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TorchTheWitch

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167. The guy with the flashlight testified he didn't run

Fri Jul 5, 2013, 08:59 PM

Jul 2013

He said he walked into his garage, got a flashlight, went outside through his garage and walked at a sedate pace all the way around to the "T". He also testified he first saw Z as Z was walking toward him with his cellphone to his ear.

What Z's claim was his entire exchange with the arrival of the guy with the flashlight and the arrival of the first officer on the scene is entirely contradictory to what that man with the flashlight testified to and what several other witnesses testified to as to what Z was doing between when the shot was fired and the arrival of the guy with the flashlight. Z himself claimed that when he got off of Martin that Martin never moved. Several other witnesses testified that he never moved following the gunshot.

The jury isn't going to care if Martin was capable of movement following the gunshot because of all the witnesses that testified he never moved and Z's own claim that he never moved after having gotten up off of him. Z's claim was that he was JUST getting off of Martin while he was talking to the man with the flashlight and the arrival of the first officer on the scene and was right there next to it when he told the officer that he had a gun and the officer took it from him, handcuffed him, etc. when Z, that officer and the man with the flashlight were nowhere near Martin's body.

What might be medically possible is totally contrary to the testimony of several witnesses INCLUDING Z's own claim of what Martin did from the time that Z got off of his body. All that is relevant then is the testimony of the witnesses that is totally contrary to Z's story of what happened after the gunshot and that Z's story doesn't match any of that testimony. Unfortunately for Z, none of his claims for what happened after the gunshot match the testimony of all the other witnesses of the time period between the gunshot and the arrival of the first person on the scene which was the man with the flashlight.

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ZIMMERMAN TRIAL: Day 9, Friday, July 5, 2013 [View all] GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 OP

Prosecution is expected to complete their case today. N/T GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #1

What happens after that? darkangel218 Jul 2013 #2

Defense gets their turn. N/T GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #3

Ah okay. thanks darkangel218 Jul 2013 #7

O'Mara is making a mistake. madaboutharry Jul 2013 #4

Agreed! nt avebury Jul 2013 #5

O'Mara and West love the sound of their voices too much to pass Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #8

here is the video of her testimony Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #37

Thanks Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #59

good grief... Blue_Roses Jul 2013 #173

You would hope that he had not done anthing to avebury Jul 2013 #6

she was an excellent witness Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #38

The defense tried to get the mother to say that it was Trayvon faults that he was dead HipChick Jul 2013 #9

That didn't seem to go over well Blue_Roses Jul 2013 #174

This line of questioning is unhelpful. madaboutharry Jul 2013 #10

Trayvon's brother's answers were consistent. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2013 #11

I don't see it either. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #13

trayvon's brother's testimony today Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #45

an excellent witness. Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #58

He is trying to paint TM as a thug,coming from a broken home and not being close to his brother.. HipChick Jul 2013 #15

It will be interesting to see what the defense does davidpdx Jul 2013 #12

Kick femmocrat Jul 2013 #14

What happened to Ms. Fulton? femmocrat Jul 2013 #16

They asked her to identify the button Trayvon was wearing Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #17

Thanks! nt femmocrat Jul 2013 #18

Did she leave the courtroom? femmocrat Jul 2013 #20

Yes - before they called the ME. Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #23

He was still alive? So they could have helped with CPR but instead they were too busy taking picture HipChick Jul 2013 #19

OMG, He was alive from 1 to 10 minutes after he was shot. femmocrat Jul 2013 #21

Martin essentially bled out into his own lungs alcibiades_mystery Jul 2013 #22

I like this witness because he's pissing off the defense attorney. Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #24

He is very careful about his testimony. femmocrat Jul 2013 #25

He has already helped the defense in two ways. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #27

Except I thought that I heard him clearly avebury Jul 2013 #28

Defense only needs a minute of life. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #30

So he moved after Zimmerman was on top of him? Just Saying Jul 2013 #32

Only movement required, at that point, is pulling his arms back to grab where it hurts. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #36

Yet Z says he spread TMs arms and held him down which must've taken those few seconds. uppityperson Jul 2013 #40

According to the witness neighbor that came around the corner. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #44

No, the guy with the flashlight testified he never saw TorchTheWitch Jul 2013 #166

He jumped up after being shot in the heart? Just Saying Jul 2013 #43

You are scrambling the timeline, GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #49

TM was in shock. Pulling his arms in to clutch "where it hurt" is Hollywood. uppityperson Jul 2013 #50

Dr. Bao said that TM would have been in severe pain. N/T GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #54

No shit sherlock. He could not breath, got kicked really hard in the chest, was in profound shock uppityperson Jul 2013 #55

I'm not scrambling anything Just Saying Jul 2013 #52

Timeline comes from two witnesses. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #56

Good was out before the shooting if I'm not mistaken. Just Saying Jul 2013 #57

History is replete with examples of people who have sustained similar injuries and kept fighting. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #66

I'm sure there are factors that change different reactions. Just Saying Jul 2013 #138

With a pulse of over 100/min, that would be a second. I expect his pulse was at least that uppityperson Jul 2013 #164

unless he's some sort of superhuman magical negro, of course noiretextatique Jul 2013 #181

Z's own re-enactment claims that Martin never moved TorchTheWitch Jul 2013 #171

"It would take several beats of the heart for the blood in the lungs to be enough to impead speech." Auntie Bush Jul 2013 #158

The Medical Examiner testified that the heart continued to beat. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #160

The guy with the flashlight testified he didn't run TorchTheWitch Jul 2013 #167

I don't know about people but when I hunt belcffub Jul 2013 #60

It does. N/T GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #67

Let me know if any of them Just Saying Jul 2013 #137

if that happens I may just belcffub Jul 2013 #179

but the doctor said it was unlikely trayvon could have moved after being shot. Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #29

Just because someone is "alive" does not mean they can get up and move. It doesn't work that way. uppityperson Jul 2013 #31

Incapacitation is not instantaneous. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #34

And I've seen enough people who are alive and unable to move to counter your guillotined heads uppityperson Jul 2013 #39

"Some heads mouthed words that were lip read." Complete balderdash. WinkyDink Jul 2013 #46

Agreed LiberalFighter Jul 2013 #132

The guillotine stories are dismissed by science. Just Saying Jul 2013 #48

Rubbish. ellisonz Jul 2013 #51

nope...just a continuation of the myth of the scary black guy noiretextatique Jul 2013 #182

Here is an article and link giving ME's opinion he could not have moved. Didn't want you to miss it. uppityperson Jul 2013 #162

No. Debunked by modern science. Blood pressure plummets anneboleyn Jul 2013 #178

Confused Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #26

I guess so according Just Saying Jul 2013 #33

The witness was 100% correct when he stated avebury Jul 2013 #35

I think the jury gets that. Just Saying Jul 2013 #41

Does the defense have to present witnesses ? Can they rest and then do closing arguments? Gin Jul 2013 #42

No. Yes. WinkyDink Jul 2013 #47

They can rest and do closing arguments. They won't GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #53

Knock Knock is so annoying! nt avebury Jul 2013 #61

What is a "Richardson Hearing" and why is Defense being asked who they want to call to the stand? Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #62

And Twitter explained: Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #63

Hey Skeletor Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #64

Well it was a stupid question KNOCK KNOCK! You can't go and kill people and find out uponit7771 Jul 2013 #65

His parents are incredibly strong to sit through this Marrah_G Jul 2013 #68

No "Ill will and hatred" Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #69

Omara's client has ZERO credibility avebury Jul 2013 #70

who among us knew this prosecutor was going to lay it all out so precisely? Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #104

And this is the way that it needs to be laid out in the closing statement. avebury Jul 2013 #106

...what a self hating job... uponit7771 Jul 2013 #77

Or an ego so massive as to lose all context of self-awareness. Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #79

He's doing his job Marrah_G Jul 2013 #80

Is he asking for the case to be dropped?! uponit7771 Jul 2013 #71

this standard opening for the defense -- ask for dismissal KurtNYC Jul 2013 #72

ok..thx, sounds like this is SOP uponit7771 Jul 2013 #74

Yup! avebury Jul 2013 #73

Yes, and is apparently commonplace Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #75

It happens in a majority of cases Nevernose Jul 2013 #82

Standard move to ask for an aquital. He knows he won't get it. N/T GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #76

Based on his arguments it sounded a bit like he was helping the prosecution's case. LiberalFighter Jul 2013 #88

"...get past the expletive..." as if that was the only think showing ill will towards TM uponit7771 Jul 2013 #78

He is bringing up a lot of interesting case law. N/T GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #81

Now the prosecution's turn. He is doing a good job too. N/T GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #83

He is doing a great job. He is very thorough and to the point. avebury Jul 2013 #84

+1 uponit7771 Jul 2013 #87

The prosecutor is much clearer with his explanation. LiberalFighter Jul 2013 #91

+1, good day for the PA uponit7771 Jul 2013 #98

PA is doing a KICK ASS job of knocking down the defense request too uponit7771 Jul 2013 #85

"...one of them is dead the other is a liar..." WHOA uponit7771 Jul 2013 #86

Short and to the point! nt avebury Jul 2013 #89

+1 Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #90

And the Sean Hannity interview comes back to avebury Jul 2013 #92

What details did they mention about the interview? Thanks. SaveAmerica Jul 2013 #169

Sean Hannity asked him about the Stand Your Ground Law avebury Jul 2013 #172

Ah, OK, thank you for the details! SaveAmerica Jul 2013 #175

Wait!!! Where has this guy been in the last 2 weeks for the PA?! String Z up now!.... uponit7771 Jul 2013 #93

Save the best for last, what you want the jurors to remember. SaveAmerica Jul 2013 #168

This guy is blowing me away Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #94

I hope that he does the closing statement. avebury Jul 2013 #95

AMEN....you can hear a pin drop in that court room uponit7771 Jul 2013 #97

is the jury out for this process? Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #99

Yes - Unfortunately. avebury Jul 2013 #100

it's a preview of their closing statement Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #101

Yes, basically his client is a damn liar and it's for the jury to decide uponit7771 Jul 2013 #102

the precedents cited by the prosecution were devastating to the defense, I thought Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #108

That's not what he said. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #111

�...a righteous shoot�... TeeYiYi Jul 2013 #117

That is the tem used for justified shootings, GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #121

No, really they can't. They have gun on the brain all the time. JimDandy Jul 2013 #128

You do understand RGR375 Jul 2013 #119

no, I don't Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #124

I disagree Gothmog Jul 2013 #129

Not coming from me RGR375 Jul 2013 #133

what toxicology reports? they never did any on zimmerman noiretextatique Jul 2013 #183

How so? ellisonz Jul 2013 #130

Both Omara and Knock Knock get on my last nerve. avebury Jul 2013 #103

watching the judge has been interesting.. she seems to find them annoying too. Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #105

I totally agree. I would be so irritated if I were on the jury. avebury Jul 2013 #107

+1!!! LOL " ... nobody heard 50 screams..."!!!! uponit7771 Jul 2013 #96

I missed today's procededings. Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #135

John Guy Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #136

If you can post a link, that would be great. Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2013 #140

no luck so far but it's bound to be posted someplace.. it was so good Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #141

try this link Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #142

I believe it was the other guy - Richard Mantei. nt avebury Jul 2013 #139

Mantei - and he was brilliant. Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #143

Motion for Judgement of Aquital denied. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #109

Defense had a DECENT rebutal but left out a lot of gating issues with their clients credibit uponit7771 Jul 2013 #110

Now the defense starts. Z's Mom takes the stand. N/T GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #112

And the inevitable "me too" Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #113

Oh - so no "you need that to be your son" Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #115

OMG He's going to have Z's mom identify the voice senseandsensibility Jul 2013 #114

Which Mom will the jury believe? N/T GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #116

Noe the uncle claims to not know the TV is talking about his nephew Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #118

I wonder of its the same uncle Nevernose Jul 2013 #125

Nice find. Hoyt Jul 2013 #127

Wow! Guessing she won't be called. Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #145

Additional proof that Z is a sleazeball... GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #149

Now George's Uncle claims the scream is George's. N/T GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #120

Of course the family members will say it is george Marrah_G Jul 2013 #122

And that argument can be applied to Martin's mother and half brother just as well. n/t Lurks Often Jul 2013 #123

Yes it can Marrah_G Jul 2013 #126

The unsaid testimony pintobean Jul 2013 #144

The Uncle, being LEO, carries added weight to his testimony. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #154

George Zimmerman's uncle is full of shit... PennsylvaniaMatt Jul 2013 #131

I think the jury will see through it also Marrah_G Jul 2013 #146

Is a mid-trial press conference normal? Nevernose Jul 2013 #134

The advantage in scream recognition is with the defense. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #147

I'm so white I'm translucent Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #150

"thought the shot went wide" how did I miss that? arcane1 Jul 2013 #151

Yes - he claimed in original questioning Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #153

"I thought the shot went wide, and he said 'you got me' to psych me out" arcane1 Jul 2013 #155

Medical examiner testified that TM lived for one to ten minutes... GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #157

With 2 holes in his heart, bleeding out into his own lung Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #161

If you are shot in the chest, it is like getting hit with a baseball bat. You hurt all over. uppityperson Jul 2013 #165

Not always. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #177

And if you are already dead you don't move at all. Or if his legs were amputated he won't run.Or if uppityperson Jul 2013 #180

None of what you said is a rebuttal of my post. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #152

Holy Christ Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #156

Sabrina Fulton is not on the jury. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #159

And I am talking about your comments directed toward race Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #163

+1000 noiretextatique Jul 2013 #186

because it was martin who was screaming for help noiretextatique Jul 2013 #185

A lot of people think cops are full of shit. Starry Messenger Jul 2013 #170

How many of the jury are cop haters? GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #176

nonsense...i bet martin's family are not fond of the sanford police department noiretextatique Jul 2013 #187

Martin's family aren't on the jury. N/T GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #190

only a fool would believe that noiretextatique Jul 2013 #184

Zimmerman claims his nose and mouth were covered, with blood running back into his throat. Jim__ Jul 2013 #188

yep...he is a liar noiretextatique Jul 2013 #189

Brown Uncle and Mother of George the Racist...... korak Jul 2013 #148