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superpatriotman

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7. What if...

Sun Jul 7, 2013, 01:51 PM

Jul 2013

Trayvon had disarmed and killed Zimmerman in self defense? Would there be charges?

Stand Your Ground allows self defense on both sides, and surely an armed individual who is trying to kill me could be disarmed and killed by his own weapon.

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Zimmerman Defense Attorney: �Trayvon Martin Did, In Fact, Cause His Own Death� [View all] kpete Jul 2013 OP

I wonder how this is playing with the jury. warrior1 Jul 2013 #1

The jury never heard it... Callmecrazy Jul 2013 #40

Yes, the jury certainly did hear it Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #41

The defense failed to explain how Martim managed to cause his own death. lumpy Jul 2013 #51

He shouldn't have run smack into Zippy's gun? Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #57

he has explained it many times, it just is bullshit. Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #119

He reminds me of the subtext of Al Pacino/Keanu Reeves' The Devil's Advocate... JackN415 Jul 2013 #2

You know, years ago... pipi_k Jul 2013 #6

you are too kind. Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #121

So... pipi_k Jul 2013 #3

It should be just the facts Politicalboi Jul 2013 #19

Alan Dershowitz said if there were only innocent clients.. KinMd Jul 2013 #32

From what I've seen pipi_k Jul 2013 #38

considering your sentence, allow me to toss in one of my favorite quotes :) Bodhi BloodWave Jul 2013 #97

I watched the entire OJ debacle..and it was a circus of a trial. lumpy Jul 2013 #55

Kardashian was the worst riverwalker Jul 2013 #83

Some attorneys are underhanded. That is no reason to put forth statements lumpy Jul 2013 #52

the entire defense is an insult to the jury's intelligence. Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #123

And he hasn't even really gotten started yet Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #4

Well I guess that ends the idea of going for a walk in our neighborhoods. To dangerous - we may be jwirr Jul 2013 #5

What if... superpatriotman Jul 2013 #7

I trust this was not in front of the jury, but in the motion to dismiss, magical thyme Jul 2013 #8

He actually asked Trayvon's mother that TorchTheWitch Jul 2013 #9

That clip was the motion to dismiss argument, THIS one is him badgering Sybrina Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #10

If Zimmerman's story is true he may very well have. RGR375 Jul 2013 #65

Define. Exactly how did this kid cause his own death. Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #68

If and i said if RGR375 Jul 2013 #76

No. IF all that had happened, Zimmerman would have been justified in punching Martin or pushing him. yardwork Jul 2013 #80

This is what I'm talking about RGR375 Jul 2013 #96

I don't think you understood my post. yardwork Jul 2013 #100

he couldn't fight back because he had only one hand. Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #126

Coward pussy (sorry) I understand RGR375 Jul 2013 #135

So "SYG" only goes for those with firearms? Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #99

Not if you're wearing a hoodie. It's a little known Florida law. yardwork Jul 2013 #103

Noted. Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #109

No RGR375 Jul 2013 #137

Nothing about Zimmerman's story is true. He's been caught in lie after lie. yardwork Jul 2013 #71

Sorry man RGR375 Jul 2013 #84

I'm a woman, and I noticed that you didn't respond to my post. yardwork Jul 2013 #86

No offense please accept my apology i did not see your post and i mean that. RGR375 Jul 2013 #92

No offense taken. It doesn't bother me to be mistaken for male, just wanted to clarify. yardwork Jul 2013 #95

We do disagree RGR375 Jul 2013 #114

The laws are too lax. Just Saying Jul 2013 #120

This judge seems to be comfortable that the prosecution has a case for 2nd degree murder. Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #127

Good grief!!!!! Punkingal Jul 2013 #79

"If Zimmerman's story is true" Scootaloo Jul 2013 #110

"defending himself against a stranger who approached him" hfojvt Jul 2013 #11

There's no evidence that Martin laid a hand on Zimmerman yardwork Jul 2013 #13

Apart from the bloody head and broken nose kudzu22 Jul 2013 #16

There was no DNA from Zimmerman on Martins hands or body and he had no open wounds Rex Jul 2013 #17

So what caused Z's injuries? kudzu22 Jul 2013 #18

Well witnesses say two different things, are you going to believe one and not the other? Rex Jul 2013 #20

What witness said anything different? kudzu22 Jul 2013 #21

Why do you assume GZ got his wounds from Martin? They could not have come Rex Jul 2013 #22

So he hit both the front and the back of his head from falling down? kudzu22 Jul 2013 #24

Ya I think if there is an acquittal, they family might try a 'wrongful death' lawsuit. Rex Jul 2013 #25

If Z is aquitted, FL law gives him immunity from civil suit. N/T GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #134

What video are you taking about? The video of the murder or what; videos of lumpy Jul 2013 #60

There was no video, but the cops told him there was kudzu22 Jul 2013 #108

would you have expected him to say "uh oh, I'm in trouble!" Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #129

An eye witness saw who had to be on top the last few minutes before the shot. lumpy Jul 2013 #42

There is a huge problem with her testimony. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #139

17 year old minding business with a hand full of snacks and a cell phone ends up dead after Ed Suspicious Jul 2013 #28

No argument that he was minding his own business kudzu22 Jul 2013 #30

Obviously Zimmerman was not incapacitated ( if Zimmerman's account is the truth). lumpy Jul 2013 #45

Rational thinking says that Zimmerman got his bloody nose when Zimmerman lumpy Jul 2013 #63

It's debatable who started the confrontation Ron Quixote Jul 2013 #43

I think the confrontation started Just Saying Jul 2013 #122

Only problem with the tub of lard statement, IIRC, is that his physician's assistant testified nenagh Jul 2013 #31

I'll wager I could outrun Zim given that head start kudzu22 Jul 2013 #33

It's pretty hard to believe looking at the man today... but I must say as a Canadian... nenagh Jul 2013 #34

I agree that was surprising. kudzu22 Jul 2013 #35

You sound skeptical. Nine Jul 2013 #37

No, no, no....not sceptical at all...actually filled with admiration for the detail nenagh Jul 2013 #39

Don't bet on it. He was in much better shape then anneboleyn Jul 2013 #53

Exactly -- we don't know kudzu22 Jul 2013 #115

It depends on what route each person took. Just Saying Jul 2013 #125

Zimmerman weighed over 100 pounds less then he does now at the avebury Jul 2013 #58

We don't know how Zimmerman's head and nose got scratched yardwork Jul 2013 #59

You do realize RGR375 Jul 2013 #69

Big man with a gun had to kill a child because he was scared of the black kid in the hoodie. yardwork Jul 2013 #70

Take some ex lax to your constipated RGR375 Jul 2013 #89

Why in is this so important to you that he get off? Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #111

It's not RGR375 Jul 2013 #128

+1,000,000 madaboutharry Jul 2013 #113

here Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #138

I think you're glossing over some poitns kudzu22 Jul 2013 #106

"...he has injuries consistent with such beating...." yardwork Jul 2013 #112

Laugh all you want kudzu22 Jul 2013 #117

Sorry, O'Mara isn't included as a "witness(es)". Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #118

Ok then if it didn't come from a beating, where did it come from? kudzu22 Jul 2013 #124

Walk with me through this scenario Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #136

Maybe he shouldn't have refused medical treatment Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #116

"There's no evidence that Martin laid a hand on Zimmerman" NaturalHigh Jul 2013 #23

Martin could have landed a punch on Zimmerman's nose when Martin was fighting lumpy Jul 2013 #48

I don't dispute anything that you said. NaturalHigh Jul 2013 #49

No proof of any broken nose. yardwork Jul 2013 #61

Bullshit, you don't know what he chose Warpy Jul 2013 #26

Amen. Hoyt Jul 2013 #29

I know he did NOT choose to run home hfojvt Jul 2013 #47

They were struggling while on the ground. It is most logical that Martin managed to lumpy Jul 2013 #50

Actually RGR375 Jul 2013 #54

In those few moments before the shot, were is the testimony just how Zimmerman lumpy Jul 2013 #75

What youclaimtobe a fact is speculation Vattel Jul 2013 #67

Speculation is used in many situations to try and get at the truth; that's when lumpy Jul 2013 #142

I'm with you RGR375 Jul 2013 #62

Martin was indeed walking home in the rain. What about that do you Zimmerman Cheerleaders Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #164

You don't know that Martin didn't run. yardwork Jul 2013 #64

He might have got turned around or confused? Vattel Jul 2013 #74

The prosecution convinced me that Zimmerman approached Martin and killed him. yardwork Jul 2013 #78

That is ridiculous. Vattel Jul 2013 #81

This message was self-deleted by its author yardwork Jul 2013 #87

Post removed Post removed Jul 2013 #88

I've heard that juries usually aren't too bright either, so maybe they'll see things the same way. yardwork Jul 2013 #90

yardwork: NYC_SKP Jul 2013 #94

I don't see anything that needs to be hidden. I certainly did not alert. yardwork Jul 2013 #101

Me either. NYC_SKP Jul 2013 #104

#5 is exactly correct. I self-deleted my more insulting post that prompted it. yardwork Jul 2013 #105

Confused? Yeah... that could also explain why he attempted to commit wire-fraud LanternWaste Jul 2013 #166

He really had no choice once Zimmerman started to stalk him. Raine1967 Jul 2013 #66

Better question - what is the motivation in seeing Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #72

Ruby, I wish I had an honest answer for that. Raine1967 Jul 2013 #82

I am terrified about this trial Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #107

you simply have lots of choices when somebody is stalking you hfojvt Jul 2013 #91

How was he pinned Just Saying Jul 2013 #132

OK..with all due respect DonCoquixote Jul 2013 #98

of course he had every right to be there hfojvt Jul 2013 #140

The point is, this entire event could've been avoided. How? Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #165

it could also have been avoided hfojvt Jul 2013 #167

He WAS walking home!! What the hell is wrong with you? Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #168

many things hfojvt Jul 2013 #171

A young black boy is dead and you're cracking jokes?! That is really sick!! Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #172

Really? Just Saying Jul 2013 #130

Why don't you think wounds prove anything? hfojvt Jul 2013 #146

Wounds are circumstantial Just Saying Jul 2013 #151

wounds are at least a little bit of evidence hfojvt Jul 2013 #169

Wounds are evidence that something happened but don't tell us what. Just Saying Jul 2013 #173

poor wording Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #131

It is questionable whether anyone should rely on Zimmerman,s lone telling of lumpy Jul 2013 #141

To be sucked in by Zimmerman's own account of his debacle is sad since it makes l lumpy Jul 2013 #144

What justification that Z have to follow Martin around in the first place? MrScorpio Jul 2013 #145

why should that matter? hfojvt Jul 2013 #149

Do you have children? Just Saying Jul 2013 #153

It matters because Martin had ever right to NOT be chased around at all, correct? MrScorpio Jul 2013 #154

again, I will relate a story or two or three hfojvt Jul 2013 #156

I've read your arguments... MrScorpio Jul 2013 #157

I would not let somebody get close enough to grab me hfojvt Jul 2013 #159

There are two ways that I would respond to this... MrScorpio Jul 2013 #162

mea culpa though, although I blame the Miami Herald hfojvt Jul 2013 #163

Did you get that info from Trayvon Martin's testimony? SaveAmerica Jul 2013 #155

actually we have a recording made before there was any shooting hfojvt Jul 2013 #161

I admire his mother Marrah_G Jul 2013 #12

I agree. yardwork Jul 2013 #14

I thought the same thing TorchTheWitch Jul 2013 #15

Haven't been watching but that's a terrible line BeyondGeography Jul 2013 #27

To quote the movie "Super Troopers": Initech Jul 2013 #36

How was Trayvon supposed to know that he wasn't being accosted by a child molester? Starry Messenger Jul 2013 #44

MTE. Martin might have worried a sexual assault was about to happen. anneboleyn Jul 2013 #56

Or a robbery Just Saying Jul 2013 #133

Post removed Post removed Jul 2013 #147

oh good lord uppityperson Jul 2013 #148

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2013 #150

+1 Raine1967 Jul 2013 #77

Exactly. Incitatus Jul 2013 #93

Yeah, he foolishly Zoeisright Jul 2013 #46

Zimmerman's defense: "I chased him until he made me do it." Baitball Blogger Jul 2013 #73

Defense lawyers are allowed to lie. Lil Missy Jul 2013 #85

this defense attorney is going for scumbag lawyer of the year award quinnox Jul 2013 #102

It's vile. Kurovski Jul 2013 #143

No, your trigger-happy client did. . . Stargleamer Jul 2013 #152

Fucking attorney is a god damn whore gopiscrap Jul 2013 #158

Yeah! How dare he walk around Black and wearing a hoodie! 6000eliot Jul 2013 #160

Yikes, if that's how he came across ... it's good for the prosecution. Myrina Jul 2013 #170

disgusting racial pandering noiretextatique Jul 2013 #174