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TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)
23. so what if he was a renter?
Sat Jul 6, 2013, 11:44 AM
Jul 2013

I'm a renter. Never in my life would I ever be able to afford my own house. There's nothing wrong with being a renter rather than a home owner. Just because you don't own the home you live in doesn't make you any less worthy of the same safety that people who DO own their homes are entitled to, nor should it exempt them from participating in Neighborhood Watch since us renters are just as much community members as home owners, and some of us stick around longer than a lot of home owners.

On my street which is half owner occupied with the other half being renters, it's the renters that are more careful of their behavior, how they take care of the rental property, how they get along with their neighbors, etc. because as a renter you can be booted out of the house at any time and for just such issues. Landlords don't WANT tenants that have problems with the neighbors, don't keep the property immaculate, and tenants are basically at their mercy as to whether or not the landlord is willing to keep them as a tenant. As a renter you have to work a hell of a lot harder at being a good neighbor than a home owner does since us renters are subject to losing our ability to live in the home while home owners have the safety of being the home owner so that they don't have to worry about whether or not they're a good neighbor, whether they let their home go to rack and ruin, etc. for the simple reason that because they own the home nobody can kick them out. Renters also pay the same as owners in taxes since that amount is calculated into the rental charge.

Shame on you for disparaging renters! It's horribly offensive and damned bigoted.

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It amazes me that Zimmerman was on neighborhood watch, but he didn't know his neighbors! hedgehog Jul 2013 #1
...or even the street names n/t Cal Carpenter Jul 2013 #2
It amazes me that Zimmerman was on neighborhood watch Flashmann Jul 2013 #9
why do people keep bringing up rand Paul? backwoodsbob Jul 2013 #110
why do people keep bringing up rand Paul? Flashmann Jul 2013 #113
How often do rogue neighborhood watch people shoot unarmed people walking though penultimate Jul 2013 #3
On ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. avebury Jul 2013 #4
That's exactly the type to worry about: a busybody with "gun courage" and a need to be obeyed arcane1 Jul 2013 #28
Sick. Mojo Electro Jul 2013 #55
People like that should not be given any such power... penultimate Jul 2013 #57
If carrying a gun RGR375 Jul 2013 #76
For me, this has less to do with him carrying a gun and more to do with his actions... penultimate Jul 2013 #81
I don't think he was on watch RGR375 Jul 2013 #90
Property owners can ban guns on their property. Thor_MN Jul 2013 #129
That's an excellent point. FarPoint Jul 2013 #8
And one other important point brush Jul 2013 #19
Even if he did identify himself as such, isn't 'watch' the operative word in neighborhood watch? penultimate Jul 2013 #63
Agreed! Agreed! Agreed! brush Jul 2013 #69
Yeah, I figured I'm just preaching the choir here... penultimate Jul 2013 #78
he just wanted to hunt fugitives so badly Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #103
I have not seen or heard any evidence that Zimmerman ever avebury Jul 2013 #26
Additionally, did Z identify himself as a Neighborhood Watch FarPoint Jul 2013 #120
Transcript and audio is here Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #123
Thanks.... FarPoint Jul 2013 #124
IIRC from testimony Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #125
I heard that too... FarPoint Jul 2013 #126
He sure didn't Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #128
Yup. I would want HappyMe Jul 2013 #14
People carrying guns scare me katmondoo Jul 2013 #5
I'm like you targetpractice Jul 2013 #13
In some states Duckwraps Jul 2013 #20
Just curious and an honest question Duckwraps Jul 2013 #16
Mistakenly perhaps ... GeorgeGist Jul 2013 #34
That assumption may be wrong. Heck of a lot of wrongful deaths by police anymore. Duckwraps Jul 2013 #47
Do you have statistics on wrongful death at the hands of LEO vs. citizens? n/t Just Saying Jul 2013 #79
No I don't think they are available, Duckwraps Jul 2013 #88
We don't even have the stats and you're already splitting hairs. Just Saying Jul 2013 #107
I'll answer that for you... RevStPatrick Jul 2013 #48
+1 n/t handmade34 Jul 2013 #52
I'm sorry but that is no answer at all. Duckwraps Jul 2013 #60
Name-calling is against community standards. Just Saying Jul 2013 #68
Huh? Duckwraps Jul 2013 #91
I live in Ohio Just Saying Jul 2013 #106
Thanks, it is just the opposite here. Figured Duckwraps Jul 2013 #111
The only people who I've ever seen openly carry Just Saying Jul 2013 #112
I'm not so sure you Duckwraps Jul 2013 #127
I live in Florida and very few stores have no gun signs on their doors. ... spin Jul 2013 #117
Let me explain. ... spin Jul 2013 #114
Do you live in an area that you fear for your life in a grocery store parking lots? Thor_MN Jul 2013 #131
I lived in the same house for 37 years in Tampa. Over that time frame my neighborhood ... spin Jul 2013 #133
Yes, I am calling... RevStPatrick Jul 2013 #75
Thank you for a direct no BS Duckwraps Jul 2013 #89
And all that is, premium Jul 2013 #94
What you said. old guy Jul 2013 #62
I don't think that's always the case.... penultimate Jul 2013 #72
I find your suggestion that anyone who would carry in a supermarket should be sent ... spin Jul 2013 #109
Did you have fun with that? RevStPatrick Jul 2013 #116
Yes actually I did have fun with that post. ... spin Jul 2013 #118
Honest question in reply. What fear drives people to carry? Thor_MN Jul 2013 #132
People illegally carrying guns scare me. ... spin Jul 2013 #119
Zimmerman should teach us that allowing any yahoo to tote a gun in public is moronic. Hoyt Jul 2013 #6
The obvious solution is we need more gun nuts to keep us safe from the gun nuts Major Nikon Jul 2013 #11
Zimm wasn't even an owner! Just a renter ecstatic Jul 2013 #7
Didn't know that brush Jul 2013 #21
so what if he was a renter? TorchTheWitch Jul 2013 #23
His actions just killed the property values of everyone else in the neighborhood. Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #33
He can't walk away until the lease is up TorchTheWitch Jul 2013 #73
I don't disagree Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #98
I apologize if it came across that way ecstatic Jul 2013 #38
his liability is greater as a renter TorchTheWitch Jul 2013 #85
I wasn't disparaging renters ecstatic Jul 2013 #95
All gun nuts are potential Zimmermans. Address that problem first. nt onehandle Jul 2013 #10
Agree. It's the people, not the guns. NYC_SKP Jul 2013 #15
EGGactly!!! Excellent point nt Duckwraps Jul 2013 #17
But keeping guns out of the hands of the nuts Just Saying Jul 2013 #80
Yes, and we have dropped the ball on that one. NYC_SKP Jul 2013 #87
Agree 100% n/t Just Saying Jul 2013 #108
From what I've gathered Cirque du So-What Jul 2013 #12
Not so fast Major Nikon Jul 2013 #22
In that case Cirque du So-What Jul 2013 #41
Word on the street is they have already paid a million Major Nikon Jul 2013 #45
Homeowners need to attend their annual meetings, DURHAM D Jul 2013 #18
Isn't there a way to look into HappyMe Jul 2013 #24
Absolutely! And not just for issues like Zimmerman. avebury Jul 2013 #27
I would also wonder about how much HappyMe Jul 2013 #29
I was watching one of the OKC City Counsel meetings one day. avebury Jul 2013 #37
That's awful. HappyMe Jul 2013 #40
Totally. avebury Jul 2013 #43
That was not an HOA. DURHAM D Jul 2013 #56
Perfect example, NM_Birder Jul 2013 #115
Yes. Before making an offer - DURHAM D Jul 2013 #32
Good to know. HappyMe Jul 2013 #35
And if you buy, attend the annual meetings every year. avebury Jul 2013 #42
Good information! Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #122
So you're saying that had Zimmy executed such a document, the HOA would have no liability flvegan Jul 2013 #25
I think what you need is to know exactly what avebury Jul 2013 #30
I agree. Especially here in Florida. flvegan Jul 2013 #39
I think the HOA should be held liable. HappyMe Jul 2013 #31
I agree that if flvegan Jul 2013 #44
If he identified himself as their 'watch', HappyMe Jul 2013 #49
The Board repeatedly identified Zimmerman as their watch guy. DURHAM D Jul 2013 #58
Well, they may be screwed. HappyMe Jul 2013 #59
I think that's pipi_k Jul 2013 #36
There's no need for the watch people HappyMe Jul 2013 #46
Agree. If they want armed security they should pay for it. NYC_SKP Jul 2013 #50
How do they watch? pipi_k Jul 2013 #65
They're not supposed pipi_k Jul 2013 #61
If it's dark, and somebody is following me, HappyMe Jul 2013 #64
Well, that was my point... pipi_k Jul 2013 #66
The "watch" people don't need that. HappyMe Jul 2013 #70
I think THIS is where mental health is most relevant loyalsister Jul 2013 #51
It's only a "watch". HappyMe Jul 2013 #54
I'm talking about very basic questions... loyalsister Jul 2013 #74
Yeesh. HappyMe Jul 2013 #77
I don't think you understand how those inventories work loyalsister Jul 2013 #92
It sounds like too much crap to go through HappyMe Jul 2013 #93
Do you think this is the first time someone inclined to kill loyalsister Jul 2013 #105
reinterpret the 2nd and end the travesty of individuals not law enforcement having guns nt. graham4anything Jul 2013 #53
Good luck with that idea. (n/t) spin Jul 2013 #121
I live across the street from a neighborhood park. gordianot Jul 2013 #67
you had a six year old intruder? Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #104
I think he was the only member Nevernose Jul 2013 #71
Was Kohl's in his development too? HockeyMom Jul 2013 #82
Oh yes. HappyMe Jul 2013 #86
I would say that the HOA should be a co defendent gopiscrap Jul 2013 #83
The HOA has already settled with the family avebury Jul 2013 #97
thank you gopiscrap Jul 2013 #99
Wow. That is surprising Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #100
Maybe that thought it would cost them more if avebury Jul 2013 #101
It isn't up to the defendents to set the timing of the suit though. Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #102
All boils down to the fact the HomeOwners wanted something for nothing Tippy Jul 2013 #84
Make sure the desired anti-gun policies are clearly written in the CCRs. Trillo Jul 2013 #96
Home owners associations ARE liable... 99Forever Jul 2013 #130
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