing is about, the horrible law that makes murder legal. Kablooie Jul 2013 #5

That's not true cthulu2016 Jul 2013 #9

subjective meaning. it is a horrible law. if you don't admit that Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #11

Learning some law would help you here cthulu2016 Jul 2013 #15

"Reasonable" seems to have different values base on the races involved and court's locality. Kablooie Jul 2013 #24

Zimmerman should also have heeded your advice also LanternWaste Jul 2013 #27

If it's a "horrible" law, so is every single other state's law. They *all* say "reasonable". sir pball Jul 2013 #21

I concede "horrible" was a poor choice of adjective. Kablooie Jul 2013 #28

It does, but I don't think there's a better answer unless sir pball Jul 2013 #37

The traditional definition of civilian self-defense has a "duty to retreat" component. Kablooie Jul 2013 #38

DTR and "reasonable" are generally unrelated. sir pball Jul 2013 #39

Reasonable Just Saying Jul 2013 #30

This is likely what Trayvon was doing. Just Saying Jul 2013 #6

Since the "reasonable belief" that you were in danger of death or great bodily harm is really no_hypocrisy Jul 2013 #7

if no one is around� you don't even have to "start losing". If it's just 2 people you can initiate a KittyWampus Jul 2013 #18

This is where it is hard to believe Zimmerman had a reasonable belief of him imminent death treestar Jul 2013 #22

Horrible law. Lizzie Poppet Jul 2013 #41

Actually you can. Go read the Florida statutes on self defense. nt hack89 Jul 2013 #3

"You cannot initiate the confrontation, start getting your ass kicked, and then decide to shoot.." etherealtruth Jul 2013 #4

Making up laws as you imagine them is a rather silly hobby cthulu2016 Jul 2013 #8

May I assume your belief is that the law was designed to apply to a situation such as this? etherealtruth Jul 2013 #14

Ahhh....some one is grumpy! Nap time for you! Here is picture for you.... Logical Jul 2013 #31

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Based on that post, you seem to be on precisely Zimmerman's moral level cthulu2016 Jul 2013 #12

no. I don't carry a loaded weapon and walk around looking for trouble Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #13

FWIW, I see that hidden post as predicting the future, not hoping for someone to die. uppityperson Jul 2013 #19

That was a silly hide treestar Jul 2013 #25

So you are advocating for the murder of another human being. You are a real class act. n/t Lurks Often Jul 2013 #16

Whoops, premium Jul 2013 #20

So, are you advocating for the murder of Zimmerman? premium Jul 2013 #17

He initiated the confrontation by stalking him. Warren Stupidity Jul 2013 #23

Zimmerman's story does not hold up Gothmog Jul 2013 #26

There is certainly reasonable doubt as to whether Zimmerman initiated the confrontation. Vattel Jul 2013 #29

Yes, only because no one saw him do it. n-t Logical Jul 2013 #32

Okay, but the keep in mind that the prosecution Vattel Jul 2013 #33

I 100% agree with you. It just sucks there was not a witness. n-t Logical Jul 2013 #35

I agree with the OP. HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #34

stated as such, sure you can. it all depends on the facts unblock Jul 2013 #36

It depends on what you mean by "initiate" NickB79 Jul 2013 #40