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Iliyah

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22. Thanks - ucrdem!

Sat Jul 6, 2013, 07:41 AM

Jul 2013

Many liberal/progressives are aware of this and thanks for bringing much attention.

SSI, Medicare, Medcaid (Medi-Cal), unemployement insurance, civil liberties, et al., will be on the line. As to the 4 Amendment and what the United States of America is doing will not change and Rand Paul like all politicians are liars and the systems of the Patriot Act, NSA and others will remain intact.

Makes me wonder about who initially got Snowden involved in lifting information.

Attacks attacks attacks, but ucrdem I support your information.

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Snowden attorney speaks for Rand Paul, Lyndon LaRouche, and the 4th amendment [View all] ucrdem Jul 2013 OP

So, just to sum up . . . ucrdem Jul 2013 #1

James Brady worked for Reagan. Look at the Brady Bill. David Brock wrote two RW hit pieces Nanjing to Seoul Jul 2013 #4

Bill Maher was a self-proclaimed McCain libertarian? ucrdem Jul 2013 #6

He supported McCain in the 2000 election over Gore and Bush. Nanjing to Seoul Jul 2013 #20

There's also a video of him endorsing Ron Paul in 2008. Jamaal510 Jul 2013 #223

Taking this guilt by association thing a few more steps removed, aren't we? leveymg Jul 2013 #56

Because this is political and yes, their politics matter. ucrdem Jul 2013 #59

This makes the politics of people several steps removed from Snowden the issue. How is that leveymg Jul 2013 #70

Because they support Snowden who shares their frightwing politics. ucrdem Jul 2013 #78

Even if Snowden shares right wing politics, should that deflect from our concern totodeinhere Jul 2013 #96

Frightwing Jamaal510 Jul 2013 #224

How about "the politics of"... 99Forever Jul 2013 #101

The link in OP has an interesting book for sale!! lunasun Jul 2013 #85

So AIM was part of the Vince Foster Conspiracy Theory? Oh Snap! think Jul 2013 #94

Thank you for catching these facts. think Jul 2013 #102

Bruce Fein gutted the Fairness Doctrine. With glee. nt msanthrope Jul 2013 #138

Add the irony of purist Leftists on DU madly cheering Snowden going to Venezuela, a socialist flamingdem Jul 2013 #174

Kind of like Nixon in China ucrdem Jul 2013 #181

And the White House is spying on every American MannyGoldstein Jul 2013 #2

I suppose it would be, if it were true. ucrdem Jul 2013 #3

it is true. deal with it. cali Jul 2013 #11

I sent my brother a Christmas card that arrived six month later without the card. ucrdem Jul 2013 #15

that's not a response to the article. cali Jul 2013 #26

So is the belief that the USPS logs all mail. Ikonoklast Jul 2013 #87

what do you think of the article? Is it tinfoil? cali Jul 2013 #149

No, its an article about a guy who worked for a domestic terrorist org that committed mass arson. phleshdef Jul 2013 #208

You tell it Manny fasttense Jul 2013 #7

I would disagree with your choice of larger problem, if LaRouchites give us a tea party President. MH1 Jul 2013 #10

So very, very true. ucrdem Jul 2013 #21

In other words, lets not make a big stink over the surveillance state because doing totodeinhere Jul 2013 #109

They don't even consider the inquiries themselves 'legitimate,' fwiw. "If a Democrat is doing it, it HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #116

"It comes from a very ancient democracy, you see..." woo me with science Jul 2013 #142

Absolcluckinglutely MH1 flamingdem Jul 2013 #178

The White House? DeeDeeNY Jul 2013 #71

The masks are slipping. CakeGrrl Jul 2013 #228

It sure seems that way lately DeeDeeNY Jul 2013 #231

The important thing is that Snowden has body odor. Chef Eric Jul 2013 #84

No they aren't treestar Jul 2013 #161

Got any proof? sagat Jul 2013 #203

NO, it's not. Stop spreading lies. jazzimov Jul 2013 #229

Top US officials are running a secret, worldwide corporate spying program with NO oversight! fasttense Jul 2013 #5

I'm not talking about his "tonal oddities," I'm telling you he's a RW saboteur ucrdem Jul 2013 #9

How can he be a RW saboteur? fasttense Jul 2013 #18

No one expected the NSA to go bye-bye and no one promised that it would. ucrdem Jul 2013 #32

There is oversight treestar Jul 2013 #162

Guilt-by-association much? Geesh! NoMoreWarNow Jul 2013 #8

Yes I'm sure he's the soul of decency lately. ucrdem Jul 2013 #12

you really seem to have a chip on your shoulder about Snowden... NoMoreWarNow Jul 2013 #16

$$$? (nt) Jackpine Radical Jul 2013 #75

Why, yes! I suspect that's it, exactly, Jackpine... truth2power Jul 2013 #134

Thanks for not accusing me of being a lame Libertarian troll who thinks they're fooling anyone. ucrdem Jul 2013 #139

I for one consider Snowden a hero. cyclezealot Jul 2013 #14

yes, Fein had a bad past but he seemed to have turned around in the Bush years NoMoreWarNow Jul 2013 #19

You know that is not unusual. cyclezealot Jul 2013 #25

"Fein has appeared at two conferences this year sponsored by the Schiller Institute" ucrdem Jul 2013 #34

Snowden politics is of huge LukeFL Jul 2013 #88

BS. cyclezealot Jul 2013 #110

you mean like how a while back a fair number of pro-snowden supporters Bodhi BloodWave Jul 2013 #111

This does not have to be Anti Obama. cyclezealot Jul 2013 #156

you will get no argument from me on that Bodhi BloodWave Jul 2013 #210

This is astonishingly lame cali Jul 2013 #13

That's practically a compliment. ucrdem Jul 2013 #17

you're welcome. how about responding to my post upthread? cali Jul 2013 #24

I responded. I guess you missed the point which I'll explain: ucrdem Jul 2013 #27

Don't get your hopes up Scootaloo Jul 2013 #29

Look up. ucrdem Jul 2013 #30

Key word, "meaningful" Scootaloo Jul 2013 #33

What else do you need? ucrdem Jul 2013 #36

I'm not looking for anything, honestly Scootaloo Jul 2013 #40

Awwwwwwwwwwwwww Iliyah Jul 2013 #44

No, I called it FUCKING stupid, get it right or don't bother Scootaloo Jul 2013 #47

At some point, you should create an OP around this and build upon HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #141

Look, NSA-gate is not, was not, and never will be about the 4th amendment ucrdem Jul 2013 #46

You seem to be shitting your pants nevertheless. Scootaloo Jul 2013 #51

Nopity. I'm pushing back against the swiftboaters. ucrdem Jul 2013 #53

No, you're not Scootaloo Jul 2013 #60

LaRouche is not a "dumbass" and only a fool would think he's not dangerous. ucrdem Jul 2013 #69

Thanks - ucrdem! Iliyah Jul 2013 #22

Thanks Iliyah, much appreciated. ucrdem Jul 2013 #28

You are welcome! Iliyah Jul 2013 #35

+1 graham4anything Jul 2013 #126

AIM is the group who helped spread the Vincent Fostor Conspiracy Theory think Jul 2013 #130

Mabye you'd rather hear it directly from Lyndon LaRouche? ucrdem Jul 2013 #137

Just letting him know your source. sorry that bothers you.... think Jul 2013 #140

Here's a transcript of "civil libertarian" Fein's Jan. 26 speech at LaRouche's Schiller Institute ucrdem Jul 2013 #145

It's the slant and the original source that is the rub...... think Jul 2013 #147

Did everyone know about Snowden's LaRouche connection? ucrdem Jul 2013 #148

Did Larouche help Snowden expose the NSA documents? I missed that one think Jul 2013 #152

Joe McCarthy called, Waiting For Everyman Jul 2013 #23

My girlfriend's parents are Republicans. East Coast Pirate Jul 2013 #31

But does he have ties to Jeremiah Wright Union Scribe Jul 2013 #37

Oh for sure! & check out AIM where link is from = big time finger pointers lunasun Jul 2013 #89

WTF: Did you just lump the 4th amendment in with Rand Paul & Lyndon Larouche? think Jul 2013 #38

Is the thread title inaccurate? ucrdem Jul 2013 #39

LOL Iliyah Jul 2013 #41

Apparently so if a Larouche supporter is doing it. Wouldn't want to be lumped in with him think Jul 2013 #42

Dick Cheney speaks for the Republicans, Halliburton, & Barack Obama think Jul 2013 #50

You failed to support your assertion with any evidence. nt ucrdem Jul 2013 #52

Evidence like: "Cheney defends Obama on Drone Strikes"? think Jul 2013 #58

So start a thread about it. Maybe you can get a statement from Larry Sinclair. nt ucrdem Jul 2013 #62

Lump away. It's completely true but still disingenuous and you know it. think Jul 2013 #63

Larry Sinclair's story is completely true? ucrdem Jul 2013 #65

Who the fuck is Larry Sinclair? think Jul 2013 #68

Look it up. nt ucrdem Jul 2013 #74

No. Unless he has something to do with the 4th being violated by the NSA think Jul 2013 #76

He's as relevant as your claim about Cheney. nt ucrdem Jul 2013 #79

Dickie poo Iliyah Jul 2013 #82

What in the fuck is this pile of words? DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2013 #128

WHAT???? Iliyah Jul 2013 #54

and bullshit when it comes to the 4th amendment being lumped with Larouche! think Jul 2013 #61

If LaRouche has made the 4th amendment a pet issue, that should give you pause. ucrdem Jul 2013 #64

You are the one lumping the 4th in with Larocuhe or did you forget? think Jul 2013 #67

LaRouche and Rand Paul made the 4th amendment their issue, not me. nt ucrdem Jul 2013 #72

Ya the NSA violating the 4th doesn't seem to a big issue with some.... think Jul 2013 #73

Look, if you don't believe me, read this from a DUer who's been around longer: ucrdem Jul 2013 #80

If its in the Bill of Rights, it should give you pause. DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2013 #131

wow, naaman fletcher Jul 2013 #43

Oh my gosh Iliyah Jul 2013 #45

people naaman fletcher Jul 2013 #48

Yippee, then I'm not one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Iliyah Jul 2013 #66

Metadata does not belong to you. stonecutter357 Jul 2013 #49

There is a LaRouchie that sets up a table outside the post office... graham4anything Jul 2013 #55

There is an OP today saying NSA has a dossier on just about every one of us. freedom fighter jh Jul 2013 #57

Principle vs Partisanship pmorlan1 Jul 2013 #104

Anyone who can get a credit report has a "dossier" on you treestar Jul 2013 #165

Where is the real North Carolina money man -Pope - in all of this?? n/t malaise Jul 2013 #77

Kenny Boy who? tridim Jul 2013 #81

Yeah. cherokeeprogressive Jul 2013 #83

Theodore Olson. Rings the bell? I doubt it. idwiyo Jul 2013 #86

Hey, some RWers do see the light on some issues Iliyah Jul 2013 #93

Was he also right in Bush vs Gore? idwiyo Jul 2013 #98

Wikipedia link Babel_17 Jul 2013 #90

Sounds like an impressive record for a lawyer. I'd hire him if I need to defend myself for my idwiyo Jul 2013 #106

You should have started an ProSense Jul 2013 #91

Top of the morning to you ProSense! Iliyah Jul 2013 #114

How many times do we have to repeat that this is not about Snowden or his attorney totodeinhere Jul 2013 #92

This story is by AIM, Accuracy in Media. Please check out this Wiki entry think Jul 2013 #100

An article that starts with "NSA traitor" can be safely ignored as bullshit. Nt. Warren Stupidity Jul 2013 #95

Except that it's true. ucrdem Jul 2013 #115

Traitor has a specific meaning. No act of treason has occurred, no charge of treason filed. Warren Stupidity Jul 2013 #120

May I ask what on earth are you're talking about? ucrdem Jul 2013 #124

Wait, first you argue with me then you claim you have no idea what I'm talking about? Warren Stupidity Jul 2013 #127

Oh good grief. You a discerning reader, please. And if you want to know, ucrdem Jul 2013 #133

"yes, Snowden is a traitor" - well except of course that he did not commit an act of treason. Warren Stupidity Jul 2013 #209

Article 3, Section 3 of the US Constitution states: ucrdem Jul 2013 #212

Yes? And which enemies would that be? Warren Stupidity Jul 2013 #215

The ones we conduct cyberwarfare against at a cost of billions annually. nt ucrdem Jul 2013 #216

You've sunk to using Accuracy in Media as a source? People are getting desperate. Fuddnik Jul 2013 #97

Yeah, but as long as they sing what OP wants, it's all GOOD!!! idwiyo Jul 2013 #108

As it happens, it's accurate, at least as far as Fein speaking at LaRouche's Schiller Institute: ucrdem Jul 2013 #117

Guilt by association - yay Anarcho-Socialist Jul 2013 #99

Don't trust Wikipedia at all Iliyah Jul 2013 #103

This message was self-deleted by its author lunasun Jul 2013 #225

This is a fun game. Let's try it with Obama! noamnety Jul 2013 #105

Is DU going to allow McCarthyism like this to stand? - nt HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #107

You'd be ProSense Jul 2013 #118

Thanks ProSense! ucrdem Jul 2013 #121

Exactly. treestar Jul 2013 #167

Pointing out an attorney's LaRouche and Rand Paul connections is not allowed? ucrdem Jul 2013 #119

Only for people who disagree with Iliyah Jul 2013 #123

Your OP disgusts me with its blatant use of the 'association fallacy'. You've HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #132

Here ProSense Jul 2013 #135

You're really scraping the bottom of the barrel with this one... truth2power Jul 2013 #112

And forget name calling people who disagree with Iliyah Jul 2013 #122

You can't claim "progressive" like wearing a junior varsity letterman jacket bobduca Jul 2013 #143

LaRouchePac: "Constitutional Lawyer Bruce Fein Blasts Obama and Israel" ucrdem Jul 2013 #113

So what your saying then Android3.14 Jul 2013 #125

"The stupid, it not only burns, but it's bipartisan". Good one, Android... truth2power Jul 2013 #129

No, that isn't close to what I'm saying. ucrdem Jul 2013 #136

SPLC: Kincaid pushes conspiracy theories, demonizing propaganda, and lies about LGBT, Muslims, Dems muriel_volestrangler Jul 2013 #144

This thread is about Bruce Fein. nt ucrdem Jul 2013 #146

Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha! muriel_volestrangler Jul 2013 #150

OK, that guy is a nut! n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #153

You're aware he's the author of the OP, aren't you? (nt) muriel_volestrangler Jul 2013 #155

Yeah, ProSense Jul 2013 #157

OP has been updated to omit to that souce. nt ucrdem Jul 2013 #166

More Reason For Snowden To Come Back To The U.S. And Face Trial... KharmaTrain Jul 2013 #151

So "the likes" of Bernie Sanders, Alan Grayson, Diane Feinstein, etc are also full of shit? tpsbmam Jul 2013 #154

The creep, whose article you use in your OP, is the same creep who owns USASURVIVAL.org. idwiyo Jul 2013 #158

"Impeach Cheney" by Bruce Fein klook Jul 2013 #159

Fein also drew up articles of impeachment against Barack Obama: ucrdem Jul 2013 #163

14 people rec'ed an OP citing a nutjob who also wrote "Obama's Communist Connectons". Mind boggles! idwiyo Jul 2013 #160

Wrong, as usual. The OP has been updated to omit that source. nt ucrdem Jul 2013 #164

Nice backpedaling! Too bad I have a screenshot of the original drivel you posted. :) idwiyo Jul 2013 #172

Great, tape it to your fridge and read it every day until it sinks in. nt ucrdem Jul 2013 #176

Despite your enthusiastic endorsement of Mr Cliff Kincaid article, I'll pass. Both stink too much. idwiyo Jul 2013 #196

I believe you're the expert who posted links to USASURVIVAL.org: ucrdem Jul 2013 #197

Without your choice of OP I wouldnt ever known it existed. :puke: idwiyo Jul 2013 #201

Yes I'm sure. nt ucrdem Jul 2013 #202

WTF is your deal? Bobbie Jo Jul 2013 #170

You are welcome to keep embracing an article written by Cliff Kincaid. I'll pass. idwiyo Jul 2013 #173

You liked it so much you saved a screenshot but now you'll pass. ucrdem Jul 2013 #177

Made sure you don't weasel out of this one. :) Those screenshots do come handy! idwiyo Jul 2013 #183

Yes I'm sure you have quite a collection. ucrdem Jul 2013 #184

I am sorry your attempt at weaseling out didn't work. idwiyo Jul 2013 #190

I'm sorry your attempt at censoring threads that embarrass Rand Paul didn't work. nt ucrdem Jul 2013 #193

Brilliant. Bobbie Jo Jul 2013 #179

Next time you might actually READ what you recommend. You have no one but yourself to blame. :) idwiyo Jul 2013 #187

How old are you? Bobbie Jo Jul 2013 #189

Old enough to recognise hypocrisy when I see it. idwiyo Jul 2013 #191

Uhuh Bobbie Jo Jul 2013 #194

Sorry you fucked up. ANYONE can do that. All you had to do was admit to it instead of going into idwiyo Jul 2013 #199

What are you talking about? If you don't have the decency to yank that stupid screen shot ucrdem Jul 2013 #200

No, it's not funny, it's very sad. I was dead serious when I wrote that all you had to do was admit idwiyo Jul 2013 #206

Your screenshot is outdated and absurd and only a fool would PM you. Sorry. nt ucrdem Jul 2013 #207

The screenshot record will stay where it is as a reminder of your hypocricy and lack of integrity. idwiyo Jul 2013 #211

So give yourself a loli. nt ucrdem Jul 2013 #214

Here's another screen shot for you Bobbie Jo Jul 2013 #204

Thank you. ucrdem Jul 2013 #205

Thank you for admiting that you did rec an article written by someone you otherwise idwiyo Jul 2013 #217

No one "admitted" any such thing and you're making a fool of yourself. nt ucrdem Jul 2013 #218

Weak. Bobbie Jo Jul 2013 #221

So now Snowden in addition to being unacceptable Savannahmann Jul 2013 #168

How many ways do you need to be told this is a RW bash that has NOTHING to do with your "rights"? ucrdem Jul 2013 #169

Really?> Savannahmann Jul 2013 #171

Civil rights are also voting rights and if there were 1% of the outrage about the recent SC decision ucrdem Jul 2013 #175

^^K&R^^ Progressive dog Jul 2013 #188

We have spoken out against it. Savannahmann Jul 2013 #222

Isn't this attorney representing Snowden's FATHER? deurbano Jul 2013 #219

Apparently he's written to Holder in defense of Eddie and helped p�re write this "open letter" ucrdem Jul 2013 #220

OH BOY, THAT'S GUILT BY ASSOCIATION!!!!! markiv Jul 2013 #180

Great, you're catching on. ucrdem Jul 2013 #182

thanks, Senator McCarthy would be proud of you markiv Jul 2013 #185

Tell this guy Bobbie Jo Jul 2013 #192

You recced your own thread?? burnodo Jul 2013 #186

Glad you found something to be outraged about. nt ucrdem Jul 2013 #195

BREAKING: Bruce Fein speaks -- on the Ron Paul forum! ucrdem Jul 2013 #198

Good find. n/t Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #226

Dear OP, McCarthyite tactics require much more skill and self control than you Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #213

unwarranted nasty comment nt flamingdem Jul 2013 #227

nice thread flamingdem Jul 2013 #230

Thank you! ucrdem Aug 2013 #232

I'm lurking again flamingdem Aug 2013 #235

Sooo glad to hear it flamingdem! ucrdem Aug 2013 #236

Roach Libertarian Propaganda.. Cha Aug 2013 #233

Thanks Cha! ucrdem Aug 2013 #234