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58. The jury decided. You lose.

Fri Jul 5, 2013, 01:08 PM

Jul 2013

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Ahhhh....whining about the DU. I guess "discussion board" is hard for you to understand. I agree....
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I've never seen so many fucking armchair prosecutors in my life [View all] CatWoman Jul 2013 OP

The utter contempt for law by people here who "know" stuff is sickening cthulu2016 Jul 2013 #1

ah CatWoman Jul 2013 #6

But we don't know what we don't know, so how do we know? :) nt Honeycombe8 Jul 2013 #25

stop it!!! CatWoman Jul 2013 #28

It's amazing how often we see what the law "should" be... Pelican Jul 2013 #52

they think they're opinion is the only one that counts, and to contradict them you have their demosincebirth Jul 2013 #90

Hear Hear, Ma'am! The Magistrate Jul 2013 #2

Ah yes, the old "Falsus in uno" warrant46 Jul 2013 #61

I'd bet serious money that the judge does NOT give the jury this particular instruction. kestrel91316 Jul 2013 #67

It Will Certainly Come Up In Closing Argument, Ma'am The Magistrate Jul 2013 #104

Agreed. To the best of my knowledge it is not part of the model Florida criminal jury instructions onenote Jul 2013 #241

That Could Be An Instruction??? RobinA Jul 2013 #226

Common Law Is What It Is, Ma'am The Magistrate Jul 2013 #232

Again, instructing jurors they "should" disregard the entirety of a witness' testimony is outdated onenote Jul 2013 #242

Fair Enough, Sir The Magistrate Jul 2013 #243

I'ma gonna go out on a limb here... Cooley Hurd Jul 2013 #3

And you would be flat out wrong. NutmegYankee Jul 2013 #7

How am I wrong, friend? Cooley Hurd Jul 2013 #8

Because I very much want Zimmerman convicted, and I support the 2nd Amendment. NutmegYankee Jul 2013 #10

You're the exception then, not the rule. Cooley Hurd Jul 2013 #13

Not true, premium Jul 2013 #30

Good for you. However, you're not on trial, George Zimmerman is. Cooley Hurd Jul 2013 #43

True, premium Jul 2013 #78

If Zimmerman walks... Cooley Hurd Jul 2013 #83

yay... race riots for everyone! n/t ProdigalJunkMail Jul 2013 #88

Maybe it's warranted? Cooley Hurd Jul 2013 #89

because you have been sold on one thinking by the media ProdigalJunkMail Jul 2013 #94

An innocent black teenager is dead. Cooley Hurd Jul 2013 #98

aside from your preconceptions ProdigalJunkMail Jul 2013 #110

I have facts. You have hopes... Cooley Hurd Jul 2013 #111

and THAT is the only thing that matters to you ProdigalJunkMail Jul 2013 #115

Facts are important. Cooley Hurd Jul 2013 #117

yep... and you point to one as the only one that matters ProdigalJunkMail Jul 2013 #118

A fact is a fact. As my hero Pat Moynihan said: Cooley Hurd Jul 2013 #128

or to elevate one fact to the dismissal of others ProdigalJunkMail Jul 2013 #131

That fact has not been disputed. The others have been. Cooley Hurd Jul 2013 #132

and that is the reason for a trial ProdigalJunkMail Jul 2013 #138

Trials are hardly the final arbiter of truth... Cooley Hurd Jul 2013 #141

but they ARE the arbiter of guilt... ProdigalJunkMail Jul 2013 #151

When verdicts are wrong, damn-straight they are. Cooley Hurd Jul 2013 #153

nope... just wrong ProdigalJunkMail Jul 2013 #157

So... you're against protest in general? Cooley Hurd Jul 2013 #158

you are supporting fucking rioting ... not the same... n/t ProdigalJunkMail Jul 2013 #163

I'm supporting JUSTICE. Whether meted by a government or otherwise. Cooley Hurd Jul 2013 #166

Rioting, with the resulting death and destruction, premium Jul 2013 #170

If you knew what "justice" was... Cooley Hurd Jul 2013 #175

So what's your solution? premium Jul 2013 #179

There should be professional juries. Overseen by those who are schooled in criminal law. Cooley Hurd Jul 2013 #184

Wow, just wow!!! premium Jul 2013 #190

Yes. They don't understand law. They go by emotion. Cooley Hurd Jul 2013 #192

That's not my experience with juries premium Jul 2013 #194

Okay then. In what capacity have you testified? Cooley Hurd Jul 2013 #196

As a Federal Law Enforcement Officer. nt. premium Jul 2013 #201

Gotcha. Cooley Hurd Jul 2013 #204

For the record, premium Jul 2013 #211

Then we have reached common ground. Cooley Hurd Jul 2013 #212

Which is always a good thing. premium Jul 2013 #217

if anyone "went by emotion" Skittles Jul 2013 #236

And you have now admitted to opposing the 6th Amendment. NutmegYankee Jul 2013 #199

The 6th amendment went on the assumption that juries could be "non-biased" Cooley Hurd Jul 2013 #202

Ah, because small villages and towns in the 18th Century were FAR better. NutmegYankee Jul 2013 #205

...or with Twitter, Facebook, et. al. Cooley Hurd Jul 2013 #207

In other words you support vigilantism? Ironic considering what Zimmerman is accused of. NutmegYankee Jul 2013 #195

I'm in favor of justice in the face of facts. Cooley Hurd Jul 2013 #198

And yet the court system and a Jury are the arbiters of fact. NutmegYankee Jul 2013 #203

I'm advocating for justice when justice is not served. Cooley Hurd Jul 2013 #206

nope... you're in favor of riots when you disagree with a lawfully obtained verdict ProdigalJunkMail Jul 2013 #250

I am who? Cooley Hurd Jul 2013 #252

Peaceful protest? No, premium Jul 2013 #167

The Chinese thought that the man in front of the tank was a "riot". Cooley Hurd Jul 2013 #169

What does the Chinese have to do with this? premium Jul 2013 #174

You seem to have an issue with my explanation of "protest" Cooley Hurd Jul 2013 #177

No, my problem is that you seem to indicate premium Jul 2013 #181

The wrong verdict would be acquittal. Cooley Hurd Jul 2013 #185

Acquittal would not be the wrong verdict premium Jul 2013 #193

you're in favor of riots if the justice served is not YOUR idea of justice ProdigalJunkMail Jul 2013 #251

Did you just wake up from a nap? Cooley Hurd Jul 2013 #254

no... i went to a movie with my family ProdigalJunkMail Jul 2013 #258

Yes. Yes I did. Cooley Hurd Jul 2013 #262

given this... ProdigalJunkMail Jul 2013 #265

You're easy to laugh at, junkmail... Cooley Hurd Jul 2013 #267

oh no... i am not attacking you ProdigalJunkMail Jul 2013 #269

No, just another PA from a weak-minded 2nd Amendment supporter. Cooley Hurd Jul 2013 #274

Protest is wrong! Follow the glorious leaders! Cooley Hurd Jul 2013 #164

ah now standing up to the gov't in a protest is the same as rioting... ProdigalJunkMail Jul 2013 #165

No, just your interpretation of justice. Cooley Hurd Jul 2013 #168

Another hero, uncelebrated, was the driver and tank commander of the lead tank. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #215

I'm sure he wasn't promoted... Cooley Hurd Jul 2013 #216

Lucky if he avoided a work camp. N/T GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #220

Really? premium Jul 2013 #162

Thanks for posting this premium. amandabeech Jul 2013 #233

My pleasure. nt. premium Jul 2013 #235

ALL the facts are important... ProdigalJunkMail Jul 2013 #260

Prejudice? The dead man was unarmed. Cooley Hurd Jul 2013 #280

go look up prejudice and then see where yours lies n/t ProdigalJunkMail Jul 2013 #282

Apparently, you need to do the same. Cooley Hurd Jul 2013 #285

keyboard won't reach. NM_Birder Jul 2013 #257

You would have no problem with the death and destruction that might premium Jul 2013 #97

We're talking FACTS here... Cooley Hurd Jul 2013 #109

you conveniently leave out all the detail ProdigalJunkMail Jul 2013 #112

So, you're ok with the death and destruction that might follow premium Jul 2013 #119

Anger would be justified, but violence against innocent people would not. NutmegYankee Jul 2013 #126

Hold on wercal Jul 2013 #221

"Trayvon Martin was walking home from a convenience store carrying candy and iced tea." Cooley Hurd Jul 2013 #223

You don't know? wercal Jul 2013 #225

I've called for justice if justice is NOT served. Cooley Hurd Jul 2013 #227

Understood wercal Jul 2013 #229

you still using the word 'protester' ProdigalJunkMail Jul 2013 #248

Name calling? Cooley Hurd Jul 2013 #249

nope ... just facts ProdigalJunkMail Jul 2013 #256

How was your nap? Did you dream of armed Zimmermans? Cooley Hurd Jul 2013 #259

no... i had a fun afternoon with my family ProdigalJunkMail Jul 2013 #261

Yes. Yes I did. Cooley Hurd Jul 2013 #263

TMI. nt NutmegYankee Jul 2013 #277

How many Reginald Dennys.... FormalObserver Jul 2013 #147

Welcome to DU! Cooley Hurd Jul 2013 #149

Thank you FormalObserver Jul 2013 #155

I will support any community activity that serves as a backlash to the failure of the justice system Cooley Hurd Jul 2013 #156

58 people died as a direct result of the LA Riots and that was OK with you? ProdigalJunkMail Jul 2013 #161

If the courts did their job correctly... Cooley Hurd Jul 2013 #186

so, you're still ok with innocent people dying... ProdigalJunkMail Jul 2013 #253

Wakey wakey, junkmail... Cooley Hurd Jul 2013 #255

to bad you missed the movie... ProdigalJunkMail Jul 2013 #264

After that family-fun-filled movie... Cooley Hurd Jul 2013 #266

no... disappointed to find you ProdigalJunkMail Jul 2013 #268

If Zim skates, the LAW-ABIDING community will have EVERY reason to RIOT! Cooley Hurd Jul 2013 #271

i own no firearms... ProdigalJunkMail Jul 2013 #273

Your "assumptions" remind me of a great scene from "The Odd Couple" Cooley Hurd Jul 2013 #278

ok... i have no more time to play on the intertubes with hypocrites ProdigalJunkMail Jul 2013 #281

Well at least you're not backing off of this anymore wercal Jul 2013 #279

Is Trayvon's corpse NOT enough for you??? Cooley Hurd Jul 2013 #283

Oh no...no...no wercal Jul 2013 #294

I called you a name? Cooley Hurd Jul 2013 #295

Including those that may cause death and destruction? Duckwraps Jul 2013 #228

he... that's pretty good n/t ProdigalJunkMail Jul 2013 #270

LA Riots killed 53 people wercal Jul 2013 #230

That won't happen. ellisonz Jul 2013 #171

...and that might be the modern Boston Massacre. Cooley Hurd Jul 2013 #180

...and zombie Paul Revere might rise from the dead ellisonz Jul 2013 #187

Wow... you don't know Mr Revere, do you... Cooley Hurd Jul 2013 #191

Hey as long as we're dealing with hypotheticals... ellisonz Jul 2013 #197

It should be. Cooley Hurd Jul 2013 #200

Were there riots immediately following the acquittal of 6 of the 8 soldiers that fired on civilians onenote Jul 2013 #244

Actually, that could make it worse. NutmegYankee Jul 2013 #189

This is America. ellisonz Jul 2013 #210

Understood. NutmegYankee Jul 2013 #213

A modern race riot would be very different from 21 years ago. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #219

Even if WovenGems Jul 2013 #121

They could, premium Jul 2013 #123

Nope WovenGems Jul 2013 #125

Wrong, premium Jul 2013 #127

Yes And No, Ma'am The Magistrate Jul 2013 #218

Not true Duckwraps Jul 2013 #129

Why is it the anti gun people are the only ones equating firearms with sex? Lurks Often Jul 2013 #18

If you own and covet a gun... Cooley Hurd Jul 2013 #21

Along with about 100 million other Americans n/t Lurks Often Jul 2013 #24

Yep. That's why the 2nd Amendment is under review... Cooley Hurd Jul 2013 #40

Yes and most of the court cases are clear wins for the gun owners n/t Lurks Often Jul 2013 #62

Blaming gun owners for Holmes and Lanza is like blaming Protestors (using the 1st) for Fred Phelps. NutmegYankee Jul 2013 #66

You, as a gun owner, should be RAILING against the NRA and others for fucking up the 2nd Amendment Cooley Hurd Jul 2013 #81

So you don't understand why people defend a CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT? NutmegYankee Jul 2013 #101

You have the right to carry a confederate flag or wear a swastika, but Hoyt Jul 2013 #154

Ah, Mr. Hoyt, the arbiter of the Norm. NutmegYankee Jul 2013 #160

So you approve of confederate flags, etc. Rights don't have to be exercised. Hoyt Jul 2013 #172

I will refer back to the quote usually attributed to Fran�ois-Marie Arouet NutmegYankee Jul 2013 #183

Meh, premium Jul 2013 #272

the 2nd is under review?cool backwoodsbob Jul 2013 #77

Certainly not by the government - which should be happening... Cooley Hurd Jul 2013 #106

The 2nd Amendment is under review? premium Jul 2013 #102

The last 7 months, since Sandy Hook... Cooley Hurd Jul 2013 #108

You supply a link to the google search engine as evidence" premium Jul 2013 #114

The 4th is apparently under review too...unbeknownst to we the people. dkf Jul 2013 #130

No Kidding! NutmegYankee Jul 2013 #133

The 4th and the 1st haven't lead to mass killings. Cooley Hurd Jul 2013 #134

Well there are citizens who have been targeted with drones. dkf Jul 2013 #136

The 1st has led to many mass killings. NutmegYankee Jul 2013 #137

Maybe only out loud. eom uppityperson Jul 2013 #68

I haven't seen anyone hoping for an acquittal. There have been a lot of posters expressing his guilt Honeycombe8 Jul 2013 #42

An unarmed person walking home from a convenience store... Cooley Hurd Jul 2013 #47

+1 000 000 000 kestrel91316 Jul 2013 #70

Look at the evidence. Key point: Did TM attack GZ? If so, not a slam dunk. Honeycombe8 Jul 2013 #82

Who fucking started it??? Cooley Hurd Jul 2013 #87

"Who f____ing started it" is not an element of 2nd degree murder in Florida. Honeycombe8 Jul 2013 #92

Who FUCKING started it? Cooley Hurd Jul 2013 #95

Read up on the elements of the law that are needed to be proven in the case. Honeycombe8 Jul 2013 #214

+1. They suppport Zimmy for several reasons, including they acquired their weapons and permits Hoyt Jul 2013 #79

That's a racist thing to say. nt Honeycombe8 Jul 2013 #86

How so? yardwork Jul 2013 #99

You only state that because of GZ's race...you state that based on some preconceived idea you Honeycombe8 Jul 2013 #116

The subject is Zimmerman supporters. yardwork Jul 2013 #124

Do you honestly think Martin would have grabbed his gun and taken off after a skinny white kid? Hoyt Jul 2013 #135

So it's okay to call a white a derogatory term under certain circumstances, but not okay Honeycombe8 Jul 2013 #159

How Do Us White Folks Manage To Bear Up, Ma'am, Under All This Oppression? The Magistrate Jul 2013 #224

of course it is the gun humpers Skittles Jul 2013 #122

And yet the sub-thread above contradicts that premise. nt NutmegYankee Jul 2013 #140

but by your own description, you are not a gun humper Skittles Jul 2013 #144

Given the extreme levels of hate, what is the difference? NutmegYankee Jul 2013 #146

those whose fear and ignorance trumps all Skittles Jul 2013 #150

Unfortunately, it appears that many posters are a bit more broad in scope NutmegYankee Jul 2013 #176

I suspect those folk have never been around guns Skittles Jul 2013 #245

Interpretation is the debate. NutmegYankee Jul 2013 #247

DU is infested with "experts" on every topic you could imagine... TreasonousBastard Jul 2013 #4

And you know all posters' experience, education, and knowledge, how? WinkyDink Jul 2013 #48

I agree. I cannot watch the trial, Laurian Jul 2013 #5

Amazing how certain people are willing to be about their opinions treestar Jul 2013 #9

lets make a bet treestar backwoodsbob Jul 2013 #38

I do not deserve that treestar Jul 2013 #72

lets just be happy they are not all on the federal payroll or our taxes would go up dembotoz Jul 2013 #11

Har-de-har-HAR. Taxes might go up! Gee, what Party usually screams about taxes? WinkyDink Jul 2013 #50

Welcome to the internet AgingAmerican Jul 2013 #12

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whoa!!!!!!!!!!!!! CatWoman Jul 2013 #17

LOL, I just agreed with you. That bothers you? Alert it. Let the jury decide. Logical Jul 2013 #27

Post removed Post removed Jul 2013 #32

Ahh...more whining about the DU. And you hurt my feelings calling me a POS. I am sad now! n-t Logical Jul 2013 #37

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Aaaaand the jury has decided... Sheldon Cooper Jul 2013 #57

The jury decided. You lose. demwing Jul 2013 #58

You didn't have to. I did... Cooley Hurd Jul 2013 #51

Odd, that you desire a jury of your peers to judge somebody speech. NM_Birder Jul 2013 #284

Hi! Cooley Hurd Jul 2013 #286

Thanks ! NM_Birder Jul 2013 #287

Cat Woman didn't shoot anyone, nor did the responent to her OP. Cooley Hurd Jul 2013 #289

Not sure "I" know what you mean there, the jury comments were yours. NM_Birder Jul 2013 #292

My concern is that justice is served. Cooley Hurd Jul 2013 #293

You won...Logical's poison missive was hidden. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2013 #53

"Logical" Skittles Jul 2013 #143

it is NOT discussing... ProdigalJunkMail Jul 2013 #20

LOL, where did I say there should not be a trial. And I said I bet he gets off. You know.... Logical Jul 2013 #29

not you... YOU ProdigalJunkMail Jul 2013 #36

If the jury finds "not guilty," he won't be "getting off." He'll be declared not guilty.... Honeycombe8 Jul 2013 #56

The lesser charge of Manslaughter is included in all FL 2nd Degree Murder charges by default /nt demwing Jul 2013 #74

Ah. I see. If I had to guess NOW, that'd be my guess of the way the evidence is shaping up. Honeycombe8 Jul 2013 #96

oh, damn, looks like someone got your rudeness hidden ProdigalJunkMail Jul 2013 #63

You could also just stop being rude and calling people "stupid" demwing Jul 2013 #65

Awww, so sad. WinkyDink Jul 2013 #54

thank you for your contribution ProdigalJunkMail Jul 2013 #60

I can't believe how many grown-ups are griping about posting styles re: this trial. But hey: WinkyDink Jul 2013 #80

i judged you on the content of your contribution ProdigalJunkMail Jul 2013 #85

yep... everyone KNOWS that their 'slam dunk' ProdigalJunkMail Jul 2013 #15

I've been passing over all of those threads. MineralMan Jul 2013 #16

Whatever. But there is NOTHING SUPERIOR about that approach. WinkyDink Jul 2013 #39

Did I say there was? I just don't follow MineralMan Jul 2013 #45

In the context of an affirmative reply to the OP, it is implied. WinkyDink Jul 2013 #59

Not really. You inferred it. I didn't imply it. MineralMan Jul 2013 #69

I didn't pipi_k Jul 2013 #100

Not nearly as many as there are armchair presidents (nt) The Straight Story Jul 2013 #19

... Phentex Jul 2013 #22

that's the second time someone has made me spit water all over my monitor CatWoman Jul 2013 #23

good one Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #26

+1 tallahasseedem Jul 2013 #276

So it's your position that one must not discuss any trial as it is occurring? WinkyDink Jul 2013 #31

I never said that CatWoman Jul 2013 #34

Then exactly what DOES your pejorative term mean? WinkyDink Jul 2013 #41

I said I've never seen so many armchair prosecutors CatWoman Jul 2013 #49

Well, there is a leetle descriptive term you've nicely omitted. So: WinkyDink Jul 2013 #76

one must not discuss any subject unless they hold at least a masters in it Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #35

Asst. Prosecuting Atty., criminal appellate division, Ohio 2003-2011. nt Deep13 Jul 2013 #33

Ah who are you kidding! Just Saying Jul 2013 #44

I am enjoying the discussion CatWoman Jul 2013 #55

Lol Just Saying Jul 2013 #71

LOL malaise Jul 2013 #46

Defense lawyers too... LanternWaste Jul 2013 #64

This ^^^ Just Saying Jul 2013 #93

It's like pipi_k Jul 2013 #75

Where is there a post calling the cops and defense attorneys racist? WinkyDink Jul 2013 #84

I've seen a couple. pipi_k Jul 2013 #113

Sadly I must state Duckwraps Jul 2013 #91

Your Posts Say A LOT About You HangOnKids Jul 2013 #148

Naaa. Duckwraps Jul 2013 #173

Stuff Your Beer Cheer HangOnKids Jul 2013 #178

What? I don't understand what you mean, please explain. Duckwraps Jul 2013 #222

Which ones? Pab Sungenis Jul 2013 #103

I think that that Duckwraps Jul 2013 #145

Kind of figured. Pab Sungenis Jul 2013 #239

Yes I am new here and the outrage on the part of some has really amazed me. Duckwraps Jul 2013 #240

OMFG!!!!! premium Jul 2013 #105

I actually like the guy. avebury Jul 2013 #209

I've avoided them, elleng Jul 2013 #107

you want I should kick some armchair prosecutor ass, girl??? Skittles Jul 2013 #120

Your Honor Duer 157099 Jul 2013 #139

Or armchair quarterbacks, politicians, scientists, critics or anything else. Orsino Jul 2013 #142

ROFL alcibiades_mystery Jul 2013 #152

Oh, there you go, now you got SKittles all riled up!!!!!!!!!! Marrah_G Jul 2013 #182

. Cooley Hurd Jul 2013 #188

you want I should kick your blessing humanist ass, Cooley Hurd? Skittles Jul 2013 #237

They are rooting for Zimmerman to get off free of charge. Rex Jul 2013 #208

They're not all racists Just Saying Jul 2013 #291

2 things we know regardless of the outcome of the trial. DrewFlorida Jul 2013 #231

It does seem to be the same people thread by thread. Major Hogwash Jul 2013 #234

TV creates them by focusing on emotional things like trials Corruption Inc Jul 2013 #238

Yeah, imagine people on a discussion board having opinions!! Myrina Jul 2013 #246

It's obvious Zimmerman murdered TM and lied about it. Apophis Jul 2013 #275

I am against the death penalty. In all circumstances. Cooley Hurd Jul 2013 #288

Touch�. Apophis Jul 2013 #296

Gets the chair? premium Jul 2013 #290