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104. You won't convince em.

Fri Jul 5, 2013, 05:49 PM

Jul 2013

The delusion is massive and deep seated (as nationalism usually is). For their theory of "Morales' nefarious action" to take place he must have been extremely lucky for all these countries to play along at the moment he implemented his "diabolical plan" to embarrass the United States! That's the reverse take on things.

And of course there's this in the Guardian UK today. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jul/05/european-states-snowden-morales-plane-nsa Excerpt: Spain says it and other European countries were told that the NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden was on board the Bolivian presidential plane that was diverted to Austria this week, causing a diplomatic row.

The foreign minister, José Manuel García-Margallo, said on Spanish National Television on Friday that "they told us that the information was clear, that he was inside".

The minister did not say who supplied the information and declined to say whether he had been in contact with the United States. But he said European countries' reactions were based on this information.

And then there's Die Presse today in Austria reporting the US ambassador was responsible. Can you Morales conspiracy theorists refute these articles for the rest of us lost souls? http://dissenter.firedoglake.com/2013/07/05/us-ambassador-to-austria-reportedly-responsible-for-false-claim-snowden-was-on-bolivian-leaders-plane/

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Time line of events from what we have been told in the news so far...Evo Morales my interpretation [View all] Drew Richards Jul 2013 OP

Yep. Lots of WTF?s throughout this fiasco, few sincere answers. nt Zorra Jul 2013 #1

You ask good questions, but once again, it is a diversion from the real story BlueStreak Jul 2013 #73

We've learned that Congress & the Presidency are just icons to maintain the appearance of democracy. CrispyQ Jul 2013 #83

Thanks For The Summary - The Egg On US Face Is Obvious cantbeserious Jul 2013 #2

Nice summary. Here's another piece for you. It was the US Ambassador who called Austria FM Catherina Jul 2013 #3

THANK YOU! I got so sick after reading all of the links and docs I just didn't have the energy Drew Richards Jul 2013 #6

Thanks again, Catherina. JDPriestly Jul 2013 #27

K&R for a great post. Arctic Dave Jul 2013 #4

Hey! nt ZombieHorde Jul 2013 #94

Not your zombie army, the other zombie army. Arctic Dave Jul 2013 #96

OK. But if you're not careful, we're coming for your BRAINS!!!!! nt ZombieHorde Jul 2013 #99

Can't wait to see the BS from the fixer crew. dkf Jul 2013 #5

You are wrong on most of your timeline and facts, please read this esp. Atlantic Mag. article linked flamingdem Jul 2013 #7

Why not make your argument instead of sending us to a link ohheckyeah Jul 2013 #8

Is that a rhetorical question? nm rhett o rick Jul 2013 #70

Pretty much. n/t ohheckyeah Jul 2013 #71

I have never gotten an answer. nm rhett o rick Jul 2013 #72

Me either and didn't much expect one.... ohheckyeah Jul 2013 #74

What a snotty exchange treestar Jul 2013 #89

Lol...I was waiting for your arrival. dkf Jul 2013 #9

I saw flamingdem Jul 2013 #10

Your Article Has Been Debunked cantbeserious Jul 2013 #14

Where? Link? flamingdem Jul 2013 #25

You should put that "eom" (or an "nt") into the *subject line* of the post. tblue37 Jul 2013 #69

You should add maps. :) dkf Jul 2013 #15

and such as.... HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #47

HAHAAH you are using the Atlantic as your refuting source...ok I read it and it is as true or valid Drew Richards Jul 2013 #17

You didn't read the first post about Portugal in my DU thread flamingdem Jul 2013 #24

If your story is true, why did the French apologize and change their mind? JDPriestly Jul 2013 #33

Which story do you mean? In the comments on the DU OP I posted I say flamingdem Jul 2013 #36

Here is the story. JDPriestly Jul 2013 #64

France says they did NOT refuse overflight. 7962 Jul 2013 #41

The drama queen thing will get you accused of flamingdem Jul 2013 #46

Wow, really? Jeeze, I said LIKE an old girlfriend! How could anyone think that to be homophobic? 7962 Jul 2013 #54

There is an issue here with Glenn Greenwald flamingdem Jul 2013 #56

Then why did France apologize for denying Morales airspace? HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #50

Here's one link to what I read 7962 Jul 2013 #57

France apologizes. HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #68

And being denied authorization to take off for 13 hours? Or should we just blame it on Drew Richards Jul 2013 #44

You are wrong on most everything, that is because it was midnight and they didn't flamingdem Jul 2013 #48

Still raises issues treestar Jul 2013 #90

Catherina's timeline is from the Austrian news media and from the Boivian news media. JDPriestly Jul 2013 #28

Atlantic is owned by a self described "neocon". dawg Jul 2013 #42

No wonder. JDPriestly Jul 2013 #67

Portugal denied the refuel a week ago Recursion Jul 2013 #11

Link to how you know that please. zeemike Jul 2013 #18

A statement from the Portuguese government Recursion Jul 2013 #29

Thanks Recursion flamingdem Jul 2013 #37

Except that I cant speek Portugese! Unless theres a translator and i cant find it 7962 Jul 2013 #49

Well here is the translation of the first paragraph.. zeemike Jul 2013 #45

EXACTLY. They were approved for refueling at an island near the N African coast of a Portugese okaawhatever Jul 2013 #19

They were approved for Las Palmas, Spain not a Portugese protectorate btw n/t flamingdem Jul 2013 #38

even if their first choice in portugal was refused for "technical" reasons... Drew Richards Jul 2013 #20

What seems suspect to me is how quickly people forget the crazy shit Morales has said in the past Recursion Jul 2013 #30

What crazy shit has he said? roody Jul 2013 #95

That the US killed Chavez, for one Recursion Jul 2013 #98

No, Las Palmas, Spain was approved, this hasn't been disproven flamingdem Jul 2013 #39

What languages do you read? Do you have a link to a Portuguese news source and can you translate it JDPriestly Jul 2013 #35

This thread is no good without a map pinboy3niner Jul 2013 #12

here you go try this one Drew Richards Jul 2013 #21

Yes, for the geographically illiterate. For the educated, it is not an issue. Coyotl Jul 2013 #22

Here you go Fumesucker Jul 2013 #32

Bingo! pinboy3niner Jul 2013 #34

For the 'U.S. Americans and such as' :) - nt HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #62

And there needs to be a congressional investigation zeemike Jul 2013 #13

Our congress? mindwalker_i Jul 2013 #23

Ambassador Eacho? There is only one online source for that story, zero other confirmation flamingdem Jul 2013 #40

You do know that a plane in the air can't chose where to land don't you? zeemike Jul 2013 #52

Spain said they could refuel in Las Palmas flamingdem Jul 2013 #53

So the pilot decided to land in Austria zeemike Jul 2013 #55

You're behind the 8 ball, if you want to play you need to focus on a specific thing and use links nt flamingdem Jul 2013 #59

Well I am not playing a game. zeemike Jul 2013 #65

You won't convince em. go west young man Jul 2013 #104

You are right of course. zeemike Jul 2013 #105

You Need To Stop Playing With Your Magic 8 Ball HangOnKids Jul 2013 #88

Simply untrue. Democracyinkind Jul 2013 #78

Why...is Morales on steroids? leftstreet Jul 2013 #60

International law, you say? How quaint (Cheney's word, not mine-different but similar deal). nt silvershadow Jul 2013 #16

Great post, Richards! Thanks so much! nt Peace Patriot Jul 2013 #26

Kick rusty fender Jul 2013 #31

As Joe Biden would say... "It's a big fucking deal, Mr Richards"... ReRe Jul 2013 #43

Obama has major egg on his face. HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #51

I still stunned it happened. What won't the US do if they will force down a presidential plane? morningfog Jul 2013 #58

After all this you're still pushing the forced down a plane story? flamingdem Jul 2013 #61

Denying a plane airspace to its destination, and forcing it to circle until low on fuel HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #66

Shhhh Savannahmann Jul 2013 #76

Obama is very afraid of what Snowden is still holding, to become that unhinged. HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #63

It doesn't appear to be true that president obama welcomes this conversation like he... Little Star Jul 2013 #79

Yep. He's said a lot of shit that has proven false. HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #81

+2 Civilization2 Jul 2013 #106

Excellent Savannahmann Jul 2013 #75

You're going to piss your pants when they catch Snowden. Aren't you? MjolnirTime Jul 2013 #77

Not really. HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #80

'Catch' him? Is he being pursued? n/t leftstreet Jul 2013 #86

Is that something you do often?n/t HangOnKids Jul 2013 #91

your contribution to du is sadly lacking cali Jul 2013 #93

Nope. mn9driver Jul 2013 #82

WashPost's screenshot of the flight Laughing Mirror Jul 2013 #87

Yes, that looks correct. nt. mn9driver Jul 2013 #97

They have no real case, just scraps of flim flam. sibelian Jul 2013 #84

You don't expect such disregard? caseymoz Jul 2013 #85

k&r for a clear and well done explanation of events. thanks. cali Jul 2013 #92

Thanks for this. nt ZombieHorde Jul 2013 #100

"never expected such disregard of INTERNATIONAL LAW", LOL Corruption Inc Jul 2013 #101

Well, technically, he didn't "scramble" any "jets", bvar22 Jul 2013 #102

Excellent post malaise Jul 2013 #103