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99Forever

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130. Home owners associations ARE liable...

Sun Jul 7, 2013, 09:02 AM

Jul 2013

... for the persons in their organization and their actions. It is their RESPONSIBILITY to make sure they don't have armed murdering scumbags stalking perfectly legal and decent citizens, going about their daily lives, in the HOA's name. Period.

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Should the Zimmerman case make Neighborhood Associations [View all] avebury Jul 2013 OP

It amazes me that Zimmerman was on neighborhood watch, but he didn't know his neighbors! hedgehog Jul 2013 #1

...or even the street names n/t Cal Carpenter Jul 2013 #2

It amazes me that Zimmerman was on neighborhood watch Flashmann Jul 2013 #9

why do people keep bringing up rand Paul? backwoodsbob Jul 2013 #110

why do people keep bringing up rand Paul? Flashmann Jul 2013 #113

How often do rogue neighborhood watch people shoot unarmed people walking though penultimate Jul 2013 #3

On ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. avebury Jul 2013 #4

That's exactly the type to worry about: a busybody with "gun courage" and a need to be obeyed arcane1 Jul 2013 #28

Sick. Mojo Electro Jul 2013 #55

People like that should not be given any such power... penultimate Jul 2013 #57

If carrying a gun RGR375 Jul 2013 #76

For me, this has less to do with him carrying a gun and more to do with his actions... penultimate Jul 2013 #81

I don't think he was on watch RGR375 Jul 2013 #90

Property owners can ban guns on their property. Thor_MN Jul 2013 #129

That's an excellent point. FarPoint Jul 2013 #8

And one other important point brush Jul 2013 #19

Even if he did identify himself as such, isn't 'watch' the operative word in neighborhood watch? penultimate Jul 2013 #63

Agreed! Agreed! Agreed! brush Jul 2013 #69

Yeah, I figured I'm just preaching the choir here... penultimate Jul 2013 #78

he just wanted to hunt fugitives so badly Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #103

I have not seen or heard any evidence that Zimmerman ever avebury Jul 2013 #26

Additionally, did Z identify himself as a Neighborhood Watch FarPoint Jul 2013 #120

Transcript and audio is here Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #123

Thanks.... FarPoint Jul 2013 #124

IIRC from testimony Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #125

I heard that too... FarPoint Jul 2013 #126

He sure didn't Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #128

Yup. I would want HappyMe Jul 2013 #14

People carrying guns scare me katmondoo Jul 2013 #5

I'm like you targetpractice Jul 2013 #13

In some states Duckwraps Jul 2013 #20

Just curious and an honest question Duckwraps Jul 2013 #16

Mistakenly perhaps ... GeorgeGist Jul 2013 #34

That assumption may be wrong. Heck of a lot of wrongful deaths by police anymore. Duckwraps Jul 2013 #47

Do you have statistics on wrongful death at the hands of LEO vs. citizens? n/t Just Saying Jul 2013 #79

No I don't think they are available, Duckwraps Jul 2013 #88

We don't even have the stats and you're already splitting hairs. Just Saying Jul 2013 #107

I'll answer that for you... RevStPatrick Jul 2013 #48

+1 n/t handmade34 Jul 2013 #52

I'm sorry but that is no answer at all. Duckwraps Jul 2013 #60

Name-calling is against community standards. Just Saying Jul 2013 #68

Huh? Duckwraps Jul 2013 #91

I live in Ohio Just Saying Jul 2013 #106

Thanks, it is just the opposite here. Figured Duckwraps Jul 2013 #111

The only people who I've ever seen openly carry Just Saying Jul 2013 #112

I'm not so sure you Duckwraps Jul 2013 #127

I live in Florida and very few stores have no gun signs on their doors. ... spin Jul 2013 #117

Let me explain. ... spin Jul 2013 #114

Do you live in an area that you fear for your life in a grocery store parking lots? Thor_MN Jul 2013 #131

I lived in the same house for 37 years in Tampa. Over that time frame my neighborhood ... spin Jul 2013 #133

Yes, I am calling... RevStPatrick Jul 2013 #75

Thank you for a direct no BS Duckwraps Jul 2013 #89

And all that is, premium Jul 2013 #94

What you said. old guy Jul 2013 #62

I don't think that's always the case.... penultimate Jul 2013 #72

I find your suggestion that anyone who would carry in a supermarket should be sent ... spin Jul 2013 #109

Did you have fun with that? RevStPatrick Jul 2013 #116

Yes actually I did have fun with that post. ... spin Jul 2013 #118

Honest question in reply. What fear drives people to carry? Thor_MN Jul 2013 #132

People illegally carrying guns scare me. ... spin Jul 2013 #119

Zimmerman should teach us that allowing any yahoo to tote a gun in public is moronic. Hoyt Jul 2013 #6

The obvious solution is we need more gun nuts to keep us safe from the gun nuts Major Nikon Jul 2013 #11

Zimm wasn't even an owner! Just a renter ecstatic Jul 2013 #7

Didn't know that brush Jul 2013 #21

so what if he was a renter? TorchTheWitch Jul 2013 #23

His actions just killed the property values of everyone else in the neighborhood. Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #33

He can't walk away until the lease is up TorchTheWitch Jul 2013 #73

I don't disagree Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #98

I apologize if it came across that way ecstatic Jul 2013 #38

his liability is greater as a renter TorchTheWitch Jul 2013 #85

I wasn't disparaging renters ecstatic Jul 2013 #95

All gun nuts are potential Zimmermans. Address that problem first. nt onehandle Jul 2013 #10

Agree. It's the people, not the guns. NYC_SKP Jul 2013 #15

EGGactly!!! Excellent point nt Duckwraps Jul 2013 #17

But keeping guns out of the hands of the nuts Just Saying Jul 2013 #80

Yes, and we have dropped the ball on that one. NYC_SKP Jul 2013 #87

Agree 100% n/t Just Saying Jul 2013 #108

From what I've gathered Cirque du So-What Jul 2013 #12

Not so fast Major Nikon Jul 2013 #22

In that case Cirque du So-What Jul 2013 #41

Word on the street is they have already paid a million Major Nikon Jul 2013 #45

Homeowners need to attend their annual meetings, DURHAM D Jul 2013 #18

Isn't there a way to look into HappyMe Jul 2013 #24

Absolutely! And not just for issues like Zimmerman. avebury Jul 2013 #27

I would also wonder about how much HappyMe Jul 2013 #29

I was watching one of the OKC City Counsel meetings one day. avebury Jul 2013 #37

That's awful. HappyMe Jul 2013 #40

Totally. avebury Jul 2013 #43

That was not an HOA. DURHAM D Jul 2013 #56

Perfect example, NM_Birder Jul 2013 #115

Yes. Before making an offer - DURHAM D Jul 2013 #32

Good to know. HappyMe Jul 2013 #35

And if you buy, attend the annual meetings every year. avebury Jul 2013 #42

Good information! Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #122

So you're saying that had Zimmy executed such a document, the HOA would have no liability flvegan Jul 2013 #25

I think what you need is to know exactly what avebury Jul 2013 #30

I agree. Especially here in Florida. flvegan Jul 2013 #39

I think the HOA should be held liable. HappyMe Jul 2013 #31

I agree that if flvegan Jul 2013 #44

If he identified himself as their 'watch', HappyMe Jul 2013 #49

The Board repeatedly identified Zimmerman as their watch guy. DURHAM D Jul 2013 #58

Well, they may be screwed. HappyMe Jul 2013 #59

I think that's pipi_k Jul 2013 #36

There's no need for the watch people HappyMe Jul 2013 #46

Agree. If they want armed security they should pay for it. NYC_SKP Jul 2013 #50

How do they watch? pipi_k Jul 2013 #65

They're not supposed pipi_k Jul 2013 #61

If it's dark, and somebody is following me, HappyMe Jul 2013 #64

Well, that was my point... pipi_k Jul 2013 #66

The "watch" people don't need that. HappyMe Jul 2013 #70

I think THIS is where mental health is most relevant loyalsister Jul 2013 #51

It's only a "watch". HappyMe Jul 2013 #54

I'm talking about very basic questions... loyalsister Jul 2013 #74

Yeesh. HappyMe Jul 2013 #77

I don't think you understand how those inventories work loyalsister Jul 2013 #92

It sounds like too much crap to go through HappyMe Jul 2013 #93

Do you think this is the first time someone inclined to kill loyalsister Jul 2013 #105

reinterpret the 2nd and end the travesty of individuals not law enforcement having guns nt. graham4anything Jul 2013 #53

Good luck with that idea. (n/t) spin Jul 2013 #121

I live across the street from a neighborhood park. gordianot Jul 2013 #67

you had a six year old intruder? Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #104

I think he was the only member Nevernose Jul 2013 #71

Was Kohl's in his development too? HockeyMom Jul 2013 #82

Oh yes. HappyMe Jul 2013 #86

I would say that the HOA should be a co defendent gopiscrap Jul 2013 #83

The HOA has already settled with the family avebury Jul 2013 #97

thank you gopiscrap Jul 2013 #99

Wow. That is surprising Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #100

Maybe that thought it would cost them more if avebury Jul 2013 #101

It isn't up to the defendents to set the timing of the suit though. Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #102

All boils down to the fact the HomeOwners wanted something for nothing Tippy Jul 2013 #84

Make sure the desired anti-gun policies are clearly written in the CCRs. Trillo Jul 2013 #96

Home owners associations ARE liable... 99Forever Jul 2013 #130