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8. It's really not legal. I've read the PATRIOT ACT

Sat Jul 6, 2013, 03:33 PM

Jul 2013

and there is nothing there that allows for spying on everyone, all the time. They're saying it's legal, but they are lying.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/28/opinion/the-criminal-nsa.html?pagewanted=all&_r=1&

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I Don�t Give a Damn if Jesus, MLK and Gandhi are Cloned and Made President, [View all] 20score Jul 2013 OP

Damn straight. NuclearDem Jul 2013 #1

Well said. 20score Jul 2013 #50

Got that right! suede1 Jul 2013 #2

Oh noes!!!! That would make you an atheist racist something!!!!!!!!!!! djean111 Jul 2013 #3

They still wont get it. Denial is everything to them. nm rhett o rick Jul 2013 #4

So who is "they" and "them?" mountain grammy Jul 2013 #109

Those that attack whistle-blowers and deny that there is anything wrong. rhett o rick Jul 2013 #113

And I agree, sounds reasonable to me. mountain grammy Jul 2013 #119

Sound reasonable to me. rhett o rick Jul 2013 #120

Those who refuse to stand up for the Constitutional rights of the people. sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #118

But the problem is, teabaggers think THEY are standing up for the mountain grammy Jul 2013 #121

Perfectly said, thanks nm MannyGoldstein Jul 2013 #5

Well said MuseRider Jul 2013 #6

Trouble is as it stands this is all legal madokie Jul 2013 #7

It's really not legal. I've read the PATRIOT ACT 20score Jul 2013 #8

You are lying madokie Jul 2013 #12

I wanted to edit my reply so you knew it wasn't personal, just relaying info. 20score Jul 2013 #16

Bye madokie Jul 2013 #17

K BehindTheCurtain76 Jul 2013 #65

Even if it was 100% legal tblue Jul 2013 #87

I guess the government should keep track of what we buy, too? Chef Eric Jul 2013 #38

If it's high-explosives, clearly the answer is yes... ConservativeDemocrat Jul 2013 #44

And what about books? And what about video streaming? Chef Eric Jul 2013 #47

That would be a collosal waste of money ConservativeDemocrat Jul 2013 #55

I don't care if retailers keep track of my book and movie purchases. Chef Eric Jul 2013 #61

Watch who you're dealing with. tblue Jul 2013 #88

You're probably right. Thanks. nt Chef Eric Jul 2013 #92

I am confident that the NSA collects every database then can including retail store records. GoneFishin Jul 2013 #96

Absolutely... ConservativeDemocrat Jul 2013 #110

I even am concerned about what business does with this information... cascadiance Jul 2013 #93

Well said..................... JimboBillyBubbaBob Jul 2013 #97

There is absolutely no difference between firearm and other purchases ConservativeDemocrat Jul 2013 #112

Show me. sulphurdunn Jul 2013 #39

Supposedly there is basically a "secret" Patriot Act that they follow: think Jul 2013 #52

Not only that, but the rogue Just. Dept. is calling for a full cover up Dragonfli Jul 2013 #53

Your statement is nonsensical. The phone company has the information provided to TheKentuckian Jul 2013 #56

AND on its own authority the phone co can't arrest you bread_and_roses Jul 2013 #94

We have the admission that encrypted traffic is stored for analysis. TheMadMonk Jul 2013 #75

Even if it was legal, I don't happen to think it is, but even if it was, A Simple Game Jul 2013 #11

He can't stop or start anything and if you'd been paying attention these last five years you'd see madokie Jul 2013 #14

Oh I have been paying attention, and what I see is that he doesn't want to stop it. A Simple Game Jul 2013 #21

thats easy madokie Jul 2013 #23

I didn't think you would answer any of my questions. A Simple Game Jul 2013 #24

Yes and that's why we elected Barack Obama to make all of that right or at least totodeinhere Jul 2013 #70

That's right. sulphurdunn Jul 2013 #46

Can you elaborate on the President's power when it comes to directing NSA programs? BenzoDia Jul 2013 #51

If he can't stop it why can't he at least go to the American people and say that it is wrong and totodeinhere Jul 2013 #69

One of your buds disagreed with you-said it will remain illegal. Divernan Jul 2013 #29

awesome! fascisthunter Jul 2013 #67

Bookmarked for later retrieval DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2013 #99

Every dictator and tyrant down through history... 99Forever Jul 2013 #40

WTF do you think we did in 08, and again 2012 usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #43

That's what they *claim*, while they block actual legal review. /nt Marr Jul 2013 #76

Knowing about it is the problem.... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #85

Read the 4th Amendment again. mbperrin Jul 2013 #104

oh, excuse me. RILib Jul 2013 #111

He certainly can do something about it. Ms. Toad Jul 2013 #114

How do you know that it's legal when we dont know the full story. rhett o rick Jul 2013 #115

My understanding is that Jesus already has a massive spying program, called ANGELS The Straight Story Jul 2013 #9

HA! That's funny! 20score Jul 2013 #10

He's even subcontracted this bulk data collection bobduca Jul 2013 #103

K&R forestpath Jul 2013 #13

I know you won't like this, buy why? treestar Jul 2013 #15

We've been discussing this for decades, even before I was born. 20score Jul 2013 #18

Have you seen the warrant? The Verizon warrant? Th1onein Jul 2013 #31

Shuuush!!! JoePhilly Jul 2013 #34

Are you trying to call us racist, again? usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #45

Look I'm not happy about it either. AnnieK401 Jul 2013 #19

If you're A-okay with massive spending on war, while states go broke, truedelphi Jul 2013 #30

Not OK with any of that. But not sure what banks, Monsanto, the gun lobby, AnnieK401 Jul 2013 #33

"...not sure what banks, Monsanto, the gun lobby, sulphurdunn Jul 2013 #49

What's the connection that you see. AnnieK401 Jul 2013 #54

It's quite simple really. sulphurdunn Jul 2013 #57

Thank you. truedelphi Jul 2013 #58

I see, so when does the revolution begin? AnnieK401 Jul 2013 #59

It never ended, sulphurdunn Jul 2013 #60

I actually think that's brilliant. AnnieK401 Jul 2013 #62

Tribal society is democratic society. sulphurdunn Jul 2013 #64

This message was self-deleted by its author 20score Jul 2013 #74

The problem is that the apparatus will span more than just this administration sibelian Jul 2013 #101

So you support Charles Manson then. Okay. cherokeeprogressive Jul 2013 #20

Huge K&R! Poll_Blind Jul 2013 #22

Well, for one none of them would make it as President. Lobo27 Jul 2013 #25

The birthers would have a field day with Jesus. Buzz Clik Jul 2013 #27

Cut that out!!!! I just took a sip of coffee!!!! Now it's all over the place!!!! Squinch Jul 2013 #37

Manson would have a chance jberryhill Jul 2013 #84

Jeebus does not approve of cloning. Buzz Clik Jul 2013 #26

true . But I suspect Charles Manson would have an easier time obtaining asylum than Edward Snowden Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #28

Charlie's treated better than Bradley Manning. tblue Jul 2013 #90

That does it. You're on the list. blkmusclmachine Jul 2013 #32

objectivity, my friend! Duppers Jul 2013 #35

Duppers, you rock! 20score Jul 2013 #41

Would that be truebluegreen Jul 2013 #105

If Jesus were President, the government wouldn't need to spy, given HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #36

well said. nashville_brook Jul 2013 #42

LOL Savannahmann Jul 2013 #48

Crystal Clear! Affirmative. Agony Jul 2013 #63

You never loved the Jesus MLK Gandhi clone. dawg Jul 2013 #66

Well, if you put it that way, I kinda suck. Sorry. 20score Jul 2013 #73

Well, if your objections are constitutional, two of the three are not qualified to be President or MADem Jul 2013 #68

Well Said - Thank You cantbeserious Jul 2013 #71

This. DeSwiss Jul 2013 #72

Thank. You. Apophis Jul 2013 #77

Yes, exactly. the Obama true believers don't seem to get this....... bowens43 Jul 2013 #78

the only way they can respond is, "they aren't?!" MisterP Jul 2013 #79

K&R. JDPriestly Jul 2013 #80

Very well-put, thanks (n/t) a2liberal Jul 2013 #81

And, of course, ProSense Jul 2013 #82

K & f-n R ~nt 99th_Monkey Jul 2013 #83

well if Santa became President hfojvt Jul 2013 #86

True. The NSA should hire him. tblue Jul 2013 #89

.... DeSwiss Jul 2013 #91

Heh heh. nt ancianita Jul 2013 #95

Ray Stevens was on to this a long time ago! mbperrin Jul 2013 #107

You'd trust Charlie Manson to be truthful over Progressive dog Jul 2013 #98

hehehe. SammyWinstonJack Jul 2013 #100

Yes, thank you. mbperrin Jul 2013 #102

Hear, hear! truebluegreen Jul 2013 #106

And even the three of them together would not be able to dismantle our surveillance culture. n/t Orsino Jul 2013 #108

K&R ReRe Jul 2013 #116

I couldn't agree more! sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #117