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21. Oh I have been paying attention, and what I see is that he doesn't want to stop it.

Sat Jul 6, 2013, 04:09 PM

Jul 2013

How is he handicapped from having the most transparent Presidency? Why didn't President Obama tell Snowden that he would give him amnesty and to bring all of his information in and we would have a national discussion about it and see how the people feel? Do the people want freedom or security? Is there a way we can have both? This would have been a good excuse to discuss the alternatives. But the truth is this program was never started to track terrorists, it was started to track the citizens of the US. Why did the system continue to be escalated and not scaled back when the cold war ended?

Apparently you don't agree with me that it is the administration that is sending the requests to the FISA court, so who is? And again, but I don't expect an answer again, do you believe all of the domestic spying is constitutional?

Yes I know how long the program has been in place, do you know why it is legal now when it wasn't legal under Bush and probably every other President? Did you think it was right when Bush was doing it?

Yes I have been paying attention and you are right about one thing, more people do need to start paying attention!

Drip, drip, drip, drown.

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I Don�t Give a Damn if Jesus, MLK and Gandhi are Cloned and Made President, [View all] 20score Jul 2013 OP

Damn straight. NuclearDem Jul 2013 #1

Well said. 20score Jul 2013 #50

Got that right! suede1 Jul 2013 #2

Oh noes!!!! That would make you an atheist racist something!!!!!!!!!!! djean111 Jul 2013 #3

They still wont get it. Denial is everything to them. nm rhett o rick Jul 2013 #4

So who is "they" and "them?" mountain grammy Jul 2013 #109

Those that attack whistle-blowers and deny that there is anything wrong. rhett o rick Jul 2013 #113

And I agree, sounds reasonable to me. mountain grammy Jul 2013 #119

Sound reasonable to me. rhett o rick Jul 2013 #120

Those who refuse to stand up for the Constitutional rights of the people. sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #118

But the problem is, teabaggers think THEY are standing up for the mountain grammy Jul 2013 #121

Perfectly said, thanks nm MannyGoldstein Jul 2013 #5

Well said MuseRider Jul 2013 #6

Trouble is as it stands this is all legal madokie Jul 2013 #7

It's really not legal. I've read the PATRIOT ACT 20score Jul 2013 #8

You are lying madokie Jul 2013 #12

I wanted to edit my reply so you knew it wasn't personal, just relaying info. 20score Jul 2013 #16

Bye madokie Jul 2013 #17

K BehindTheCurtain76 Jul 2013 #65

Even if it was 100% legal tblue Jul 2013 #87

I guess the government should keep track of what we buy, too? Chef Eric Jul 2013 #38

If it's high-explosives, clearly the answer is yes... ConservativeDemocrat Jul 2013 #44

And what about books? And what about video streaming? Chef Eric Jul 2013 #47

That would be a collosal waste of money ConservativeDemocrat Jul 2013 #55

I don't care if retailers keep track of my book and movie purchases. Chef Eric Jul 2013 #61

Watch who you're dealing with. tblue Jul 2013 #88

You're probably right. Thanks. nt Chef Eric Jul 2013 #92

I am confident that the NSA collects every database then can including retail store records. GoneFishin Jul 2013 #96

Absolutely... ConservativeDemocrat Jul 2013 #110

I even am concerned about what business does with this information... cascadiance Jul 2013 #93

Well said..................... JimboBillyBubbaBob Jul 2013 #97

There is absolutely no difference between firearm and other purchases ConservativeDemocrat Jul 2013 #112

Show me. sulphurdunn Jul 2013 #39

Supposedly there is basically a "secret" Patriot Act that they follow: think Jul 2013 #52

Not only that, but the rogue Just. Dept. is calling for a full cover up Dragonfli Jul 2013 #53

Your statement is nonsensical. The phone company has the information provided to TheKentuckian Jul 2013 #56

AND on its own authority the phone co can't arrest you bread_and_roses Jul 2013 #94

We have the admission that encrypted traffic is stored for analysis. TheMadMonk Jul 2013 #75

Even if it was legal, I don't happen to think it is, but even if it was, A Simple Game Jul 2013 #11

He can't stop or start anything and if you'd been paying attention these last five years you'd see madokie Jul 2013 #14

Oh I have been paying attention, and what I see is that he doesn't want to stop it. A Simple Game Jul 2013 #21

thats easy madokie Jul 2013 #23

I didn't think you would answer any of my questions. A Simple Game Jul 2013 #24

Yes and that's why we elected Barack Obama to make all of that right or at least totodeinhere Jul 2013 #70

That's right. sulphurdunn Jul 2013 #46

Can you elaborate on the President's power when it comes to directing NSA programs? BenzoDia Jul 2013 #51

If he can't stop it why can't he at least go to the American people and say that it is wrong and totodeinhere Jul 2013 #69

One of your buds disagreed with you-said it will remain illegal. Divernan Jul 2013 #29

awesome! fascisthunter Jul 2013 #67

Bookmarked for later retrieval DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2013 #99

Every dictator and tyrant down through history... 99Forever Jul 2013 #40

WTF do you think we did in 08, and again 2012 usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #43

That's what they *claim*, while they block actual legal review. /nt Marr Jul 2013 #76

Knowing about it is the problem.... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #85

Read the 4th Amendment again. mbperrin Jul 2013 #104

oh, excuse me. RILib Jul 2013 #111

He certainly can do something about it. Ms. Toad Jul 2013 #114

How do you know that it's legal when we dont know the full story. rhett o rick Jul 2013 #115

My understanding is that Jesus already has a massive spying program, called ANGELS The Straight Story Jul 2013 #9

HA! That's funny! 20score Jul 2013 #10

He's even subcontracted this bulk data collection bobduca Jul 2013 #103

K&R forestpath Jul 2013 #13

I know you won't like this, buy why? treestar Jul 2013 #15

We've been discussing this for decades, even before I was born. 20score Jul 2013 #18

Have you seen the warrant? The Verizon warrant? Th1onein Jul 2013 #31

Shuuush!!! JoePhilly Jul 2013 #34

Are you trying to call us racist, again? usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #45

Look I'm not happy about it either. AnnieK401 Jul 2013 #19

If you're A-okay with massive spending on war, while states go broke, truedelphi Jul 2013 #30

Not OK with any of that. But not sure what banks, Monsanto, the gun lobby, AnnieK401 Jul 2013 #33

"...not sure what banks, Monsanto, the gun lobby, sulphurdunn Jul 2013 #49

What's the connection that you see. AnnieK401 Jul 2013 #54

It's quite simple really. sulphurdunn Jul 2013 #57

Thank you. truedelphi Jul 2013 #58

I see, so when does the revolution begin? AnnieK401 Jul 2013 #59

It never ended, sulphurdunn Jul 2013 #60

I actually think that's brilliant. AnnieK401 Jul 2013 #62

Tribal society is democratic society. sulphurdunn Jul 2013 #64

This message was self-deleted by its author 20score Jul 2013 #74

The problem is that the apparatus will span more than just this administration sibelian Jul 2013 #101

So you support Charles Manson then. Okay. cherokeeprogressive Jul 2013 #20

Huge K&R! Poll_Blind Jul 2013 #22

Well, for one none of them would make it as President. Lobo27 Jul 2013 #25

The birthers would have a field day with Jesus. Buzz Clik Jul 2013 #27

Cut that out!!!! I just took a sip of coffee!!!! Now it's all over the place!!!! Squinch Jul 2013 #37

Manson would have a chance jberryhill Jul 2013 #84

Jeebus does not approve of cloning. Buzz Clik Jul 2013 #26

true . But I suspect Charles Manson would have an easier time obtaining asylum than Edward Snowden Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #28

Charlie's treated better than Bradley Manning. tblue Jul 2013 #90

That does it. You're on the list. blkmusclmachine Jul 2013 #32

objectivity, my friend! Duppers Jul 2013 #35

Duppers, you rock! 20score Jul 2013 #41

Would that be truebluegreen Jul 2013 #105

If Jesus were President, the government wouldn't need to spy, given HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #36

well said. nashville_brook Jul 2013 #42

LOL Savannahmann Jul 2013 #48

Crystal Clear! Affirmative. Agony Jul 2013 #63

You never loved the Jesus MLK Gandhi clone. dawg Jul 2013 #66

Well, if you put it that way, I kinda suck. Sorry. 20score Jul 2013 #73

Well, if your objections are constitutional, two of the three are not qualified to be President or MADem Jul 2013 #68

Well Said - Thank You cantbeserious Jul 2013 #71

This. DeSwiss Jul 2013 #72

Thank. You. Apophis Jul 2013 #77

Yes, exactly. the Obama true believers don't seem to get this....... bowens43 Jul 2013 #78

the only way they can respond is, "they aren't?!" MisterP Jul 2013 #79

K&R. JDPriestly Jul 2013 #80

Very well-put, thanks (n/t) a2liberal Jul 2013 #81

And, of course, ProSense Jul 2013 #82

K & f-n R ~nt 99th_Monkey Jul 2013 #83

well if Santa became President hfojvt Jul 2013 #86

True. The NSA should hire him. tblue Jul 2013 #89

.... DeSwiss Jul 2013 #91

Heh heh. nt ancianita Jul 2013 #95

Ray Stevens was on to this a long time ago! mbperrin Jul 2013 #107

You'd trust Charlie Manson to be truthful over Progressive dog Jul 2013 #98

hehehe. SammyWinstonJack Jul 2013 #100

Yes, thank you. mbperrin Jul 2013 #102

Hear, hear! truebluegreen Jul 2013 #106

And even the three of them together would not be able to dismantle our surveillance culture. n/t Orsino Jul 2013 #108

K&R ReRe Jul 2013 #116

I couldn't agree more! sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #117