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grok

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8. the defence doesn't care if he is believable

Sun Jul 7, 2013, 10:04 AM

Jul 2013

The point of putting him up and all the family is to make sure the jury sees how fleeting
the testimony of the prosecution's witnesses as to who screamed is. Nothing else.

If the defense could have put up the family cat to say it was zimmerman screaming, they would have. And we all know how cats are such liars.

To let the jurors come to their own conclusions as to who is "coached", who has an agenda, who is biased by family connections, can actually be as powerful as stating it up front.

I don't find the defence witnesses any more believable about the scream than the prosecution's. Nor any less so. They are all equally biased.

The Jury was simply reminded of that. Reasonable doubt.

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Zimmerman's Uncle is an Obvious Liar, and Here's Why: [View all] TorchTheWitch Jul 2013 OP

That was insane testimony. jessie04 Jul 2013 #1

I caught that too- because he had no reason to imagine he would be part of the case- bettyellen Jul 2013 #2

I'm glad you mentioned Rachel. dmr Jul 2013 #23

here is the best link I could find - goes to GZ's bullying and lying and the bettyellen Jul 2013 #24

"This is the first time in my life that I'm not afraid of him ... he can't get to me." dmr Jul 2013 #31

I looked someplace ugly where they IDd her- and it appears to be his niece, not daughter... bettyellen Jul 2013 #32

he appears to have had friends gotten into big trouble for him- jail time up in VA... bettyellen Jul 2013 #39

I watched that testimony. Fake from beginning to end, IMO... truth2power Jul 2013 #3

Keep in mind that pipoman Jul 2013 #4

I admit that when I am on the computer avebury Jul 2013 #5

True- he swears he did not hear Zimmerman from the newsreader but heard the screams. bettyellen Jul 2013 #6

I think that the Prosecution ended up putting the uncle's avebury Jul 2013 #12

yes- on top of how incredible the story was.... you have to ask exactly what sort of bettyellen Jul 2013 #13

That's it in a nutshell! dmr Jul 2013 #56

That was downright silly. madaboutharry Jul 2013 #7

the defence doesn't care if he is believable grok Jul 2013 #8

Defense witnesses. Calista241 Jul 2013 #9

only with white people who assume all latinos and blacks are the same/ get along. bettyellen Jul 2013 #10

They also told Z the skinhead look wouldn't fly. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #17

Zimmerman: "F*cking Coons" Submariner Jul 2013 #18

The Prosecution would have used it if it was true grok Jul 2013 #35

Please tell me what part of the call did you hear that. Boudica the Lyoness Jul 2013 #46

Originally, it was right as he was getting out of the car Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #49

I hear the word cold Boudica the Lyoness Jul 2013 #50

No problem Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #53

I wish prosecution would have called attention to the fact Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #11

I think it was better that they left it alone TorchTheWitch Jul 2013 #15

It appears the whole family has problems with taking responsibility for their actions. gtar100 Jul 2013 #14

His testimony was pretty powerful I thought Stuckinthebush Jul 2013 #16

I don't think the prosecution can handle it grok Jul 2013 #19

sure the jury of five Moms would love to hear the defense claim the Martins are there for a payout. bettyellen Jul 2013 #25

You might be right grok Jul 2013 #27

No, West just really sucks TorchTheWitch Jul 2013 #40

just when I thought the stupid couldn't get any deeper CatWoman Jul 2013 #34

Oh cat woman, get with the program Heddi Jul 2013 #41

where did you see this speculation- Conservative Treehouse or Briebart's site? bettyellen Jul 2013 #44

He can't. EarlG took out the trash as part of his Sunday chores, apparently. Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2013 #47

Tks! I wish every jury here had 6 Earl G's on it. I know that sounds kind of facist.... bettyellen Jul 2013 #48

That moment did not undo zentrum Jul 2013 #21

You've got to be kidding TorchTheWitch Jul 2013 #29

Nice. Stuckinthebush Jul 2013 #57

How Much Did He Even Know George Zimmerman DallasNE Jul 2013 #20

I'm pretty sure he knew his daughter or niece accused GZ of molesting her.... bettyellen Jul 2013 #28

that's another thing that puts his testimony under scrutiny TorchTheWitch Jul 2013 #33

"When people go way overboard extolling their own virtues they're lying." Exactly. bettyellen Jul 2013 #37

what I don't understand about the scream part cynannmarie Jul 2013 #22

The single thing that tells me it was Martin TorchTheWitch Jul 2013 #42

Since that WAS Martin screaming George couldn't have feared for his life csziggy Jul 2013 #55

Well, I didn't watch it, but unless the defendant really is innocent... Deep13 Jul 2013 #26

I am very disapointed in the Attorneys for the State...They dropped the ball on this one Tippy Jul 2013 #30

I actually think they did the right thing in not going into it TorchTheWitch Jul 2013 #36

Possibly your right...it just makes me mad .....I he doesn' t pay now possible he will later Tippy Jul 2013 #38

Does the jury even get to know about that? TorchTheWitch Jul 2013 #43

What I found hard to take from this witness was his insistence that his military service Grammy23 Jul 2013 #45

What a HORRIBLE totally not credible witness. BS from end to end. dballance Jul 2013 #51

Holy cow, I didn't even make the connection that he worked TorchTheWitch Jul 2013 #52

the guy is so full of shit, i just hope the jury can see through it JI7 Jul 2013 #54