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13. There's no evidence that Martin laid a hand on Zimmerman

Sun Jul 7, 2013, 03:08 PM

Jul 2013

As for the question, "Why didn't Martin just go home?" - everything indicates that he was trying to do that until a 200 pound man accosted him and shot him dead.

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Zimmerman Defense Attorney: �Trayvon Martin Did, In Fact, Cause His Own Death� [View all] kpete Jul 2013 OP

I wonder how this is playing with the jury. warrior1 Jul 2013 #1

The jury never heard it... Callmecrazy Jul 2013 #40

Yes, the jury certainly did hear it Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #41

The defense failed to explain how Martim managed to cause his own death. lumpy Jul 2013 #51

He shouldn't have run smack into Zippy's gun? Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #57

he has explained it many times, it just is bullshit. Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #119

He reminds me of the subtext of Al Pacino/Keanu Reeves' The Devil's Advocate... JackN415 Jul 2013 #2

You know, years ago... pipi_k Jul 2013 #6

you are too kind. Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #121

So... pipi_k Jul 2013 #3

It should be just the facts Politicalboi Jul 2013 #19

Alan Dershowitz said if there were only innocent clients.. KinMd Jul 2013 #32

From what I've seen pipi_k Jul 2013 #38

considering your sentence, allow me to toss in one of my favorite quotes :) Bodhi BloodWave Jul 2013 #97

I watched the entire OJ debacle..and it was a circus of a trial. lumpy Jul 2013 #55

Kardashian was the worst riverwalker Jul 2013 #83

Some attorneys are underhanded. That is no reason to put forth statements lumpy Jul 2013 #52

the entire defense is an insult to the jury's intelligence. Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #123

And he hasn't even really gotten started yet Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #4

Well I guess that ends the idea of going for a walk in our neighborhoods. To dangerous - we may be jwirr Jul 2013 #5

What if... superpatriotman Jul 2013 #7

I trust this was not in front of the jury, but in the motion to dismiss, magical thyme Jul 2013 #8

He actually asked Trayvon's mother that TorchTheWitch Jul 2013 #9

That clip was the motion to dismiss argument, THIS one is him badgering Sybrina Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #10

If Zimmerman's story is true he may very well have. RGR375 Jul 2013 #65

Define. Exactly how did this kid cause his own death. Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #68

If and i said if RGR375 Jul 2013 #76

No. IF all that had happened, Zimmerman would have been justified in punching Martin or pushing him. yardwork Jul 2013 #80

This is what I'm talking about RGR375 Jul 2013 #96

I don't think you understood my post. yardwork Jul 2013 #100

he couldn't fight back because he had only one hand. Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #126

Coward pussy (sorry) I understand RGR375 Jul 2013 #135

So "SYG" only goes for those with firearms? Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #99

Not if you're wearing a hoodie. It's a little known Florida law. yardwork Jul 2013 #103

Noted. Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #109

No RGR375 Jul 2013 #137

Nothing about Zimmerman's story is true. He's been caught in lie after lie. yardwork Jul 2013 #71

Sorry man RGR375 Jul 2013 #84

I'm a woman, and I noticed that you didn't respond to my post. yardwork Jul 2013 #86

No offense please accept my apology i did not see your post and i mean that. RGR375 Jul 2013 #92

No offense taken. It doesn't bother me to be mistaken for male, just wanted to clarify. yardwork Jul 2013 #95

We do disagree RGR375 Jul 2013 #114

The laws are too lax. Just Saying Jul 2013 #120

This judge seems to be comfortable that the prosecution has a case for 2nd degree murder. Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #127

Good grief!!!!! Punkingal Jul 2013 #79

"If Zimmerman's story is true" Scootaloo Jul 2013 #110

"defending himself against a stranger who approached him" hfojvt Jul 2013 #11

There's no evidence that Martin laid a hand on Zimmerman yardwork Jul 2013 #13

Apart from the bloody head and broken nose kudzu22 Jul 2013 #16

There was no DNA from Zimmerman on Martins hands or body and he had no open wounds Rex Jul 2013 #17

So what caused Z's injuries? kudzu22 Jul 2013 #18

Well witnesses say two different things, are you going to believe one and not the other? Rex Jul 2013 #20

What witness said anything different? kudzu22 Jul 2013 #21

Why do you assume GZ got his wounds from Martin? They could not have come Rex Jul 2013 #22

So he hit both the front and the back of his head from falling down? kudzu22 Jul 2013 #24

Ya I think if there is an acquittal, they family might try a 'wrongful death' lawsuit. Rex Jul 2013 #25

If Z is aquitted, FL law gives him immunity from civil suit. N/T GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #134

What video are you taking about? The video of the murder or what; videos of lumpy Jul 2013 #60

There was no video, but the cops told him there was kudzu22 Jul 2013 #108

would you have expected him to say "uh oh, I'm in trouble!" Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #129

An eye witness saw who had to be on top the last few minutes before the shot. lumpy Jul 2013 #42

There is a huge problem with her testimony. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #139

17 year old minding business with a hand full of snacks and a cell phone ends up dead after Ed Suspicious Jul 2013 #28

No argument that he was minding his own business kudzu22 Jul 2013 #30

Obviously Zimmerman was not incapacitated ( if Zimmerman's account is the truth). lumpy Jul 2013 #45

Rational thinking says that Zimmerman got his bloody nose when Zimmerman lumpy Jul 2013 #63

It's debatable who started the confrontation Ron Quixote Jul 2013 #43

I think the confrontation started Just Saying Jul 2013 #122

Only problem with the tub of lard statement, IIRC, is that his physician's assistant testified nenagh Jul 2013 #31

I'll wager I could outrun Zim given that head start kudzu22 Jul 2013 #33

It's pretty hard to believe looking at the man today... but I must say as a Canadian... nenagh Jul 2013 #34

I agree that was surprising. kudzu22 Jul 2013 #35

You sound skeptical. Nine Jul 2013 #37

No, no, no....not sceptical at all...actually filled with admiration for the detail nenagh Jul 2013 #39

Don't bet on it. He was in much better shape then anneboleyn Jul 2013 #53

Exactly -- we don't know kudzu22 Jul 2013 #115

It depends on what route each person took. Just Saying Jul 2013 #125

Zimmerman weighed over 100 pounds less then he does now at the avebury Jul 2013 #58

We don't know how Zimmerman's head and nose got scratched yardwork Jul 2013 #59

You do realize RGR375 Jul 2013 #69

Big man with a gun had to kill a child because he was scared of the black kid in the hoodie. yardwork Jul 2013 #70

Take some ex lax to your constipated RGR375 Jul 2013 #89

Why in is this so important to you that he get off? Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #111

It's not RGR375 Jul 2013 #128

+1,000,000 madaboutharry Jul 2013 #113

here Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #138

I think you're glossing over some poitns kudzu22 Jul 2013 #106

"...he has injuries consistent with such beating...." yardwork Jul 2013 #112

Laugh all you want kudzu22 Jul 2013 #117

Sorry, O'Mara isn't included as a "witness(es)". Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #118

Ok then if it didn't come from a beating, where did it come from? kudzu22 Jul 2013 #124

Walk with me through this scenario Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #136

Maybe he shouldn't have refused medical treatment Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #116

"There's no evidence that Martin laid a hand on Zimmerman" NaturalHigh Jul 2013 #23

Martin could have landed a punch on Zimmerman's nose when Martin was fighting lumpy Jul 2013 #48

I don't dispute anything that you said. NaturalHigh Jul 2013 #49

No proof of any broken nose. yardwork Jul 2013 #61

Bullshit, you don't know what he chose Warpy Jul 2013 #26

Amen. Hoyt Jul 2013 #29

I know he did NOT choose to run home hfojvt Jul 2013 #47

They were struggling while on the ground. It is most logical that Martin managed to lumpy Jul 2013 #50

Actually RGR375 Jul 2013 #54

In those few moments before the shot, were is the testimony just how Zimmerman lumpy Jul 2013 #75

What youclaimtobe a fact is speculation Vattel Jul 2013 #67

Speculation is used in many situations to try and get at the truth; that's when lumpy Jul 2013 #142

I'm with you RGR375 Jul 2013 #62

Martin was indeed walking home in the rain. What about that do you Zimmerman Cheerleaders Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #164

You don't know that Martin didn't run. yardwork Jul 2013 #64

He might have got turned around or confused? Vattel Jul 2013 #74

The prosecution convinced me that Zimmerman approached Martin and killed him. yardwork Jul 2013 #78

That is ridiculous. Vattel Jul 2013 #81

This message was self-deleted by its author yardwork Jul 2013 #87

Post removed Post removed Jul 2013 #88

I've heard that juries usually aren't too bright either, so maybe they'll see things the same way. yardwork Jul 2013 #90

yardwork: NYC_SKP Jul 2013 #94

I don't see anything that needs to be hidden. I certainly did not alert. yardwork Jul 2013 #101

Me either. NYC_SKP Jul 2013 #104

#5 is exactly correct. I self-deleted my more insulting post that prompted it. yardwork Jul 2013 #105

Confused? Yeah... that could also explain why he attempted to commit wire-fraud LanternWaste Jul 2013 #166

He really had no choice once Zimmerman started to stalk him. Raine1967 Jul 2013 #66

Better question - what is the motivation in seeing Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #72

Ruby, I wish I had an honest answer for that. Raine1967 Jul 2013 #82

I am terrified about this trial Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #107

you simply have lots of choices when somebody is stalking you hfojvt Jul 2013 #91

How was he pinned Just Saying Jul 2013 #132

OK..with all due respect DonCoquixote Jul 2013 #98

of course he had every right to be there hfojvt Jul 2013 #140

The point is, this entire event could've been avoided. How? Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #165

it could also have been avoided hfojvt Jul 2013 #167

He WAS walking home!! What the hell is wrong with you? Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #168

many things hfojvt Jul 2013 #171

A young black boy is dead and you're cracking jokes?! That is really sick!! Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2013 #172

Really? Just Saying Jul 2013 #130

Why don't you think wounds prove anything? hfojvt Jul 2013 #146

Wounds are circumstantial Just Saying Jul 2013 #151

wounds are at least a little bit of evidence hfojvt Jul 2013 #169

Wounds are evidence that something happened but don't tell us what. Just Saying Jul 2013 #173

poor wording Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #131

It is questionable whether anyone should rely on Zimmerman,s lone telling of lumpy Jul 2013 #141

To be sucked in by Zimmerman's own account of his debacle is sad since it makes l lumpy Jul 2013 #144

What justification that Z have to follow Martin around in the first place? MrScorpio Jul 2013 #145

why should that matter? hfojvt Jul 2013 #149

Do you have children? Just Saying Jul 2013 #153

It matters because Martin had ever right to NOT be chased around at all, correct? MrScorpio Jul 2013 #154

again, I will relate a story or two or three hfojvt Jul 2013 #156

I've read your arguments... MrScorpio Jul 2013 #157

I would not let somebody get close enough to grab me hfojvt Jul 2013 #159

There are two ways that I would respond to this... MrScorpio Jul 2013 #162

mea culpa though, although I blame the Miami Herald hfojvt Jul 2013 #163

Did you get that info from Trayvon Martin's testimony? SaveAmerica Jul 2013 #155

actually we have a recording made before there was any shooting hfojvt Jul 2013 #161

I admire his mother Marrah_G Jul 2013 #12

I agree. yardwork Jul 2013 #14

I thought the same thing TorchTheWitch Jul 2013 #15

Haven't been watching but that's a terrible line BeyondGeography Jul 2013 #27

To quote the movie "Super Troopers": Initech Jul 2013 #36

How was Trayvon supposed to know that he wasn't being accosted by a child molester? Starry Messenger Jul 2013 #44

MTE. Martin might have worried a sexual assault was about to happen. anneboleyn Jul 2013 #56

Or a robbery Just Saying Jul 2013 #133

Post removed Post removed Jul 2013 #147

oh good lord uppityperson Jul 2013 #148

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2013 #150

+1 Raine1967 Jul 2013 #77

Exactly. Incitatus Jul 2013 #93

Yeah, he foolishly Zoeisright Jul 2013 #46

Zimmerman's defense: "I chased him until he made me do it." Baitball Blogger Jul 2013 #73

Defense lawyers are allowed to lie. Lil Missy Jul 2013 #85

this defense attorney is going for scumbag lawyer of the year award quinnox Jul 2013 #102

It's vile. Kurovski Jul 2013 #143

No, your trigger-happy client did. . . Stargleamer Jul 2013 #152

Fucking attorney is a god damn whore gopiscrap Jul 2013 #158

Yeah! How dare he walk around Black and wearing a hoodie! 6000eliot Jul 2013 #160

Yikes, if that's how he came across ... it's good for the prosecution. Myrina Jul 2013 #170

disgusting racial pandering noiretextatique Jul 2013 #174