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MH1

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10. I agree with all your other points, but

Sat Jul 6, 2013, 07:36 AM

Jul 2013

I think if I am afraid for my life, pull a gun and shoot the guy who has me afraid for my life, I would probably stop being afraid and stop screaming if I knew I got off a direct shot right at his chest.

Oh, I think Z is guilty as sin but after much thought, I don't think the scream ending with the shot 100% proves the scream was Trayvon's, although it seems likely.

On the other hand, in my view of the case, it is barely relevant who was screaming at that point, except to the emotions of the jurors. I don't see any doubt that Z caused the confrontation in the first place, which makes him guilty of manslaughter at the very least.

I also think the scream sounds like a young person (not that Z is very old from where I sit), and that it would make no sense for Z to be screaming when he is the one with the gun, who started this whole thing in the first place.

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Scream, Zimmerman, Scream! [View all] gort Jul 2013 OP

I suspect he would have no problem squealing. n/t pnwmom Jul 2013 #1

Cuz that would make it very clear that it southerncrone Jul 2013 #2

I think the OP's "Gee" signaled sarcasm. :-) WinkyDink Jul 2013 #11

I am usually sarcastic. :) gort Jul 2013 #17

I recognized that. southerncrone Jul 2013 #21

i was actually wondering about this also, the scream sounds like a younger voice to me JI7 Jul 2013 #3

That is where I am at gort Jul 2013 #5

I agree with all your other points, but MH1 Jul 2013 #10

Obviously it was NOT Zimmy's scream. But a scream of someone who was seconds from dying. graham4anything Jul 2013 #4

"if he doesn't testify, the jury will ask, why didn't he testify." = A point they will explicitly WinkyDink Jul 2013 #12

but I bet every jury does and this one will. I myself rooting for guilty, max sentence, no parole. graham4anything Jul 2013 #13

Exactly correct customerserviceguy Jul 2013 #15

the prosecution won't make anything out of it. but they won't have to. magical thyme Jul 2013 #61

But they will. nt brush Jul 2013 #36

I am 99.9% sure they won't put him on the stand davidpdx Jul 2013 #6

He couldn't do it, even if someone showed up to hold a gun on him while he tried. Judi Lynn Jul 2013 #7

Well, we all now know BellaKos Jul 2013 #8

It depends on who is murdered. yardwork Jul 2013 #42

How do you come to that conclusion? pintobean Jul 2013 #43

A seventeen year old is shot dead in his own apartment complex and the police don't even try to find yardwork Jul 2013 #44

It wasn't his own apartment complex. pintobean Jul 2013 #45

Also ... Caylee Anthony nt BellaKos Jul 2013 #47

I've had that same thought John2 Jul 2013 #9

I see no need to put him on the stand Duckwraps Jul 2013 #14

Can someone help me out? Shrek Jul 2013 #16

I guess because Zimmerman was fighting for his life he was screaming. lumpy Jul 2013 #20

Scream Significance ker0412 Jul 2013 #24

Z knbew he had a gun, Martin did not have a gun, now which one would one conclude was scared Thinkingabout Jul 2013 #51

If the scream doesn't fit, you must not acquit! nt Union Scribe Jul 2013 #18

R#7 & K for, excellent point. That STOLID DOLT is not capable of the high pitched scream besides UTUSN Jul 2013 #19

Wouldnt make any difference ker0412 Jul 2013 #22

Originally Z denied it was his scream Nevernose Jul 2013 #23

NO NO NO!!! ker0412 Jul 2013 #25

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2013 #26

When he spoke to the police Just Saying Jul 2013 #27

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2013 #28

How you took it doesn't mean that's how he meant it. Just Saying Jul 2013 #31

This kinda disputes the idea that GZ hasn't changed his story. Raine1967 Jul 2013 #50

yeah, and that is NOT him saying it was not him hfojvt Jul 2013 #56

Again that's YOUR interpretation of what he said. Just Saying Jul 2013 #62

no, that is an actual fact hfojvt Jul 2013 #64

No your opinion about what someone said Just Saying Jul 2013 #65

I know what opinions are hfojvt Jul 2013 #66

Okay let's review. Just Saying Jul 2013 #67

In his initial interview Nevernose Jul 2013 #32

Nah, it wasn't a denial. Just an expression of surprise. Vattel Jul 2013 #34

You still haven't addressed what Z said Nevernose Jul 2013 #37

all he said was hfojvt Jul 2013 #57

He never denied it. It's just another invented "story change" Azathoth Jul 2013 #33

He said on the tape "that doesn't sound like me." brush Jul 2013 #38

It doesn't sound like a denial as far as the English language is concerned Azathoth Jul 2013 #40

Sounds like someone's in denial. nt brush Jul 2013 #41

You're right. Clearly the English language is in denial n/t Azathoth Jul 2013 #48

Oh please, now come on. gollygee Jul 2013 #49

No, that's reading into it Azathoth Jul 2013 #54

Okay. If you say so. nt brush Jul 2013 #59

The discussion of the Zimmerman trial is full of interesting linguistic claims. Vattel Jul 2013 #60

Wouldn't it need to be a recording, with similar equipment used on the day of Trayvon's death? 99th_Monkey Jul 2013 #29

The chair! mindwalker_i Jul 2013 #30

It's God will that he won't testify. reusrename Jul 2013 #35

Exactamundo! nt brush Jul 2013 #39

I was an eye witness when a co-worker was murdered (shot to death) by her husband. Grammy23 Jul 2013 #46

I know of what you speak. Raine1967 Jul 2013 #52

The comment about the strain on the vocal cords is very significant - hedgehog Jul 2013 #53

Evgen though you're kidding... wercal Jul 2013 #55

I think it would be pointless to have Zimmerman try to replicate what he says were his screams..... Grammy23 Jul 2013 #58

Thank you for that gort Jul 2013 #63