A big "FU" to the United States by other countries?

[freshwest]

79. So GG said this...

The top secret documents published today detail the circumstances in which data collected on US persons under the foreign intelligence authority must be destroyed, extensive steps analysts must take to try to check targets are outside the US, and reveals how US call records are used to help remove US citizens and residents from data collection.

Those facts should put out the flames, but I doubt it. Some media now infer the NSA is a creation of the Patriot Act, when it is decades older. When facts are not allowed to be said, there's nothing more to be said, period.

I'm sorry about personal attacks on DUers like you. I never attack another DUer, but I do go after media and political figures. I miss DU2 which was a great place for facts, discussions, rooting out bigotry, advancing real solutions. It was a place for being supportive, not name calling or cursing other DUers daily as I see here.

The only solution that is acceptable for some will be Rand in 2016. Before that, this affair will be touted to give the GOP control in 2014. Guaranteeing more destruction of the rights of women, emigrants, elderly, minorities and the poor. We are now told that social issues don't matter, that only this one thing does.

The hero we are told is our spiritual better has said old people need to get off their asses in the hospital and get to work. This is right out of Ayn Rand. Reporting that is not a personal attack on a DUer, in fact it's not even personal about the hero. It's an ideology that needs to be discussed, but it will not be allowed to happen.

The media gives the spin the Koch dollars fund, but not the facts. It's exactly why no other solutions will be offered online, nor will any reasoned discussion.

Although I do not feel as strongly about ES as some, it is because I have never worked in the fields that would know the details of national security, etc. And I've never much believed in the concept, except that a good reputation, built on what we accept being done to each other here, is the only respect that matters.

It is from the best ideals the world will seek to emulate the USA, not ending the safety net or the rights of those harmed by the GOP, which is not important to some at DU. I am grateful to those to whom it still matters, despite calls by some to drop these things and be concerned about this one subject only.



Many of us do appreciate the time you have taken in order to give us information we would find otherwise. You have been a gold mine of information for years.

It is fun to be in the same decade with you. ~ Franklin D. Roosevelt