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Benton D Struckcheon

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146. Hmm. Just read through all this, and am hoping it doesn't become a stampede.

Sat Jul 6, 2013, 07:00 PM

Jul 2013

The problem with the Internet is the same as in politics in real life: the extremists can always point at the saner folks and accuse them of not being truly, well, whatever. Over on the right that results in the Tea Party; over here it's the Chavez and now the Snowden cult, populated by mostly the same people. It's the left wing version of waving the flag and demanding loyalty, hence the lack of facts and the use of ridiculous hyperbole and appeals to emotion and authority, all of which are meant to get around having to argue the actual facts. Eventually the extremists take over. It happens over and over again on forums I've been to. Other forums I go to aren't related to politics, so the extremism of the politics winds up being confined mostly to the politics section of those forums, where over time that section will wind up dominated by one or the other side of the debate, and then after that drift towards ever more extreme versions of that.
This is a politics forum, so here the extremists are everywhere. It's a tough dynamic to get control of once it gets going, and liberals are always at a disadvantage no matter which version of extremism is being advanced since by its nature liberalism is based on advancing facts rather than ideology, and advancing justice in the face of ideology when necessary.
One excellent example from the Latin America group: I have taken careful note that, for instance, using Human Rights Watch as a source is just jim-dandy if you're talking about Guatemala, but makes you a neocon dupe if you're talking about Venezuela. Ideology, for an extremist, trumps facts, always.

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Time for me to say goodbye to DU. Wish you all well It isn't for me anymore /nt [View all] still_one Jul 2013 OP

You'll be back. ForgoTheConsequence Jul 2013 #1

LOL Kurovski Jul 2013 #66

Wish you would not go, still_one. Th1onein Jul 2013 #2

He or she explained the other day. They think DU has become an Obama hate site stevenleser Jul 2013 #3

Obama hate and doom, doom, doom BeyondGeography Jul 2013 #5

I don't care about being disagreed with, it's the lack of fact based discussion on the topic that is stevenleser Jul 2013 #9

I forget how many times I've been called an authoritarian BeyondGeography Jul 2013 #25

+100 zappaman Jul 2013 #31

Do you think that people on the othe side of the argument truedelphi Jul 2013 #33

No, on this issue, the differences between the sides and how they operate are stark. stevenleser Jul 2013 #93

I get it G_j Jul 2013 #116

Glad you finally are starting to see the light. nt stevenleser Jul 2013 #123

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Me too! n/t truedelphi Jul 2013 #169

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Yes, your side is so genteel and rational Union Scribe Jul 2013 #343

Yes we are. Glad you recognize it! nt stevenleser Jul 2013 #345

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steven i read one of your fact based posts which explained in detail the processed, Thinkingabout Jul 2013 #37

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You equate what Snowden did with LGBT equality? stevenleser Jul 2013 #69

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That isn't any better. You equate that with equality for LGBT? stevenleser Jul 2013 #73

I was trying to make a point that you whining about the DU not getting along happens all the damn... Logical Jul 2013 #77

LOL, the folks whining about the NSA accuse other people of whining!!!! stevenleser Jul 2013 #82

Let me make this simpler for you....... Logical Jul 2013 #94

Oh please, do you honestly think I am bothered by the numbers around me who disagree? stevenleser Jul 2013 #98

Well, I do not have a video of myself on national TV to post so I guess..... Logical Jul 2013 #105

Did you not accuse me of not liking being outnumbered? Was I not outnumbered 3-1 there? stevenleser Jul 2013 #109

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There has been zero discussion on treestar Jul 2013 #140

I agree. But without Snowden, no one would even be saying we need a discussion. n-t Logical Jul 2013 #144

Leslie Cauley brought this to our attention in her USA Today article in 2006 stevenleser Jul 2013 #151

I suggest that the issue was effectively buried under the BushCo. shitstorm TheKentuckian Jul 2013 #364

good find, the DU archives may show the outrage treestar Jul 2013 #385

Bunk. The info has been out there for over a decade. riqster Jul 2013 #198

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one can disagree with the potential scope of NSA spying and still think snowden is a douche. dionysus Jul 2013 #292

Snowden made it about Snowden when he moved on from talking about US surveillance pnwmom Jul 2013 #296

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For the millionth time, it was self-described "moderates" who failed to turn out in 2010. Marr Jul 2013 #384

Good point. Agschmid Jul 2013 #240

well that's logical thinking (no pun intended), but others here are not so logical. nt dionysus Jul 2013 #291

How do you feel about being governed using classified interpretations of laws? MNBrewer Jul 2013 #200

Most governments in history have done that and are still doing that. There is some information, bluestate10 Jul 2013 #204

Classified "interpretations of laws" MNBrewer Jul 2013 #212

I don't believe that is what is happening. I think the article I read that claimed that abused stevenleser Jul 2013 #205

Which article is that? MNBrewer Jul 2013 #214

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it has. And there is an open invitation for more to come. Whisp Jul 2013 #6

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We are being exploited. nt patrice Jul 2013 #402

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The IRS and Benghazi scandals are scandals that ensnare republicans. bluestate10 Jul 2013 #213

That's a big problem here. Everything is always about Obama. Zorra Jul 2013 #108

Liberalism and Progressivism are ideologies that need to be grounded in fact and reason stevenleser Jul 2013 #125

Maybe if the government put forth a clear, sincere, comprehensive, and acceptable explanation Zorra Jul 2013 #159

I've explained it and posted the transcript. stevenleser Jul 2013 #167

Sorry, bro, your explanation is unsourced; it does not project, or go deep enough Zorra Jul 2013 #194

It's sourced with multiple Appeals court rulings on the subject and the history. And... stevenleser Jul 2013 #203

You're wasting your time. The poster's mind is made up. No fact will change that. nt bluestate10 Jul 2013 #215

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I have no idea what point you are making here. I pointed out the facts in my article stevenleser Jul 2013 #246

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Senators Wyden and Udall beg to differ MNBrewer Jul 2013 #324

And they are contradicted by appellate decisions going back to before they were born. stevenleser Jul 2013 #329

You have no idea whether they're contradicted by any of those citations MNBrewer Jul 2013 #330

Yes, I do, because I read them. nt stevenleser Jul 2013 #346

You read the classified interpretations MNBrewer Jul 2013 #357

so when was it that you read the classified interpretations, Steven? MNBrewer Jul 2013 #399

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Me neither, just habit at this point. Deep13 Jul 2013 #4

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We should not use either of those terms. Th1onein Jul 2013 #10

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Intolerance disguised as idealism nt flamingdem Jul 2013 #280

That sounds like intolerance, itself, on your part. Th1onein Jul 2013 #282

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Nope. Historically..... Th1onein Jul 2013 #341

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Safe travels nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #12

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Please have a rethink malaise Jul 2013 #15

Take care, and know you're always welcomed here. nt ZombieHorde Jul 2013 #16

I wish you wouldn't, but I understand. Part of DU has become hostile to factual and rational stevenleser Jul 2013 #17

As far as this Snowden thing goes, you are one of the saner voices here. zappaman Jul 2013 #36

Thank you! I posted the other day, those of us on my side are ready to have a reasonable discussion stevenleser Jul 2013 #128

Don't go still_one... ucrdem Jul 2013 #19

Attention-seeking thread. Apophis Jul 2013 #21

I could make the same argument for CakeGrrl Jul 2013 #22

The plonk thing is inane flamingdem Jul 2013 #26

What is this plonk thing I keep seeing? Agschmid Jul 2013 #241

A DUer, think it's Backscatter puts people on ignore by responding with "PLONK" flamingdem Jul 2013 #242

When I ignore I do it in silence. Agschmid Jul 2013 #244

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^^^ THIS ^^^ usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #60

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Zombies don't get banned anymore, you know... SidDithers Jul 2013 #72

Wonder if its a Zombie or long time lurker from that website stevenleser Jul 2013 #74

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Certain opinions are banned here. If you don't like that, take it up with Skinner and EarlG stevenleser Jul 2013 #84

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Nope, I'll keep pointing out how ridiculous and unsupported they are. The difference is, now I know stevenleser Jul 2013 #88

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Whoopsie. zappaman Jul 2013 #227

Yeah, Cha Jul 2013 #309

You like to throw the T word around treestar Jul 2013 #145

What, you got some kinda pseudo ban on the 'T word'? usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #147

Your use of it is ridiculous treestar Jul 2013 #218

George Zimmerman wants �inflammatory terms� banned from trial usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #155

No he doesn't. Rex Jul 2013 #162

Yep, I think there is a swarm around me usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #165

LOL, how's that working out for you? stevenleser Jul 2013 #235

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zzzZzzz usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #100

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They always seem to billh58 Jul 2013 #121

And, making friends pintobean Jul 2013 #122

Heh. zappaman Jul 2013 #132

Hey! Bobbie Jo Jul 2013 #141

It goes back to the old saying pintobean Jul 2013 #211

I'm so impressed Hekate Jul 2013 #180

wasn't meant to usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #183

You're demonstrating something, alright. Bobbie Jo Jul 2013 #226

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LOL! Buzz Clik Jul 2013 #152

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+1 Corruption Inc Jul 2013 #263

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good catch treestar Jul 2013 #220

Holy crap. Bobbie Jo Jul 2013 #228

Bingo! sheshe2 Jul 2013 #332

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Precisely Sherman A1 Jul 2013 #45

Sometimes it's drama, sometimes a courtesy. pintobean Jul 2013 #133

Courtesy, Sherman A1 Jul 2013 #178

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Your opinion, Sherman A1 Jul 2013 #371

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midnight... Buzz Clik Jul 2013 #57

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They serve that at the Olive Garden in Manhattan. madinmaryland Jul 2013 #168

You we're always one of the good ones. Never forget that. n/t leeroysphitz Jul 2013 #58

Sad, but I understand Dragonfli Jul 2013 #64

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I don't know, I only suggested that there are sites that like the neo-liberal policies Dragonfli Jul 2013 #85

How do you know what "many would prefer .. "? JoePhilly Jul 2013 #89

Stop putting words in my mouth, by the posters own posts I merely suggested there were more Dragonfli Jul 2013 #107

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Neoliberalism refers to economic policies. That has nothing to do with this. stevenleser Jul 2013 #90

Surveillance has become big business or are you unaware that Snowden worked for a private firm ? Dragonfli Jul 2013 #99

I note that poster just accused you of putting words in their mouth. I'm guessing you dont actually stevenleser Jul 2013 #111

where? Dragonfli Jul 2013 #114

You probably don't know what the Chicago School is Kolesar Jul 2013 #386

Milton Friedman school of economics, I know all about his influence on those that felate the 1% Dragonfli Jul 2013 #388

You flubbed the definition of neoliberal Kolesar Jul 2013 #395

No Dragonfli Jul 2013 #396

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thanks RavensChick. . . ucrdem Jul 2013 #149

You're welcome! RavensChick Jul 2013 #202

Leave or don't. 99Forever Jul 2013 #83

...and what might that be? Bobbie Jo Jul 2013 #102

The OP has been here for almost a decade Summer Hathaway Jul 2013 #113

Whatever you say. 99Forever Jul 2013 #139

Graduates of the Greenwald School of Civility? CakeGrrl Jul 2013 #261

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I wish more people would get a sheshe2 Jul 2013 #337

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Please read my previous post. RavensChick Jul 2013 #110

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Wait, you just got here. This is your very first post. ucrdem Jul 2013 #118

You joined Du today to knock it? hrmjustin Jul 2013 #119

ave atque vale ucrdem Jul 2013 #124

Well at last that one departed our presence. hrmjustin Jul 2013 #126

Fast, too. ucrdem Jul 2013 #127

I have a feeling that one will be back. hrmjustin Jul 2013 #129

See #130. That didnt take long! stevenleser Jul 2013 #138

I guess that didn't take long. Must have been a cave member. hrmjustin Jul 2013 #143

Thank goodness! RavensChick Jul 2013 #207

I really miss grave dancing. L0oniX Jul 2013 #219

Some wait until they get a few more posts. In fact, lots of posts... freshwest Jul 2013 #312

Join Free Republic HockeyMom Jul 2013 #120

That seems pointless. Summer Hathaway Jul 2013 #137

We even have at least one resident "former" freeper Art_from_Ark Jul 2013 #327

Uncalled For And Untrue otohara Jul 2013 #260

that's just gratuitiously nasty. Cha Jul 2013 #321

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2013 #130

anyone who finds a discussion forum unpleasant and not to their liking can (and probably should) quinnox Jul 2013 #131

Best wishes on any decision. But hopefully you'll stay. There is no other site like DU think Jul 2013 #135

I would encourage you to stay instead and put the hair on fire crew on ignore for now. stevenleser Jul 2013 #142

I'm so close to keyword hiding Snowden... Agschmid Jul 2013 #257

Hmm. Just read through all this, and am hoping it doesn't become a stampede. Benton D Struckcheon Jul 2013 #146

Goodbye still_one pintobean Jul 2013 #148

What's the reason? brush Jul 2013 #157

Extreme poutrage that other people have an opinion. Rex Jul 2013 #160

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The worst of all time was when they started calling DUers racist that didn't agree with them usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #163

Yep, hopefully they will leave and go find another site to call them racists. Rex Jul 2013 #166

I'm with you usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #171

What person with common sense would trust anyone else 100% of the time? Rex Jul 2013 #182

Quite the crowd you're running with now. Number23 Jul 2013 #191

You haven't left yet? Rex Jul 2013 #192

What a bizarre response. But considering that in one thread you are the main one cheering the Pres Number23 Jul 2013 #195

Yawn, once again you have nothing to say. Rex Jul 2013 #196

Coming from you, that is the highest compliments. See you at the next thread Number23 Jul 2013 #197

Why don't you clowns just reopen the Old Elm Tree? That's where you belong. MjolnirTime Jul 2013 #358

Hmmmm Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #186

Well I guess you can alert on those posters instead of creating a GBCW Rex Jul 2013 #187

Looks like they did! ROFLMAO! See you in the next thread! stevenleser Jul 2013 #237

I wish you would reconsider Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #175

I get it. MineralMan Jul 2013 #181

Don't let the door hit you in the ass my friend. If you give up because other people contest bluestate10 Jul 2013 #184

I'm not familiar with still_one, but maybe he or she is leaving... SMC22307 Jul 2013 #264

True. nt Honeycombe8 Jul 2013 #274

So damn many pointlessly nasty replies. Says SO much about what DU has become. Hekate Jul 2013 #185

Hekate, you've been here long enough to know this is how a farewell thread goes. Kurovski Jul 2013 #273

Just take a break. The DU morphs into something over time. So do we. applegrove Jul 2013 #199

You leave, the increasingly obvious divide and conquer gamers chalk one up. n/t zeeland Jul 2013 #209

I agree. nt bluestate10 Jul 2013 #216

Yep, as I said, best thing to do is place that crew on ignore and hide terms like NSA, Surveillance stevenleser Jul 2013 #234

Ignore check... just wondering... Agschmid Jul 2013 #266

You are not on ignore. nt stevenleser Jul 2013 #305

Phew! Agschmid Jul 2013 #342

I agree flamingdem Jul 2013 #267

get over it fascisthunter Jul 2013 #221

It's been a long time LWolf Jul 2013 #223

Tombstone me Skinner right ##@@%% now!!!! senseandsensibility Jul 2013 #254

That was a priceless OP to be sure Art_from_Ark Jul 2013 #328

** This by Hekate says it all flamingdem Jul 2013 #225

We have moles siligut Jul 2013 #275

I've been on so much lately I see the pattern better flamingdem Jul 2013 #279

"COINTELPRO Techniques for dilution, misdirection and control of a internet forum" siligut Jul 2013 #283

great! what the doctor ordered flamingdem Jul 2013 #284

There it is. Bookmarking because of this post. freshwest Jul 2013 #313

Technique #2 in action Bobbie Jo Jul 2013 #349

Indeed! zappaman Jul 2013 #387

Whenever I consider leaving ... Trajan Jul 2013 #230

That's understandable. sagat Jul 2013 #245

What you actually did with this is show that the DU community has started to recognize that stevenleser Jul 2013 #247

Yes. blue neen Jul 2013 #259

There's already been a failed experiment Bobbie Jo Jul 2013 #269

I feel like I'm visiting Pompeii over there! flamingdem Jul 2013 #270

Right? Bobbie Jo Jul 2013 #271

The survivors had to migrate somewhere.. flamingdem Jul 2013 #272

I would encourage you to take a week or two off and then come back. dawg Jul 2013 #249

. struggle4progress Jul 2013 #268

I'm discussing with OP (in regular email not DU mail) and trying to convince them not to go. stevenleser Jul 2013 #281

With all due respect, Steven ... Summer Hathaway Jul 2013 #290

It's more of a temporary amputation that is then put in deep freeze with the hopes that one day stevenleser Jul 2013 #303

I admire your optimism for this site Summer Hathaway Jul 2013 #307

thinking the same........ spanone Jul 2013 #308

Nooooooooo! I think DU needs your Cha Jul 2013 #310

Sorry to hear that. LeftishBrit Jul 2013 #318

Completely understandable since this site has been overrun with hate and vitriol. liberal N proud Jul 2013 #331

Its really weird how so many have turned on the President and on Democrats on this Democratic site.. DCBob Jul 2013 #335

DU has been invaded IMO liberal N proud Jul 2013 #344

"Seems almost like trying to talk to republicans." Bobbie Jo Jul 2013 #350

I think its a combination of invaders with ulterior motives and... DCBob Jul 2013 #362

Inability to deal with complexities and compromise is a right wing trait liberal N proud Jul 2013 #378

Totally agreed, the jury system sucks and we need unrec to balance out the organized recs. tridim Jul 2013 #363

Understand your predicament BumRushDaShow Jul 2013 #334

This message was self-deleted by its author alcibiades_mystery Jul 2013 #340

+1 flamingdem Jul 2013 #373

This really is where we separate the grown ups from the children, still... MrMickeysMom Jul 2013 #339

Adios. City Lights Jul 2013 #351

Bringing "unrec" back now would be a very good idea, management. tridim Jul 2013 #360

Haven't been around for awhile - what did I miss? polichick Jul 2013 #361

Well shit. great white snark Jul 2013 #372

Take a break. Union Scribe Jul 2013 #392

You will be missed. AtomicKitten Jul 2013 #393