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10. I would disagree with your choice of larger problem, if LaRouchites give us a tea party President.

Sat Jul 6, 2013, 07:26 AM

Jul 2013

People in PA got complacent, and we now have a blatantly corrupt idiot governor who is royally f*cking the entire state (with the exceptions of the corporations he's receiving kickbacks from).

I shudder to think what a Corbett / Palin / Rand Paul / Paul Ryan type would do as US president. (You wold probably shudder to think of it too, if you allowed yourself to think of it.)

That would be a FAR FAR bigger problem for 99.99 % of Americans; for whom the US government really doesn't give one microscopic shit what they are up to, even if all that data were on file, which I think is (in contrast) a large steaming pile of bull shit designed to assist in the outcome of having a liberteapublican president to f*ck over 98% of America while sharing the profits of the .005%.

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Snowden attorney speaks for Rand Paul, Lyndon LaRouche, and the 4th amendment [View all] ucrdem Jul 2013 OP

So, just to sum up . . . ucrdem Jul 2013 #1

James Brady worked for Reagan. Look at the Brady Bill. David Brock wrote two RW hit pieces Nanjing to Seoul Jul 2013 #4

Bill Maher was a self-proclaimed McCain libertarian? ucrdem Jul 2013 #6

He supported McCain in the 2000 election over Gore and Bush. Nanjing to Seoul Jul 2013 #20

There's also a video of him endorsing Ron Paul in 2008. Jamaal510 Jul 2013 #223

Taking this guilt by association thing a few more steps removed, aren't we? leveymg Jul 2013 #56

Because this is political and yes, their politics matter. ucrdem Jul 2013 #59

This makes the politics of people several steps removed from Snowden the issue. How is that leveymg Jul 2013 #70

Because they support Snowden who shares their frightwing politics. ucrdem Jul 2013 #78

Even if Snowden shares right wing politics, should that deflect from our concern totodeinhere Jul 2013 #96

Frightwing Jamaal510 Jul 2013 #224

How about "the politics of"... 99Forever Jul 2013 #101

The link in OP has an interesting book for sale!! lunasun Jul 2013 #85

So AIM was part of the Vince Foster Conspiracy Theory? Oh Snap! think Jul 2013 #94

Thank you for catching these facts. think Jul 2013 #102

Bruce Fein gutted the Fairness Doctrine. With glee. nt msanthrope Jul 2013 #138

Add the irony of purist Leftists on DU madly cheering Snowden going to Venezuela, a socialist flamingdem Jul 2013 #174

Kind of like Nixon in China ucrdem Jul 2013 #181

And the White House is spying on every American MannyGoldstein Jul 2013 #2

I suppose it would be, if it were true. ucrdem Jul 2013 #3

it is true. deal with it. cali Jul 2013 #11

I sent my brother a Christmas card that arrived six month later without the card. ucrdem Jul 2013 #15

that's not a response to the article. cali Jul 2013 #26

So is the belief that the USPS logs all mail. Ikonoklast Jul 2013 #87

what do you think of the article? Is it tinfoil? cali Jul 2013 #149

No, its an article about a guy who worked for a domestic terrorist org that committed mass arson. phleshdef Jul 2013 #208

You tell it Manny fasttense Jul 2013 #7

I would disagree with your choice of larger problem, if LaRouchites give us a tea party President. MH1 Jul 2013 #10

So very, very true. ucrdem Jul 2013 #21

In other words, lets not make a big stink over the surveillance state because doing totodeinhere Jul 2013 #109

They don't even consider the inquiries themselves 'legitimate,' fwiw. "If a Democrat is doing it, it HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #116

"It comes from a very ancient democracy, you see..." woo me with science Jul 2013 #142

Absolcluckinglutely MH1 flamingdem Jul 2013 #178

The White House? DeeDeeNY Jul 2013 #71

The masks are slipping. CakeGrrl Jul 2013 #228

It sure seems that way lately DeeDeeNY Jul 2013 #231

The important thing is that Snowden has body odor. Chef Eric Jul 2013 #84

No they aren't treestar Jul 2013 #161

Got any proof? sagat Jul 2013 #203

NO, it's not. Stop spreading lies. jazzimov Jul 2013 #229

Top US officials are running a secret, worldwide corporate spying program with NO oversight! fasttense Jul 2013 #5

I'm not talking about his "tonal oddities," I'm telling you he's a RW saboteur ucrdem Jul 2013 #9

How can he be a RW saboteur? fasttense Jul 2013 #18

No one expected the NSA to go bye-bye and no one promised that it would. ucrdem Jul 2013 #32

There is oversight treestar Jul 2013 #162

Guilt-by-association much? Geesh! NoMoreWarNow Jul 2013 #8

Yes I'm sure he's the soul of decency lately. ucrdem Jul 2013 #12

you really seem to have a chip on your shoulder about Snowden... NoMoreWarNow Jul 2013 #16

$$$? (nt) Jackpine Radical Jul 2013 #75

Why, yes! I suspect that's it, exactly, Jackpine... truth2power Jul 2013 #134

Thanks for not accusing me of being a lame Libertarian troll who thinks they're fooling anyone. ucrdem Jul 2013 #139

I for one consider Snowden a hero. cyclezealot Jul 2013 #14

yes, Fein had a bad past but he seemed to have turned around in the Bush years NoMoreWarNow Jul 2013 #19

You know that is not unusual. cyclezealot Jul 2013 #25

"Fein has appeared at two conferences this year sponsored by the Schiller Institute" ucrdem Jul 2013 #34

Snowden politics is of huge LukeFL Jul 2013 #88

BS. cyclezealot Jul 2013 #110

you mean like how a while back a fair number of pro-snowden supporters Bodhi BloodWave Jul 2013 #111

This does not have to be Anti Obama. cyclezealot Jul 2013 #156

you will get no argument from me on that Bodhi BloodWave Jul 2013 #210

This is astonishingly lame cali Jul 2013 #13

That's practically a compliment. ucrdem Jul 2013 #17

you're welcome. how about responding to my post upthread? cali Jul 2013 #24

I responded. I guess you missed the point which I'll explain: ucrdem Jul 2013 #27

Don't get your hopes up Scootaloo Jul 2013 #29

Look up. ucrdem Jul 2013 #30

Key word, "meaningful" Scootaloo Jul 2013 #33

What else do you need? ucrdem Jul 2013 #36

I'm not looking for anything, honestly Scootaloo Jul 2013 #40

Awwwwwwwwwwwwww Iliyah Jul 2013 #44

No, I called it FUCKING stupid, get it right or don't bother Scootaloo Jul 2013 #47

At some point, you should create an OP around this and build upon HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #141

Look, NSA-gate is not, was not, and never will be about the 4th amendment ucrdem Jul 2013 #46

You seem to be shitting your pants nevertheless. Scootaloo Jul 2013 #51

Nopity. I'm pushing back against the swiftboaters. ucrdem Jul 2013 #53

No, you're not Scootaloo Jul 2013 #60

LaRouche is not a "dumbass" and only a fool would think he's not dangerous. ucrdem Jul 2013 #69

Thanks - ucrdem! Iliyah Jul 2013 #22

Thanks Iliyah, much appreciated. ucrdem Jul 2013 #28

You are welcome! Iliyah Jul 2013 #35

+1 graham4anything Jul 2013 #126

AIM is the group who helped spread the Vincent Fostor Conspiracy Theory think Jul 2013 #130

Mabye you'd rather hear it directly from Lyndon LaRouche? ucrdem Jul 2013 #137

Just letting him know your source. sorry that bothers you.... think Jul 2013 #140

Here's a transcript of "civil libertarian" Fein's Jan. 26 speech at LaRouche's Schiller Institute ucrdem Jul 2013 #145

It's the slant and the original source that is the rub...... think Jul 2013 #147

Did everyone know about Snowden's LaRouche connection? ucrdem Jul 2013 #148

Did Larouche help Snowden expose the NSA documents? I missed that one think Jul 2013 #152

Joe McCarthy called, Waiting For Everyman Jul 2013 #23

My girlfriend's parents are Republicans. East Coast Pirate Jul 2013 #31

But does he have ties to Jeremiah Wright Union Scribe Jul 2013 #37

Oh for sure! & check out AIM where link is from = big time finger pointers lunasun Jul 2013 #89

WTF: Did you just lump the 4th amendment in with Rand Paul & Lyndon Larouche? think Jul 2013 #38

Is the thread title inaccurate? ucrdem Jul 2013 #39

LOL Iliyah Jul 2013 #41

Apparently so if a Larouche supporter is doing it. Wouldn't want to be lumped in with him think Jul 2013 #42

Dick Cheney speaks for the Republicans, Halliburton, & Barack Obama think Jul 2013 #50

You failed to support your assertion with any evidence. nt ucrdem Jul 2013 #52

Evidence like: "Cheney defends Obama on Drone Strikes"? think Jul 2013 #58

So start a thread about it. Maybe you can get a statement from Larry Sinclair. nt ucrdem Jul 2013 #62

Lump away. It's completely true but still disingenuous and you know it. think Jul 2013 #63

Larry Sinclair's story is completely true? ucrdem Jul 2013 #65

Who the fuck is Larry Sinclair? think Jul 2013 #68

Look it up. nt ucrdem Jul 2013 #74

No. Unless he has something to do with the 4th being violated by the NSA think Jul 2013 #76

He's as relevant as your claim about Cheney. nt ucrdem Jul 2013 #79

Dickie poo Iliyah Jul 2013 #82

What in the fuck is this pile of words? DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2013 #128

WHAT???? Iliyah Jul 2013 #54

and bullshit when it comes to the 4th amendment being lumped with Larouche! think Jul 2013 #61

If LaRouche has made the 4th amendment a pet issue, that should give you pause. ucrdem Jul 2013 #64

You are the one lumping the 4th in with Larocuhe or did you forget? think Jul 2013 #67

LaRouche and Rand Paul made the 4th amendment their issue, not me. nt ucrdem Jul 2013 #72

Ya the NSA violating the 4th doesn't seem to a big issue with some.... think Jul 2013 #73

Look, if you don't believe me, read this from a DUer who's been around longer: ucrdem Jul 2013 #80

If its in the Bill of Rights, it should give you pause. DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2013 #131

wow, naaman fletcher Jul 2013 #43

Oh my gosh Iliyah Jul 2013 #45

people naaman fletcher Jul 2013 #48

Yippee, then I'm not one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Iliyah Jul 2013 #66

Metadata does not belong to you. stonecutter357 Jul 2013 #49

There is a LaRouchie that sets up a table outside the post office... graham4anything Jul 2013 #55

There is an OP today saying NSA has a dossier on just about every one of us. freedom fighter jh Jul 2013 #57

Principle vs Partisanship pmorlan1 Jul 2013 #104

Anyone who can get a credit report has a "dossier" on you treestar Jul 2013 #165

Where is the real North Carolina money man -Pope - in all of this?? n/t malaise Jul 2013 #77

Kenny Boy who? tridim Jul 2013 #81

Yeah. cherokeeprogressive Jul 2013 #83

Theodore Olson. Rings the bell? I doubt it. idwiyo Jul 2013 #86

Hey, some RWers do see the light on some issues Iliyah Jul 2013 #93

Was he also right in Bush vs Gore? idwiyo Jul 2013 #98

Wikipedia link Babel_17 Jul 2013 #90

Sounds like an impressive record for a lawyer. I'd hire him if I need to defend myself for my idwiyo Jul 2013 #106

You should have started an ProSense Jul 2013 #91

Top of the morning to you ProSense! Iliyah Jul 2013 #114

How many times do we have to repeat that this is not about Snowden or his attorney totodeinhere Jul 2013 #92

This story is by AIM, Accuracy in Media. Please check out this Wiki entry think Jul 2013 #100

An article that starts with "NSA traitor" can be safely ignored as bullshit. Nt. Warren Stupidity Jul 2013 #95

Except that it's true. ucrdem Jul 2013 #115

Traitor has a specific meaning. No act of treason has occurred, no charge of treason filed. Warren Stupidity Jul 2013 #120

May I ask what on earth are you're talking about? ucrdem Jul 2013 #124

Wait, first you argue with me then you claim you have no idea what I'm talking about? Warren Stupidity Jul 2013 #127

Oh good grief. You a discerning reader, please. And if you want to know, ucrdem Jul 2013 #133

"yes, Snowden is a traitor" - well except of course that he did not commit an act of treason. Warren Stupidity Jul 2013 #209

Article 3, Section 3 of the US Constitution states: ucrdem Jul 2013 #212

Yes? And which enemies would that be? Warren Stupidity Jul 2013 #215

The ones we conduct cyberwarfare against at a cost of billions annually. nt ucrdem Jul 2013 #216

You've sunk to using Accuracy in Media as a source? People are getting desperate. Fuddnik Jul 2013 #97

Yeah, but as long as they sing what OP wants, it's all GOOD!!! idwiyo Jul 2013 #108

As it happens, it's accurate, at least as far as Fein speaking at LaRouche's Schiller Institute: ucrdem Jul 2013 #117

Guilt by association - yay Anarcho-Socialist Jul 2013 #99

Don't trust Wikipedia at all Iliyah Jul 2013 #103

This message was self-deleted by its author lunasun Jul 2013 #225

This is a fun game. Let's try it with Obama! noamnety Jul 2013 #105

Is DU going to allow McCarthyism like this to stand? - nt HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #107

You'd be ProSense Jul 2013 #118

Thanks ProSense! ucrdem Jul 2013 #121

Exactly. treestar Jul 2013 #167

Pointing out an attorney's LaRouche and Rand Paul connections is not allowed? ucrdem Jul 2013 #119

Only for people who disagree with Iliyah Jul 2013 #123

Your OP disgusts me with its blatant use of the 'association fallacy'. You've HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #132

Here ProSense Jul 2013 #135

You're really scraping the bottom of the barrel with this one... truth2power Jul 2013 #112

And forget name calling people who disagree with Iliyah Jul 2013 #122

You can't claim "progressive" like wearing a junior varsity letterman jacket bobduca Jul 2013 #143

LaRouchePac: "Constitutional Lawyer Bruce Fein Blasts Obama and Israel" ucrdem Jul 2013 #113

So what your saying then Android3.14 Jul 2013 #125

"The stupid, it not only burns, but it's bipartisan". Good one, Android... truth2power Jul 2013 #129

No, that isn't close to what I'm saying. ucrdem Jul 2013 #136

SPLC: Kincaid pushes conspiracy theories, demonizing propaganda, and lies about LGBT, Muslims, Dems muriel_volestrangler Jul 2013 #144

This thread is about Bruce Fein. nt ucrdem Jul 2013 #146

Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha! muriel_volestrangler Jul 2013 #150

OK, that guy is a nut! n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #153

You're aware he's the author of the OP, aren't you? (nt) muriel_volestrangler Jul 2013 #155

Yeah, ProSense Jul 2013 #157

OP has been updated to omit to that souce. nt ucrdem Jul 2013 #166

More Reason For Snowden To Come Back To The U.S. And Face Trial... KharmaTrain Jul 2013 #151

So "the likes" of Bernie Sanders, Alan Grayson, Diane Feinstein, etc are also full of shit? tpsbmam Jul 2013 #154

The creep, whose article you use in your OP, is the same creep who owns USASURVIVAL.org. idwiyo Jul 2013 #158

"Impeach Cheney" by Bruce Fein klook Jul 2013 #159

Fein also drew up articles of impeachment against Barack Obama: ucrdem Jul 2013 #163

14 people rec'ed an OP citing a nutjob who also wrote "Obama's Communist Connectons". Mind boggles! idwiyo Jul 2013 #160

Wrong, as usual. The OP has been updated to omit that source. nt ucrdem Jul 2013 #164

Nice backpedaling! Too bad I have a screenshot of the original drivel you posted. :) idwiyo Jul 2013 #172

Great, tape it to your fridge and read it every day until it sinks in. nt ucrdem Jul 2013 #176

Despite your enthusiastic endorsement of Mr Cliff Kincaid article, I'll pass. Both stink too much. idwiyo Jul 2013 #196

I believe you're the expert who posted links to USASURVIVAL.org: ucrdem Jul 2013 #197

Without your choice of OP I wouldnt ever known it existed. :puke: idwiyo Jul 2013 #201

Yes I'm sure. nt ucrdem Jul 2013 #202

WTF is your deal? Bobbie Jo Jul 2013 #170

You are welcome to keep embracing an article written by Cliff Kincaid. I'll pass. idwiyo Jul 2013 #173

You liked it so much you saved a screenshot but now you'll pass. ucrdem Jul 2013 #177

Made sure you don't weasel out of this one. :) Those screenshots do come handy! idwiyo Jul 2013 #183

Yes I'm sure you have quite a collection. ucrdem Jul 2013 #184

I am sorry your attempt at weaseling out didn't work. idwiyo Jul 2013 #190

I'm sorry your attempt at censoring threads that embarrass Rand Paul didn't work. nt ucrdem Jul 2013 #193

Brilliant. Bobbie Jo Jul 2013 #179

Next time you might actually READ what you recommend. You have no one but yourself to blame. :) idwiyo Jul 2013 #187

How old are you? Bobbie Jo Jul 2013 #189

Old enough to recognise hypocrisy when I see it. idwiyo Jul 2013 #191

Uhuh Bobbie Jo Jul 2013 #194

Sorry you fucked up. ANYONE can do that. All you had to do was admit to it instead of going into idwiyo Jul 2013 #199

What are you talking about? If you don't have the decency to yank that stupid screen shot ucrdem Jul 2013 #200

No, it's not funny, it's very sad. I was dead serious when I wrote that all you had to do was admit idwiyo Jul 2013 #206

Your screenshot is outdated and absurd and only a fool would PM you. Sorry. nt ucrdem Jul 2013 #207

The screenshot record will stay where it is as a reminder of your hypocricy and lack of integrity. idwiyo Jul 2013 #211

So give yourself a loli. nt ucrdem Jul 2013 #214

Here's another screen shot for you Bobbie Jo Jul 2013 #204

Thank you. ucrdem Jul 2013 #205

Thank you for admiting that you did rec an article written by someone you otherwise idwiyo Jul 2013 #217

No one "admitted" any such thing and you're making a fool of yourself. nt ucrdem Jul 2013 #218

Weak. Bobbie Jo Jul 2013 #221

So now Snowden in addition to being unacceptable Savannahmann Jul 2013 #168

How many ways do you need to be told this is a RW bash that has NOTHING to do with your "rights"? ucrdem Jul 2013 #169

Really?> Savannahmann Jul 2013 #171

Civil rights are also voting rights and if there were 1% of the outrage about the recent SC decision ucrdem Jul 2013 #175

^^K&R^^ Progressive dog Jul 2013 #188

We have spoken out against it. Savannahmann Jul 2013 #222

Isn't this attorney representing Snowden's FATHER? deurbano Jul 2013 #219

Apparently he's written to Holder in defense of Eddie and helped p�re write this "open letter" ucrdem Jul 2013 #220

OH BOY, THAT'S GUILT BY ASSOCIATION!!!!! markiv Jul 2013 #180

Great, you're catching on. ucrdem Jul 2013 #182

thanks, Senator McCarthy would be proud of you markiv Jul 2013 #185

Tell this guy Bobbie Jo Jul 2013 #192

You recced your own thread?? burnodo Jul 2013 #186

Glad you found something to be outraged about. nt ucrdem Jul 2013 #195

BREAKING: Bruce Fein speaks -- on the Ron Paul forum! ucrdem Jul 2013 #198

Good find. n/t Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #226

Dear OP, McCarthyite tactics require much more skill and self control than you Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #213

unwarranted nasty comment nt flamingdem Jul 2013 #227

nice thread flamingdem Jul 2013 #230

Thank you! ucrdem Aug 2013 #232

I'm lurking again flamingdem Aug 2013 #235

Sooo glad to hear it flamingdem! ucrdem Aug 2013 #236

Roach Libertarian Propaganda.. Cha Aug 2013 #233

Thanks Cha! ucrdem Aug 2013 #234