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MADem

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105. You 'don't care' that Snowden hasn't proven his case. It sounds good, so that's

Fri Jul 5, 2013, 04:12 PM

Jul 2013

enough for you.

What's the difference between that sounding good, and a Kenyan birth certificate sounding good?

You are conflating people having a problem with Snowden's bullshit with a complacency that doesn't exist about the tone and susbstance of an intelligence program. The "it's not about Snooooooowden" whining is entirely off the mark--it is about him, because he's telling half truths, conflating, and who knows what he ran off with? If he has the names of contacts within those "freedom loving" regimes of China and Russia, people could be KILLED. That's something to care about.

And this isn't a "conservatives v. liberals" issue. If it were, Al Franken would be screaming for Snowden to be greeted as a liberator. He's not doing that. Fox and Friends would be screaming for his head--they're not doing that.

Trying to draw this matter along simplistic ideological lines is where you're screwing it all up--there are plenty of conservatives who want to canonize Snowden as a living saint after they finish buying up a few thousand guns for their personal arsenals and then drowning the entire government--to include social security and medicare--in the bathtub.

As for Snowden--his own words are what are being used against him. His attitudes, his behaviors. His comments on Ars Technica are very revealing, and not in a good way. He's not anyone I'd want to associate with. A very selfish and immature young man, IMO, to say nothing of a world class liar.

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Sliding into the prototypical "Ugly American" mindset [View all] cali Jul 2013 OP

Would that so-called Democrats would be a bit less nasty to their own President.... nt MADem Jul 2013 #1

Not something I'm engaging in. I criticize policies and focus on them cali Jul 2013 #3

It's responsive--it's the other side of that coin. MADem Jul 2013 #16

fine. I have no problem condemning comments that degrade the President. cali Jul 2013 #23

I don't play silly tit for tat games, I simply point out hypocrisies. MADem Jul 2013 #29

Bullshit. zeemike Jul 2013 #38

+1 and cali Jul 2013 #45

Someone actually said that and MuseRider Jul 2013 #82

Please Don't! cali Jul 2013 #86

I say this a lot anymore MuseRider Jul 2013 #95

The only thing that has changed is that the "mods" aren't cleaning up the mess and making MADem Jul 2013 #115

Well, let's see.... MADem Jul 2013 #72

right. hip hip hooray for ugly comments. fuck south america. this is cali Jul 2013 #89

Way to completely miss the point I was advancing. MADem Jul 2013 #121

it is YOU who misses CALI's point. AmBlue Jul 2013 #137

Oh please. Dial it down five notches. No plane was forced down. MADem Jul 2013 #141

Okay... you go on gushing about our emperor's fine suit of silk. AmBlue Jul 2013 #144

Listen to you, talking about "our emperor" on a Democratic message board! MADem Jul 2013 #147

Ever heard of an analogy? AmBlue Jul 2013 #152

Yes, good idea--no need to let anything that doesn't match your world view disturb your MADem Jul 2013 #153

Well to paraphrase a quote of a famous person zeemike Jul 2013 #90

Look, I'm not the one calling anyone a tin pot dictator, even though there MADem Jul 2013 #93

Well you do realize that Morales and Chavez were both elected in a democratic election don;t you? zeemike Jul 2013 #96

I realize that Chavez changed the rules to retain power, and Morales did as well. MADem Jul 2013 #99

You mean like the GOP changed the rules zeemike Jul 2013 #104

Oh, the "they did it too" excuse? Really? And you go back over MADem Jul 2013 #107

That was not my point at all. zeemike Jul 2013 #119

Whenever it's changed to give the SAME GUY continued power, I look askance. MADem Jul 2013 #123

I don't know what TMI is zeemike Jul 2013 #129

Too much information. It's a rather standard phrase. MADem Jul 2013 #142

The phrase I know zeemike Jul 2013 #145

No one is trying to discredit you. MADem Jul 2013 #146

Well I have never been given the third degree about it before zeemike Jul 2013 #149

It's not the third degree--it's simply a logical question which arose from your own assertions. nt MADem Jul 2013 #150

Which you found suspicious zeemike Jul 2013 #151

No--I simply noted that your assertion(s) didn't match your join date. MADem Jul 2013 #154

All facts that you care about. zeemike Jul 2013 #155

Does the fact that he doesn't have a Congress that will pass the laws he'd like to implement matter MADem Jul 2013 #157

Yes those facts matter to me zeemike Jul 2013 #158

+1 AmBlue Jul 2013 #138

It would be helpful in furthering the discussion on this site dgibby Jul 2013 #118

Yes, and it would also be nice if people could disagree "honestly" without using personal MADem Jul 2013 #124

Why do you even bother?? THESE PEOPLE SEE WHAT THEY WANT TO SEE Number23 Jul 2013 #134

Yes indeed. MADem Jul 2013 #156

"our first black POTUS" magellan Jul 2013 #106

Not make exceptions--just give him the same damn consideration. MADem Jul 2013 #108

I hold him to the same standards I hold any president. magellan Jul 2013 #110

If the shoe does not fit you, don't cram it on your foot and then pout at me about it. MADem Jul 2013 #111

Just reading through this thread, as I do before deciding to comment magellan Jul 2013 #112

That struck me too. Stands out like a sore thumb. n/t dgibby Jul 2013 #113

Just as it stands out like a sore thumb when he's treated differently by posters here. nt MADem Jul 2013 #127

I see distress over Pres. Obama's POLICIES, not the person Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #133

Really, I haven't seen anyone trying to bring some facts to this conversation denigrating the Cleita Jul 2013 #47

Give us this day our daily bread--when does a week go by that someone isn't MADem Jul 2013 #101

If that's what is happening to you maybe you need to update your ignore list. Cleita Jul 2013 #128

I don't do ignore. I just don't see the point of it. MADem Jul 2013 #148

It's good to see you are condemning that kind of ugliness, which I'm sure you are sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #163

Morales is loving the publicity--can't you tell? This is the best thing that ever could have MADem Jul 2013 #166

You didn't answer the question, but so be it, I will draw my own conclusions. sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #168

It's good to see you are condemning that kind of ugliness, which I'm sure you are sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #163

When criticism of the issue is interpreted as criticism of the person Pholus Jul 2013 #5

When criticism of the person gets denigrating and insulting, issues get pushed to the background. MADem Jul 2013 #14

Get thee hence to the rest of DU sibelian Jul 2013 #24

I cannot improve on this. Pholus Jul 2013 #28

+1 cali Jul 2013 #31

Young padawan...? MADem Jul 2013 #32

Psssst....some kids just walked on your lawn while you were busy hating on Harry Potter. DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2013 #135

I don't "hate" Harry Potter one bit. MADem Jul 2013 #140

I'm 44 and looking in both directions DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2013 #143

Well, I'm considerably older than you. You could be my kid. MADem Jul 2013 #180

+1 LWolf Jul 2013 #37

Well said and exactly Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #39

+1 truebluegreen Jul 2013 #41

But it was okay to insult and denigrate Bush, right? kurtzapril4 Jul 2013 #43

Well that's where American Exceptualizm steps in ...but we're not going to start denigrating Satan! L0oniX Jul 2013 #56

Are you unclear as to the TOS of this website? MADem Jul 2013 #91

Not. At. All. Pholus Jul 2013 #102

You're trying to create a false construct, that suggests that anyone who MADem Jul 2013 #109

No different than the "Snowden, Snowden, Snowden" construct. Pholus Jul 2013 #114

Snowden's girlfriend is a key to the man. MADem Jul 2013 #126

Repeat: the man is not relevant. Pholus Jul 2013 #132

He's entirely relevant. You are ready and willing to believe everything he says, without evidence. MADem Jul 2013 #139

And you are conflating Pholus Jul 2013 #159

No, I'm not. MADem Jul 2013 #160

yes you are Pholus Jul 2013 #161

Well, we can play that game all day, but I'll just refer you back to my last post. nt MADem Jul 2013 #162

cool we are done. post 159 has the main point. Pholus Jul 2013 #169

"Unamerican" secrets-BAD. "Unrussian" secrets, or "Unchinese" secrets--good? MADem Jul 2013 #172

Hey the only reason national dragnets are secrets Pholus Jul 2013 #174

Whatever that word salad means..."LOL" ... nt MADem Jul 2013 #181

Huh. Seemed simple enough. But reading standards ARE in decline. Pholus Jul 2013 #191

Well, that's not true at all. MADem Jul 2013 #192

You may find this difficult to believe, dgibby Jul 2013 #120

How nice for you and those like you. Perhaps you can exhort the Hate Obama First Club to MADem Jul 2013 #122

Are you unclear about the Democratic Party's promises to those who voted for them? sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #170

You can't do shit without Congress. I guess that's a concept that is tough for you to grasp? MADem Jul 2013 #171

Why are you always so angry? And so very wrong? Anger blinds people. It makes them sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #175

Check your mirror. I am not angry. I'm very mellow, in fact. Quite content, today, especially. MADem Jul 2013 #178

Ooooh, 'it's noticed'. Really, by whom? The NSA? Shouldn't they be looking for sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #185

By whom? By ME. MADem Jul 2013 #186

Again you are wrong . I am not only willing to admit my 'bias' as you call it, I am sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #187

Again, you don't understand that CONGRESS gatekeeps who gets into the Cabinet, apparently. MADem Jul 2013 #189

"Issues get pushed to the background" AgingAmerican Jul 2013 #83

I think it might be on you.... nt MADem Jul 2013 #88

There are those that would be nasty, but the problem is that those defending the Pres rhett o rick Jul 2013 #33

Sort of like the disruptors running around calling anyone who has a problem MADem Jul 2013 #87

Whistle-blower character assassinations are typical authoritarian behavior. rhett o rick Jul 2013 #92

Because.... you say so? MADem Jul 2013 #94

"Valid critique"? I might agree that you might provide valid critiques but most of what I have rhett o rick Jul 2013 #98

You 'don't care' that Snowden hasn't proven his case. It sounds good, so that's MADem Jul 2013 #105

It is no longer Snowden's job to "prove" anything. I want pres Obama to prove that he is looking rhett o rick Jul 2013 #130

You want simple answers to complex issues, and you aren't going to get them. MADem Jul 2013 #131

First post, thread is disrupted by another irrelevant Obama comment. Everything is about Obama. nt Zorra Jul 2013 #165

Only if you think the leader of all Americans--including the ugly ones named in the OP, MADem Jul 2013 #167

Thanks for validating my point. No. It is not about Obama. Zorra Jul 2013 #173

Not sure how I "validated" your "point." I simply pointed out that Obama is the President of all MADem Jul 2013 #176

What in the hell are you talking about? I'm outta here, this is Zorra Jul 2013 #184

The President ... or his policies? RC Jul 2013 #177

Give him the Congress, and he'll give you the policies. MADem Jul 2013 #179

Where is Obama's bully pulpit? RC Jul 2013 #182

Because they can get CONFIRMED, that's why. MADem Jul 2013 #183

Right? CakeGrrl Jul 2013 #188

Day-um....! nt MADem Jul 2013 #190

And it's possible for John Kerry to say "backyard" without being just another gringo imperialist BeyondGeography Jul 2013 #2

Actually, it's really not Scootaloo Jul 2013 #4

Very true - there's a lot of difference between "our neighborhood" and "our backyard" muriel_volestrangler Jul 2013 #7

you said it far better than I did. that's exactly it. cali Jul 2013 #8

That's absurd. ProSense Jul 2013 #17

Context, Pro, context. cali Jul 2013 #20

No ProSense Jul 2013 #22

lol. my but that's as lame as could possibly be in the face cali Jul 2013 #25

You know, ProSense Jul 2013 #26

no, just stating the obvious. As I said, I posted evidence and you did not, old Pro. cali Jul 2013 #30

You don't really want to start a link war do ya? L0oniX Jul 2013 #58

Cali is right Prosense. iemitsu Jul 2013 #57

Now you've done it. You are not of the body! L0oniX Jul 2013 #61

:) I'm not sure that this phantom is iemitsu Jul 2013 #63

Absolute nonsense. ProSense Jul 2013 #78

good reframe! good job! nt galileoreloaded Jul 2013 #103

You're putting it on display with this post, I'm afraid Scootaloo Jul 2013 #116

You probably haven't noticed but in diplomatic circles, words are chosen very carefully. DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2013 #136

Most Americans are in blissful ignorance of what our country has become. rhett o rick Jul 2013 #34

+1 zeemike Jul 2013 #44

You forgot to mention the depleted uranium that we iemitsu Jul 2013 #59

Yes, that's true. Quite a legacy. nm rhett o rick Jul 2013 #84

+1 leftstreet Jul 2013 #64

He could have chosen his words more carefully, no? cali Jul 2013 #6

It was a faux pas, it shouldn't be a death sentence for Kerry in the region BeyondGeography Jul 2013 #10

I agree with that. I don't think there was any malicious intent cali Jul 2013 #13

I actually agree with you on this one. arely staircase Jul 2013 #27

both a phrase and a pov cali Jul 2013 #35

agreed. I actually pointed the arrogance of the phrase out to a friend of mine years ago arely staircase Jul 2013 #36

Get familiar with the Monroe Doctrine nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #60

And I don't expect CT's to think clearly about much BeyondGeography Jul 2013 #62

It is a conspiracy theory to speak of the Monroe doctrine? nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #65

Oh I know, you grew up down there and know the darker meaning of everything BeyondGeography Jul 2013 #68

You are proud of your ignorance Sir nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #70

When it comes to sovereign nations treestar Jul 2013 #76

Perhaps the reason there are no countries willing to take Snowden dgibby Jul 2013 #125

Yeah. ananda Jul 2013 #9

I love you first thing in the morning Cali Thank you. Catherina Jul 2013 #11

right back at you, my friend cali Jul 2013 #15

Thanks to both of you. nm rhett o rick Jul 2013 #55

There was a post yesterday that dropped as low as making comments about Morales' hairstyle. idwiyo Jul 2013 #12

They have nothing to give but the ROFL emoticon. That's their total rhett o rick Jul 2013 #48

I just had a look at the thread Pic Of The Moment: Restore The Fourth, amusing to see what usernames idwiyo Jul 2013 #51

The emoticon in place of content does define them, and that ROFL emoticon is Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #52

and another slimy post just now doing that and worse. cali Jul 2013 #66

Can you please PM me a link to that? idwiyo Jul 2013 #97

did someone really say that about the cyst? Enrique Jul 2013 #18

yes. cali Jul 2013 #21

Could you please post the jury comments? QC Jul 2013 #40

they weren't. they were almost all posted without comment, but here: cali Jul 2013 #50

that's the kind of post I'm glad is allowed to stand Enrique Jul 2013 #53

I'm not. you can always hit 'show post' cali Jul 2013 #54

You can still see that douchebag reply. It's been left intact. nt Guy Whitey Corngood Jul 2013 #42

k/r marmar Jul 2013 #19

Yes but it is a cyst of our own making. nineteen50 Jul 2013 #46

I don't know enough about HappyMe Jul 2013 #49

first ban all negative name calling of our president on DU Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #67

Won't call him names nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #69

Bully is a name. And he has been called that on here Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #71

Don't read foreign press. nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #74

do editorial pages inform? Or try to persuade? Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #75

Well even straight reporting is all but nice nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #80

Bully? You actually think calling the President a bully should be cali Jul 2013 #77

no. I said such name calling should be banned--not the poster Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #79

so, you're saying that a post calling the President a bully should be hidden? cali Jul 2013 #85

This is true treestar Jul 2013 #81

could you please link to some of these examples of negative name calling? cali Jul 2013 #73

You cannot expect much from trolls imo. Rex Jul 2013 #100

Name the person/thing du jour that's "making Obama look bad" magellan Jul 2013 #117