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I have gone through the Snowden slides about as well as anyone could... [View all] jmowreader Jul 2013 OP

Wow. Very thorough. randome Jul 2013 #1

And what is the conclusion you came to after reading all of this and then comparing it sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #35

Yes. And other people with experience in and knowledge of security agencies Maedhros Jul 2013 #37

I know which people I care to listen to. truedelphi Jul 2013 #72

The NSA merely awaits the inauguration of President Santorum and Vice President Cruz on January 20, HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #75

How do you get past the fact that the OP has no comprehension of numbers or arithmatic? reusrename Jul 2013 #79

I believe they are collecting internals. NYC_SKP Jul 2013 #2

Caution??...you mean less efforts to stop a terrorist attack? Vietnameravet Jul 2013 #6

Privacy > Security NYC_SKP Jul 2013 #12

+1000 Cleita Jul 2013 #24

+2 truebluegreen Jul 2013 #36

And can you explain how this would stop a terrorist attack? It didn't stop the Boston sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #39

I don't believe for a minute that it was ever about terrorists. NYC_SKP Jul 2013 #56

I love how you are so quick to invoke Boston bombings davidpdx Jul 2013 #82

Of course they didn't, unless they were stupid. That is the point, isn't it? They are spying sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #83

My point is that was one case davidpdx Jul 2013 #84

Yes, they have both been great on this. Wyden has long tried to warn the people sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #85

Invoking the "terrorists" ought to be a corrolary of Godwin's Law at this point n/t Scootaloo Jul 2013 #57

Okay, how are they getting ALL the internals? jmowreader Jul 2013 #16

When this old story first broke in 2006, I was an SBC customer. SBC bought AT&T.... NYC_SKP Jul 2013 #18

The Question of *How* Doesn't Appear to be Relevant On the Road Jul 2013 #76

I agree-- my feelings exactly NoMoreWarNow Jul 2013 #61

I agree. klook Jul 2013 #69

Don't need to do no cipherin.' reusrename Jul 2013 #80

Well then, since it does not violate the consititution, they can share all that data with us The Straight Story Jul 2013 #3

Would you apply that to IRS data? jberryhill Jul 2013 #58

If the nsa has access to it, sure. Hmm are they using IRS data as well and is that legal? The Straight Story Jul 2013 #64

This is what I would like to see. Honestly. reusrename Jul 2013 #81

Some dont want to hear this Vietnameravet Jul 2013 #4

Hear what? They are tracking the phone data of American citizens. What about this sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #43

This is what is happening... Harmony Blue Jul 2013 #5

Excellent Video usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #13

You are welcome! Harmony Blue Jul 2013 #14

No harm, no foul? Then why are they pursuing him for divulging "secrets"? Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2013 #7

he stole documents. he gave information to foreign countries. he admits it. KittyWampus Jul 2013 #11

But, according to the OP it was harmless. Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2013 #15

When you steal something you are committing a crime. It's really that simple. KittyWampus Jul 2013 #21

When you lie a country into war, it is a major crime. But we don't prosecute criminals sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #50

that is changing the subject. The subject was one person who stole documents from the NSA. KittyWampus Jul 2013 #60

The subject is crime. Stealing is a crime, it has degrees, like murder, murder has degrees. sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #66

Silly rabbit. Proecution is only for matters committed by mere truedelphi Jul 2013 #86

The NSA hides the key to the washroom. They hide EVERYTHING. jmowreader Jul 2013 #22

I went so far as to lay out how FISA giftedgirl77 Jul 2013 #8

the FISA court loaded with conservative judges as appointed by justice roberts? frylock Jul 2013 #19

What I said is the program is a lot giftedgirl77 Jul 2013 #23

so what's this agenda that you speak of? frylock Jul 2013 #25

Everyone has an agenda in case you haven't giftedgirl77 Jul 2013 #31

yeh see i'm not buying into that bullshit.. frylock Jul 2013 #63

I'm not trying to sell you anything giftedgirl77 Jul 2013 #68

So you would rather take the other people with an agenda at their word? truebluegreen Jul 2013 #32

Like I said previously & linked to giftedgirl77 Jul 2013 #38

I get that. How many requests were turned down? truebluegreen Jul 2013 #45

Just for the point blank FISA requests giftedgirl77 Jul 2013 #71

Spoken like a prosecutor. truebluegreen Jul 2013 #87

The FISA court that is refusing all FOIA requests truebluegreen Jul 2013 #29

Bump,Kick and Rec..many folks on DU just seem to want to buy into the Hyperbole.. HipChick Jul 2013 #9

Great post. Scurrilous Jul 2013 #10

Thank you for using logic and facts. jazzimov Jul 2013 #17

Thoughtful post. K&R BenzoDia Jul 2013 #20

The Young Turks And The New York Times Would Disagree cantbeserious Jul 2013 #26

+100 RC Jul 2013 #67

Great post, great info flamingdem Jul 2013 #27

Its all been a weird, wet fantasy railsback Jul 2013 #28

I don't think when people say it is illegal they actually mean illegal. I think they mean A Simple Game Jul 2013 #30

I quite agree "legal" v. constitutional 99th_Monkey Jul 2013 #77

You are missing the forest for the trees. dawg Jul 2013 #33

Actually, ProSense Jul 2013 #40

Bullshit! dawg Jul 2013 #44

Yelling "bullshit" doesn't change what you just said. n/t ProSense Jul 2013 #51

Do you like the Patriot Act, ProSense? dawg Jul 2013 #52

No it's only because this is happening under Obama that makes it OK. Bush could never get away with totodeinhere Jul 2013 #53

The Young Turks Spell Out How Even The Patriot Act Author Sees PRISM As Illegal - Among Others cantbeserious Jul 2013 #47

You do understand that we aren't trying to build an impeachment case. dawg Jul 2013 #48

+100000000 forestpath Jul 2013 #41

If the NSA surveillance program does not harvest information illegally Maedhros Jul 2013 #34

Thanks for an informed and logical post. macspanicattack Jul 2013 #42

K & R, great post, some heavy information, don't know if it will halt the paranoia but I agree with Thinkingabout Jul 2013 #46

actually Valerie Plame and Joe Wilson have written on this subject Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #49

Thank you. Such statements might very well fall into that Orwellian truedelphi Jul 2013 #74

Excellent post. sagat Jul 2013 #54

all I know is this data collection is not about terrorism-- that's a bogus excuse NoMoreWarNow Jul 2013 #55

also-- it is incredibly naive to think that the NSA isn't abusing this data collection system NoMoreWarNow Jul 2013 #59

R#30 & K for, I don't understand the technical stuff, so my reactions are focused on UTUSN Jul 2013 #62

careful--this is how the "ballerina-evader" meme got started MisterP Jul 2013 #65

Your informed post will fall on deaf ears alcibiades_mystery Jul 2013 #70

To this post COLGATE4 Jul 2013 #73

I Really Appreciate the Background, jmowreader, On the Road Jul 2013 #78

Thanks for posting that. nt MineralMan Jul 2013 #88