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(12,482 posts) Fri Jul 5, 2013, 09:31 PM Jul 2013

I think Snowden has a way out now [View all]

I have already stated what I think of the guy and I hope he ends up in the US to answer for his crimes. But realistically, I think he has a way out now (other than accepting Ana Chapman's marriage proposal, which is what he ought to do.)

Anyway,Nicaragua and Venezuela have offered asylum. But like most countries they require the applicant to ask for it on their sovereign soil. This, however, includes embassies. Putin has already said a diplomatic car from the airport to an embassy would still allow him to continue to say he didn't let Snowden enter Russia. If the Nicaraguans send a car for him, take him to their embassy, grant him asylum and then issue him a passport, then fly him directly to Managua (which I think is logistically possible), he's made it.

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I think Snowden has a way out now [View all] arely staircase Jul 2013 OP

sounds reasonable, but what do I know cali Jul 2013 #1

Let's hope so. Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2013 #2

I believe either One of two countries can simply issue temporary travel document that will allow idwiyo Jul 2013 #3

he has to get to the embassy to apply for assylum nt arely staircase Jul 2013 #4

Do you know the distance from the airport to morningfog Jul 2013 #8

no, not familiar with moscow nt arely staircase Jul 2013 #10

Looks like about half an hour drive. morningfog Jul 2013 #29

is that venezuela's or nicaragua's embassy? arely staircase Jul 2013 #30

Venezuela, and I made the same assumption. morningfog Jul 2013 #40

Not sure he must. Don't forget, he already traveled on temporary papers issued by Ecuador. idwiyo Jul 2013 #9

no but it is the law/rule for most countries arely staircase Jul 2013 #11

One more point, either embassy can send a car to the airport to pick him. I believe that would be idwiyo Jul 2013 #12

yes said so in the OP. Putin said it too and that is what matters arely staircase Jul 2013 #14

Never mind me. Am slow today. :) idwiyo Jul 2013 #16

its all very interesting quinnox Jul 2013 #5

well my scenario hinges on one of those two countries actually being willing arely staircase Jul 2013 #7

Good assessment. n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #13

Yup. The logistics will be interesting, but he should be able to stay out of prison. Warren Stupidity Jul 2013 #6

BUT Snowden can NOT leave the airport to go to the embassy... Tx4obama Jul 2013 #15

Minor Details... HipChick Jul 2013 #17

I'm not hoping he does any of this. I hope his next one way flight is to his arely staircase Jul 2013 #24

Not sure he is worth a hit to them flamingdem Jul 2013 #42

If he does go missing, the U.S. would get blamed for it Whisp Jul 2013 #67

Putin said an embassy car counts as not being in the country arely staircase Jul 2013 #18

The last thing I saw was the excerpt below Tx4obama Jul 2013 #23

I will search the googles arely staircase Jul 2013 #25

not Putin himself but unnamed Russian officials. arely staircase Jul 2013 #28

Thanks. That's interesting. Wonder.... Tx4obama Jul 2013 #32

i bet the russians would facilitate that part arely staircase Jul 2013 #34

So it's too far for a non-stop flight Incitatus Jul 2013 #63

Venezuela isn't too far arely staircase Jul 2013 #64

no regular scheduled commercial flights Moscow-Caracas HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #72

Why couldn't Venezuela issue him a passport? cali Jul 2013 #19

good question arely staircase Jul 2013 #21

My scenario is a little different since I never believed he left Hong Kong. Moscow was just a ruse. Cleita Jul 2013 #20

Interesting theory. arely staircase Jul 2013 #22

I don't think he knew at first. Cleita Jul 2013 #38

Snowden's US passport was still valid in Hong Kong. US canceled it after he arrived in Russia n/t Tx4obama Jul 2013 #27

I have been on non-stop international flights that ended up making a stop anyway.. HipChick Jul 2013 #36

In this case it would have to be somewhere in the middle of the Pacific Ocean. Cleita Jul 2013 #41

I'm not making any more predictions. Robb Jul 2013 #26

I would have accepted Chapman's proposal LittleBlue Jul 2013 #31

absolutely arely staircase Jul 2013 #33

dude embarrassed the admin, he's a ghost. galileoreloaded Jul 2013 #35

Hes always had a way out. HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #37

Cuba has an extradition treaty arely staircase Jul 2013 #39

No they do not. HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #44

it would appear that they do arely staircase Jul 2013 #48

Evidently they did....in 1926, the date on your link!!! HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #53

the Revolution did not void all treaties. arely staircase Jul 2013 #56

I live in Florida, and have visited Cuba. HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #59

I think you are wrong about that but for the sake of discussion will assume you are correct arely staircase Jul 2013 #61

There is no treaty. HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #65

According to the State Department there is. The one from 1905 I posted was resigned in 1959 arely staircase Jul 2013 #68

Any treaty from 1959 no longer exists. HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #69

why would it no longer exist? arely staircase Jul 2013 #71

Castro. HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #74

link: HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #70

well I guess that shows us what wikianswers is worth since I posted one from them saying there is arely staircase Jul 2013 #73

State Dept listed treaty is 1959. HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #75

Any treaty from '59 would have been signed by the Castro government nt arely staircase Jul 2013 #76

not necessarily. Batista could have signed it. HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #77

Castro took power on January 1st of 1959 nt arely staircase Jul 2013 #78

And he probably voided the treaty when a US backed invasion attacked Cuba a couple years later. HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #79

possibly, but I am guessing it is still on the books, as per the State Dept. website arely staircase Jul 2013 #80

There are dozens of U.S. fugitives in Cuba. former9thward Jul 2013 #47

so why hasn't he already gone there arely staircase Jul 2013 #49

Who knows? former9thward Jul 2013 #50

Occam's Razor arely staircase Jul 2013 #52

But they want all the other fugitives. former9thward Jul 2013 #54

Maybe they are less problematic? arely staircase Jul 2013 #57

Cuba has not offered asylum. They don't want him in limbo on their soil. HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #55

no limbo, just a connecting flight to bolivia which has offered it. arely staircase Jul 2013 #58

No. Until he had a destination after Havana... HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #60

I don't disagree with any of that but one point arely staircase Jul 2013 #62

Here's the catch ProSense Jul 2013 #43

Russians have already said a diplomatic car to an embassy would be acceptable arely staircase Jul 2013 #45

And he still could be nabbed in that scenario. n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #46

oh I think one of his biggest fears arely staircase Jul 2013 #51

Yeah, he needs some place to hide. I just read Iceland actually rejected him.. Cha Jul 2013 #66

Venezuela and Nicaragua have already offered asylum. nt HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #81