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phleshdef

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113. Wow, the illiteracy is strong with this one ^

Sat Jul 6, 2013, 01:39 PM

Jul 2013

You obviously didn't read anything I said or you just failed to understand it. I said if Snowden has used the proper legal channels to air his so called concerns and hadn't went and sold out classified data to other countries, then I would be fine with it.

I believe these surveillance programs are too broad and need to be reigned in. But the difference between people like me and people like you and a lot of other foamy mouthed DUers is that I can say that without engaging in rampant hyperbole and acting like a manic little shit about it.

I don't worship anyone. Do I still like President Obama? Yes. Absolutely. Do I think he is on the wrong path by not reigning this stuff in? Yes. Absolutely.

Regardless of President Obama, I personally dislike Snowden for all the reasons I state in the previous post. He IS a right wing tool. He IS a hypocrite. He IS a criminal because of the way he handled this. So yea, I'm not gonna be making in any posts where I verbally twirl Snowden's dick around in my mouth anytime soon. I'll leave that for others. You'll live.

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I am getting the odd sense that some don't like Snowden because he made the establishment look bad [View all] The Straight Story Jul 2013 OP

Perhaps instead of trying to make up something about why those opposed to Snowden feel that way.... VanillaRhapsody Jul 2013 #1

I tried, but there is never any audio, just a bunch of text The Straight Story Jul 2013 #2

Smart ass answer. You know exactly what the poster was asking for. bluestate10 Jul 2013 #27

Heh. Ilk. Nice use of the word. The Straight Story Jul 2013 #36

"Bet if Romney was in you wouldn't be so passive about it." tex-wyo-dem Jul 2013 #68

Romney is not in, Obama is, and he is the most honest politician in modern history. tridim Jul 2013 #152

You're joking right? raindaddy Jul 2013 #154

You know we will have shitty presidents after Obama, right? The precedents the good ones make Ed Suspicious Jul 2013 #157

This is a war between the 1% and the 99%. Which side do you choose? You wont say will you? nm rhett o rick Jul 2013 #43

No they won't warrant46 Jul 2013 #95

"fast and loose with the truth" Jakes Progress Jul 2013 #71

Nixon Lied....Kennedy Lied VanillaRhapsody Jul 2013 #155

Never said that I did. Jakes Progress Jul 2013 #172

I guess I'm one of the ilk you apparently find disgusting. I like that stand your ground A Simple Game Jul 2013 #121

you could enlighten us. nashville_brook Jul 2013 #5

That would involve an honest discussion rather than an CakeGrrl Jul 2013 #18

It comes down to how much you value democracy, representative government. I value it greatly. JDPriestly Jul 2013 #72

Beautifully stated! TM99 Jul 2013 #84

Thank you. We freedom-lovers have to stick together. JDPriestly Jul 2013 #85

We do, even when called 'libertarians'. TM99 Jul 2013 #87

Many thanks... I agree with you entirely. nenagh Jul 2013 #86

Well, this was more subtly stated than the usual CakeGrrl Jul 2013 #93

The M$M would sooner be bastinadoed than talk about policy, particularly in respect to surveillance Fumesucker Jul 2013 #94

Bingo malokvale77 Jul 2013 #104

The law LiberalLovinLug Jul 2013 #116

As I see it, Booz Allen and the government stole our information. JDPriestly Jul 2013 #130

yes marions ghost Jul 2013 #146

Bravo! kentuck Jul 2013 #96

Don't even wonder about this Aerows Jul 2013 #97

Thanks. JDPriestly Jul 2013 #106

In the not to distant past government employees... Blanks Jul 2013 #117

The government did not track our mail until recently. JDPriestly Jul 2013 #136

simplistic thinking marions ghost Jul 2013 #147

That's sure to be it. Blanks Jul 2013 #160

No need marions ghost Jul 2013 #171

Who are the Kardashians? Blanks Jul 2013 #174

Trust me--this is an everyday issue marions ghost Jul 2013 #175

I appreciate your reasoned response, but... Blanks Jul 2013 #176

OK I get it... marions ghost Jul 2013 #177

100% right on! Beautifully said. Enthusiast Jul 2013 #126

JDPriestly lordsummerisle Jul 2013 #143

+1 (nt) Kurovski Jul 2013 #165

"Because if he can be exempt, why should ANYONE be held to account for their crimes?" rhett o rick Jul 2013 #105

More of the attempted condescension CakeGrrl Jul 2013 #167

I know of lot's of bankers that broke the law in a much more serious xtraxritical Jul 2013 #118

LOL yep we bail out the criminal banksters but Snowden gets nothing. There's no real justice anymore L0oniX Jul 2013 #120

Agreed. JDPriestly Jul 2013 #137

upside down cake fascisthunter Jul 2013 #149

lol... we have fascisthunter Jul 2013 #148

nah, just drones. nt galileoreloaded Jul 2013 #3

Thats pretty much it. HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #4

So more putting words in their mouth? VanillaRhapsody Jul 2013 #6

Obama kardonb Jul 2013 #51

fuel gauges don't register when no fuel. HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #57

The plane had to land because of a problem with the fuel gauge indicator JDPriestly Jul 2013 #80

Our government should eat humble pie and apologize. Enthusiast Jul 2013 #127

Yes. JDPriestly Jul 2013 #138

Actually, information access *should* be asymmetrical. woo me with science Jul 2013 #7

Indeed. But I don't think they believe we employ them but the other way around The Straight Story Jul 2013 #9

OK. Then, when we have another Oklahoma City or 9/11, and believe me, we will if your bluestate10 Jul 2013 #21

Or another Bosten bombing? usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #30

Death by terrorist is statistically zero compared to other causes of death. Yet rhett o rick Jul 2013 #45

"If people are so afraid of dying, they'd be better off chasing down drunk drivers"... Kurovski Jul 2013 #166

We'll have another Oklahoma City or 9/11 whether or not we live in a security state. winter is coming Jul 2013 #33

+1,000 n/t Lugnut Jul 2013 #55

You put STFU in your post (on DU of all places) go west young man Jul 2013 #46

They said "please". Enthusiast Jul 2013 #131

TERRA! woo me with science Jul 2013 #50

Why do you worry about these singular events when a MILLION Americans die mbperrin Jul 2013 #63

+1000! tex-wyo-dem Jul 2013 #78

Yes, and that's why single payer universal is STILL my top priority! mbperrin Jul 2013 #103

There are too many factions profiteering on our health care. Enthusiast Jul 2013 #133

If you want safety, buy a house on a big lot and build a bunker on your property. JDPriestly Jul 2013 #75

So, you would have no problem explaining how this would have stopped either Egalitarian Thug Jul 2013 #90

Frankly, I don't give a fuck. Those events happened even with government invasion of privacy. JVS Jul 2013 #92

I'll take 'What a scaremonger would say' for $50 bobduca Jul 2013 #110

Careful ...I hear Conda Sleeza Rice is roaming around on DU. L0oniX Jul 2013 #125

Except that all this spying has not stopped ANYTHING. alarimer Jul 2013 #123

I hear there's a possible mushroom cloud if we don't go to war right now. L0oniX Jul 2013 #124

Bush had plenty of information to stop 9/11. It could have been prevented. JDPriestly Jul 2013 #140

I agree. JDPriestly Jul 2013 #139

When people start demonizing the Bolivian president, not for anything he actually did, but Marr Jul 2013 #8

If these are truly Democrats that are saying that, then it shows that... AZ Progressive Jul 2013 #10

His story stinks, jazzimov Jul 2013 #15

You won't make any statements, but Morales is a liar DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2013 #25

For his story not to be true it would have to be a stream of lucky go west young man Jul 2013 #49

We'll roll us a fattie. Enthusiast Jul 2013 #135

Any theory contradicting his story rapidly descends into obviously farcical nonsense. sibelian Jul 2013 #91

What Morales said agrees with what the Austrian and French sources say. JDPriestly Jul 2013 #141

I am truly sorry that you are getting that sense, jazzimov Jul 2013 #11

Nice try on that last part The Straight Story Jul 2013 #17

I'm more concerned about what Obama admitted to than what is in the documents. JDPriestly Jul 2013 #156

He makes the people look powerful... kentuck Jul 2013 #12

I think that's totally it Hydra Jul 2013 #13

Pretty much. To some, Obama is their personal hero LittleBlue Jul 2013 #14

I don't like Snowden because he is a coward and a traitor. No one else, in the history bluestate10 Jul 2013 #16

Given we have tortured people and put them in jails without charges and keep them there The Straight Story Jul 2013 #19

You tell it just the way it is...we are not the same movonne Jul 2013 #47

Thank you for saying it well. mbperrin Jul 2013 #64

Some might define coward as someone who targets civillians with drones. HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #59

Mark Felt hid for over 30 years before he was revealed as Deep Throat muriel_volestrangler Jul 2013 #99

Apparently you've never heard of ... GeorgeGist Jul 2013 #132

Snowden took aim at President Obama on the international scene hardcover Jul 2013 #20

you think leaking info to the Chinese & Russians is "making the establishment look bad"? LOL! KittyWampus Jul 2013 #22

Most emphatically, yes. n/t DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2013 #28

Keep waving that flag blindly. We didn't use to do so in last admin The Straight Story Jul 2013 #31

It's disingenious anyway, as he has not exclusively shared anything with the chinese or russian gov. Democracyinkind Jul 2013 #89

he looks bad because he is being used as a doormat Blue_Roses Jul 2013 #23

That may be true for some folks, but mostly likely in my mind is ZombieHorde Jul 2013 #24

It's just the same sort of blind partisanship you see from Sean Hannity or some other Fox News type. Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #26

it will self-correct in 2016 Skittles Jul 2013 #48

HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Jul 2013 #29

Snowden is a coward. ProSense Jul 2013 #32

The government should let it go noise Jul 2013 #37

Not likely. n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #40

No, a coward is someone who kills kids using drones from thousands of miles away The Straight Story Jul 2013 #38

How about ProSense Jul 2013 #42

If you are bombing people not a threat to you. Yes. They call it something else when citizens do it The Straight Story Jul 2013 #44

Song for you courtesy of Roger Waters. "The Bravery Of Being Out Of Range" go west young man Jul 2013 #53

Others might call that state-sponsored terrorism. nt HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #60

... Apophis Jul 2013 #65

Strange definition of "coward" LiberalLovinLug Jul 2013 #128

Is calling Snowden a coward just another psy-ops technique? JDPriestly Jul 2013 #161

+ Democracy Octafish Jul 2013 #173

Makes sense to me... fadedrose Jul 2013 #179

Wide scale surveillance noise Jul 2013 #34

You got it right nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #35

Oooof. "The Establishment" alcibiades_mystery Jul 2013 #39

What's wrong with "The Establishment"? Yes, it's somewhat outdated but the Cleita Jul 2013 #56

Thank you for putting it into words, The Straight Story. Octafish Jul 2013 #41

speaking of security agencies.money and bodies questionseverything Jul 2013 #81

end game questionseverything Jul 2013 #82

oh for sure, that's what's so creepy about. allin99 Jul 2013 #52

. blkmusclmachine Jul 2013 #54

I don't like him because he has been actively interfering in foreign diplomacy pnwmom Jul 2013 #58

What diplomacy? mbperrin Jul 2013 #69

He shared documents about our spying on China when Obama was meeting with pnwmom Jul 2013 #70

Okay, so the Chinese and the Russians had NO idea that we were spying on them before Snowden, yet mbperrin Jul 2013 #102

Are you kidding me? The American people didn't know that we spy on China and Russia pnwmom Jul 2013 #162

A 29 year old low level civilian contractor can access all that info mbperrin Jul 2013 #163

He wasn't low level. He had high levels of access in his last position pnwmom Jul 2013 #164

He's a 29 year old employee working for a private firm for a short time. mbperrin Jul 2013 #170

I'd imagine a lot less outrage here if Romney had won the election. nt Incitatus Jul 2013 #61

Trust them....sure. ohheckyeah Jul 2013 #62

ding, ding, ding. . .the peon made the nobles looks like shit. Nobles want blood Nanjing to Seoul Jul 2013 #66

Ya think? Th1onein Jul 2013 #67

This is an excellent OP. Uncle Joe Jul 2013 #73

From an objective non-ideological PoV, who is Snowden actually helping? struggle4progress Jul 2013 #74

This message was self-deleted by its author blue cat Jul 2013 #76

Many HATE him because he is a TRAITOR! Lady Freedom Returns Jul 2013 #77

You are assuming he has given secrets to foreign powers muriel_volestrangler Jul 2013 #100

Bush & Cheney = much bigger fish ...peep ...pin drops L0oniX Jul 2013 #119

K&R DeSwiss Jul 2013 #79

He doesn't seem to care about consequences. And with the responsibility he had, that should be SleeplessinSoCal Jul 2013 #83

What specific things has he said that you regard as treasonous? (nt) muriel_volestrangler Jul 2013 #101

"Our" establishment, not "the". Democracyinkind Jul 2013 #88

+ 100 - Well Said cantbeserious Jul 2013 #98

Ha who knew felix_numinous Jul 2013 #107

I am getting the odd sense that you hit the nail on the head. Autumn Jul 2013 #108

I don't like Snowden because he is a far right wing hypocrite. phleshdef Jul 2013 #109

So you're ok with NSA spying on us, but are only mad because the public exposure of it makes Obama rusty fender Jul 2013 #112

Wow, the illiteracy is strong with this one ^ phleshdef Jul 2013 #113

Illiteracy? Really? rusty fender Jul 2013 #114

Oh my, grahamar air ers!!!! phleshdef Jul 2013 #115

TPTB have now become the overly jealous, domineering, controlling lover. Jamastiene Jul 2013 #111

Yes, because they are "our" leaders. alarimer Jul 2013 #122

Gettin' there, are ya? Iggo Jul 2013 #129

Maybe because Snowden violated laws in a nation of laws Progressive dog Jul 2013 #134

Funny Thing Those Laws - Seems They Don't Apply To The 1% - But Do For The 99% cantbeserious Jul 2013 #144

Perfect reply! fascisthunter Jul 2013 #150

You are off topic and wrong, the USA has special prisons for the wealthy Progressive dog Jul 2013 #168

Thanks For The Scolding - I Needed That - We Will Have To Agree To Disagree cantbeserious Jul 2013 #169

That's not the reason I don't like Snowden. classof56 Jul 2013 #142

Obama was better . . . another_liberal Jul 2013 #145

Easy Rex Jul 2013 #151

I'm getting the not-so-odd sense Summer Hathaway Jul 2013 #153

Could be Summer.. who knows what produces these "odd feelings" Cha Jul 2013 #159

I think Snowden is the one who makes himself look bad. So you Cha Jul 2013 #158

Then that tells me that you don't understand the issue at all jazzimov Jul 2013 #178