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In reply to the discussion: I am getting the odd sense that some don't like Snowden because he made the establishment look bad [View all]HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)57. fuel gauges don't register when no fuel.
At takeoff, the plane had clearance for overflight and a refueling stop. Would not be permitted to take off if not the case. After takeoff, that permission was simultaniously withdrawn by US request. Plane was unable to reach fuel stop without overflight of countries in flightpath. Plane was forced to circle, had to land when fuel was low. Pilot was merely communicating dire status of fuel situation to aircontrol.
France apologized to Bolivia. Why would they do that for a mechanical problem? Austria already pointed finger at US for forcing down plane and demanding inspection. And speaking of inspection, why would US demand inspection of a broken fuel gauge? Your argument is patently false. It was made last night and soundly de-bunked.
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I am getting the odd sense that some don't like Snowden because he made the establishment look bad [View all]
The Straight Story
Jul 2013
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Perhaps instead of trying to make up something about why those opposed to Snowden feel that way....
VanillaRhapsody
Jul 2013
#1
Romney is not in, Obama is, and he is the most honest politician in modern history.
tridim
Jul 2013
#152
You know we will have shitty presidents after Obama, right? The precedents the good ones make
Ed Suspicious
Jul 2013
#157
This is a war between the 1% and the 99%. Which side do you choose? You wont say will you? nm
rhett o rick
Jul 2013
#43
I guess I'm one of the ilk you apparently find disgusting. I like that stand your ground
A Simple Game
Jul 2013
#121
It comes down to how much you value democracy, representative government. I value it greatly.
JDPriestly
Jul 2013
#72
The M$M would sooner be bastinadoed than talk about policy, particularly in respect to surveillance
Fumesucker
Jul 2013
#94
"Because if he can be exempt, why should ANYONE be held to account for their crimes?"
rhett o rick
Jul 2013
#105
LOL yep we bail out the criminal banksters but Snowden gets nothing. There's no real justice anymore
L0oniX
Jul 2013
#120
Indeed. But I don't think they believe we employ them but the other way around
The Straight Story
Jul 2013
#9
OK. Then, when we have another Oklahoma City or 9/11, and believe me, we will if your
bluestate10
Jul 2013
#21
Death by terrorist is statistically zero compared to other causes of death. Yet
rhett o rick
Jul 2013
#45
"If people are so afraid of dying, they'd be better off chasing down drunk drivers"...
Kurovski
Jul 2013
#166
We'll have another Oklahoma City or 9/11 whether or not we live in a security state.
winter is coming
Jul 2013
#33
If you want safety, buy a house on a big lot and build a bunker on your property.
JDPriestly
Jul 2013
#75
So, you would have no problem explaining how this would have stopped either
Egalitarian Thug
Jul 2013
#90
Frankly, I don't give a fuck. Those events happened even with government invasion of privacy.
JVS
Jul 2013
#92
When people start demonizing the Bolivian president, not for anything he actually did, but
Marr
Jul 2013
#8
If these are truly Democrats that are saying that, then it shows that...
AZ Progressive
Jul 2013
#10
Any theory contradicting his story rapidly descends into obviously farcical nonsense.
sibelian
Jul 2013
#91
I'm more concerned about what Obama admitted to than what is in the documents.
JDPriestly
Jul 2013
#156
I don't like Snowden because he is a coward and a traitor. No one else, in the history
bluestate10
Jul 2013
#16
Given we have tortured people and put them in jails without charges and keep them there
The Straight Story
Jul 2013
#19
Mark Felt hid for over 30 years before he was revealed as Deep Throat
muriel_volestrangler
Jul 2013
#99
you think leaking info to the Chinese & Russians is "making the establishment look bad"? LOL!
KittyWampus
Jul 2013
#22
It's disingenious anyway, as he has not exclusively shared anything with the chinese or russian gov.
Democracyinkind
Jul 2013
#89
It's just the same sort of blind partisanship you see from Sean Hannity or some other Fox News type.
Douglas Carpenter
Jul 2013
#26
No, a coward is someone who kills kids using drones from thousands of miles away
The Straight Story
Jul 2013
#38
If you are bombing people not a threat to you. Yes. They call it something else when citizens do it
The Straight Story
Jul 2013
#44
Song for you courtesy of Roger Waters. "The Bravery Of Being Out Of Range"
go west young man
Jul 2013
#53
Okay, so the Chinese and the Russians had NO idea that we were spying on them before Snowden, yet
mbperrin
Jul 2013
#102
Are you kidding me? The American people didn't know that we spy on China and Russia
pnwmom
Jul 2013
#162
ding, ding, ding. . .the peon made the nobles looks like shit. Nobles want blood
Nanjing to Seoul
Jul 2013
#66
From an objective non-ideological PoV, who is Snowden actually helping?
struggle4progress
Jul 2013
#74
He doesn't seem to care about consequences. And with the responsibility he had, that should be
SleeplessinSoCal
Jul 2013
#83
What specific things has he said that you regard as treasonous? (nt)
muriel_volestrangler
Jul 2013
#101
So you're ok with NSA spying on us, but are only mad because the public exposure of it makes Obama
rusty fender
Jul 2013
#112
Funny Thing Those Laws - Seems They Don't Apply To The 1% - But Do For The 99%
cantbeserious
Jul 2013
#144
You are off topic and wrong, the USA has special prisons for the wealthy
Progressive dog
Jul 2013
#168
Thanks For The Scolding - I Needed That - We Will Have To Agree To Disagree
cantbeserious
Jul 2013
#169