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106. To be fair, though, Democrats can generally consider several points at once without

Sun Jul 7, 2013, 10:00 AM

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cognitive burnout; we can protest NSA overreach without simultaneously wanting 'smaller government.' The fact that most of the un- and under-educated citizens can't parse even the simplest arguments and discussion points is hardly the Democrats' fault.

It IS our fault that we haven't built up our own propaganda arm with a full complement of noisy think tanks, Fox-news-type TV and radio, advocacy newspapers, etc., in the last 30 years. That's how we're getting killed. The Pubs have taken over the daily atmosphere in which everyone lives -- that's why so many people repeat RW talking points without ever really knowing where those talking points come from.

If Democrats get whipped in 2014, it will be because simplemindedness prevails, not because Democrats want the NSA jerked up by its shorts.

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Irony of ironies: The Ron Paul Libertarian's one way out is the "land of Chavez and Bolivar" [View all] Godhumor Jul 2013 OP

Not "one" way... truebluegreen Jul 2013 #1

So you think the Libertarian would prefer to end up in Nicaragua? pnwmom Jul 2013 #105

Cheap, readily available narcotics... Scurrilous Jul 2013 #2

It really chaps your ass, doesn't it? 99Forever Jul 2013 #3

"Royal emperor?" This place has become Infowars. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #8

When he joins the People and fights for US... 99Forever Jul 2013 #10

DU has turned into equivalent of GOP site Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #12

The childish simplicity of hating Obama geek tragedy Jul 2013 #16

So Obama has pissed off everyone on the entire political spectrum, including his base. DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2013 #27

Moderates tend to do that. They're never extreme enough on any point Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #35

Keep up the snark. Check back with me after mid-terms DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2013 #36

Ok. I will. Too bad Obama lost in 2012 due to bad economy Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #39

Well, I was told that those wouldn't be a problem due to mindless Obama-voting persons CakeGrrl Jul 2013 #70

No, I said the fringe weirdos on both sides hate him. nt geek tragedy Jul 2013 #38

Someone mentioned a term 80-20. I am starting to think indeed that is true. nt. graham4anything Jul 2013 #101

from the expert of childish simplicity! bravo sir! galileoreloaded Jul 2013 #31

True. But not in the way you mean. Bonobo Jul 2013 #25

Unfortunately, not gonna happen. 99Forever Jul 2013 #44

I have no problem with people demanding answers from their government Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #54

+1000 CakeGrrl Jul 2013 #56

Now, don't forget the other half... Scootaloo Jul 2013 #57

false equivalence. despite all the "freedom fighters" on here Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #59

You don't even seem to understand my premise Scootaloo Jul 2013 #69

"Wholly owned tool of the 1%." geek tragedy Jul 2013 #13

I can always tell when I strike a nerve... 99Forever Jul 2013 #18

That dismissive tone you get is because geek tragedy Jul 2013 #19

sloganeering does seem to have replaced discussion, even spirited argument arely staircase Jul 2013 #42

Reducing intellectual views to "hate" and "love" rather than basing it on content and action... Kurovski Jul 2013 #46

People who proclaim Obama 100% evil and a servant geek tragedy Jul 2013 #67

"100% evil", "villian"...those are your words. Kurovski Jul 2013 #75

"Wholly owned tool of the 1%" is a verbatim quote. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #76

That's not true at all. Marr Jul 2013 #95

Only if you aren't paying attention. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #96

I'm going to assume you're being intentionally obtuse. /nt Marr Jul 2013 #97

No, obtuse is pretending that Obama takes the side of the 1% against the rest of humanity geek tragedy Jul 2013 #98

What's childish is rephrasing everything in this binary, good/evil way like you keep doing. Marr Jul 2013 #99

Blah blah blah Obama serves the 1% blah blah blah. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #100

LOL, you mean the one where all he had to do was *nothing* in order to win? Marr Jul 2013 #102

You're familiar with what a large increase in taxes on geek tragedy Jul 2013 #107

Yes, that was the fig leaf of an excuse I just referred to. Marr Jul 2013 #109

"DU has been infiltrated by bloodthirsty totalitarian fascists." arely staircase Jul 2013 #79

That's funny. Some people need to feel like geek tragedy Jul 2013 #80

I hope so. I thought about it but ironically I would need the NSAs giant data bases arely staircase Jul 2013 #82

Snork. nt geek tragedy Jul 2013 #83

like any of us give a good god damn what bets are "on" or "off" for you... dionysus Jul 2013 #40

Have you not seen the hagiographic posts about how BEAUTIFUL Michelle Obama is! MNBrewer Jul 2013 #55

That stuff has no appeal for me. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #62

WTF? It's hagiographic to comment on Michelle Obama's graceful beauty and fashion choices? KittyWampus Jul 2013 #65

They bitterly whine about nice things said geek tragedy Jul 2013 #68

No, not really Godhumor Jul 2013 #9

Uh huh, sure... 99Forever Jul 2013 #11

What do you think his life would be like in Venezuela? Godhumor Jul 2013 #14

I don't care... 99Forever Jul 2013 #20

So Snowden's life isn't important to you? What empathy for the man whose cause you support Godhumor Jul 2013 #21

Lame. 99Forever Jul 2013 #22

You've already admitted the person who is at the center of this isn't important to you Godhumor Jul 2013 #23

Give it up. 99Forever Jul 2013 #24

Well good luck fighting the fight, as Snowden represents only a means to an end n/t Godhumor Jul 2013 #30

he's a hero, a sweet bebe jesus... but simultaneously... not important. dionysus Jul 2013 #41

Dionysus! How nice to see you again! Ideals before people is always troubling Godhumor Jul 2013 #45

Bolivar was not progressive in a governing sense. a la izquierda Jul 2013 #4

The origin of 'socialist dictators' is a circle leading back to Western opposition. HumansAndResources Jul 2013 #49

I have a PhD in Latin American history. a la izquierda Jul 2013 #93

Have you ever heard of someone who supports civil liberties? Th1onein Jul 2013 #5

Snowden is an admitted Libertarian in the Ron Paul sense Godhumor Jul 2013 #7

You know, everything is NOT black and white. Th1onein Jul 2013 #84

Proof that Paulbots can be turned into socialists. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #6

Since it is a de facto dictatorship, I doubt that will be an issue. Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #15

Venezuela is a flawed democracy. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #17

Hurts, huh? The Link Jul 2013 #26

It truly doesn't. If he accepts asylum and if he makes it there, he becomes marginalized Godhumor Jul 2013 #33

Nicely said. Number23 Jul 2013 #34

Exactly. The irony is completely lost in rooting him on to Venezuela. CakeGrrl Jul 2013 #60

Yeah, which itself has a rather remarkable surveillance state. joshcryer Jul 2013 #28

For Ron Paul Libertarians, honesty, virtue & integrity are .... flexible. baldguy Jul 2013 #29

Snowden should be more like the NSA, The Carlyle Group, Blackwater...... think Jul 2013 #32

What makes you think he isn't? baldguy Jul 2013 #37

I guess he could support the crooks he just helped expose & embarrass think Jul 2013 #43

He supports Ron Paul - which means he DOES support the crooks. baldguy Jul 2013 #48

So now I'm suppose to call you a supporter of the Bush Cabal behind The Carlyle Group? think Jul 2013 #51

Don't worry about BaldMcCarthy DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2013 #63

Thanks. I should know better.... /nt think Jul 2013 #78

"How we're playing" is when you unequivcally support a liar & a hypocrite like Snowden baldguy Jul 2013 #71

Yawn.. think Jul 2013 #72

And you don't seem to care about those ugly destinations, either. baldguy Jul 2013 #87

I care about the NSA & private contractor violations of the law not ulgy destinations think Jul 2013 #88

Then why has Snowden not shown any concern about the privatization of our intelligence apparatus? baldguy Jul 2013 #90

Don't be silly. I support these 22 Dem Senators & their demands from the NSA: think Jul 2013 #91

Why not try to show some critical thinking skills - and not just some cut&paste? baldguy Jul 2013 #92

The privatization of our intel infrastructure is the real scandal here. SunSeeker Jul 2013 #103

No. Because Libertarians do believe in Civil Liberties ... HumansAndResources Jul 2013 #47

If you're a left-leaning, 4th Amendment loving, anti-corporate, anti-establishment libertarian baldguy Jul 2013 #50

The 4th Amendment ?? HumansAndResources Jul 2013 #94

Part and parcel of the Left's incoherence these days alcibiades_mystery Jul 2013 #52

Snowden hates Social Security, but he is 'Revered' here. CakeGrrl Jul 2013 #58

I want huge, 1950's style social program...I want alcibiades_mystery Jul 2013 #64

.... ForeignandDomestic Jul 2013 #66

I'll raise you an Al Franken. CakeGrrl Jul 2013 #73

You mean the Al Franken who is 1 of 22 Dem Senators signing a letter demanding think Jul 2013 #85

Nothing incoherent at all... ForeignandDomestic Jul 2013 #61

Yeah, they don't seem to realize that hysteria geek tragedy Jul 2013 #86

To be fair, though, Democrats can generally consider several points at once without Nay Jul 2013 #106

Yes, I know-- liberals are clamoring for more domestic spying. Marr Jul 2013 #104

It just shows that leftists and Libertarians CAN work together toward worthy goals MNBrewer Jul 2013 #53

And who do you think will get screwed in that exchange, huh? baldguy Jul 2013 #89

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Has to go someplace.. Iceland voted against his sneaky Cha Jul 2013 #77

I said this guy was not very bright from the beginning. Rex Jul 2013 #81

Not the mutual admiration club and circle jerk you were hoping for? Egalitarian Thug Jul 2013 #108

With what DU has been like lately, do you honestly think I expected a circle jerk with this thread? Godhumor Jul 2013 #110

k and r animato Jul 2013 #111