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Waiting For Everyman

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12. I've noticed too, the hostility about this toward Snowden.
Sun Jul 7, 2013, 11:31 PM
Jul 2013

It doesn't speak very well for people who hold ignorant attitudes like this.

For one thing, a piece of paper doesn't demonstrate someone's skills. It's only a tool for gatekeepers, to force people into paying off the system. It also relieves employers/interviewers of the effort of evaluating a person by using their own judgment. Either 1), the person interviewing doesn't have the critical thinking skills to make such judgments; or 2) they aren't trusted by someone higher up to do so adequately. Both shortcomings are on the part of the evaluator, not the evaluatee.

It so happens that Snowden didn't finish high school due to an illness. My two kids quit high school due to rampant crime in the school, which authorities refused to addresss. They both "advance placed" into college and graduated with terrific grades.

People without a GED at all can be just as skilled as anyone who has the piece of paper to say so. Back in the "old days" (of the Founding Fathers for instance), people used to be self-taught through reading, and learning-by-doing. Guess what, it still works.

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It means that some punk w/o a HS diploma gets a 6 figure job at MichiganVote Jul 2013 #1
That's just stupid Spider Jerusalem Jul 2013 #2
Thank you. I knew someone would save me from thinking rationally. MichiganVote Jul 2013 #4
Interesting questions noamnety Jul 2013 #7
You are weighing the same arguments re: ethics that are taught in HS&College. MichiganVote Jul 2013 #9
I raised the ethics questions noamnety Jul 2013 #16
Nor do I. But his entire life is fair game. He chose MichiganVote Jul 2013 #34
His entire life is fair game - that's the part I'm questioning. noamnety Jul 2013 #35
That's just stupid yeoman6987 Jul 2013 #32
I'm not sure employers even consider a high school diploma noamnety Jul 2013 #33
So you think it's resentment? noamnety Jul 2013 #3
Maybe he is a loser. Plenty of people w/ or w/o a diploma who are. MichiganVote Jul 2013 #5
The psychology of secret agents is quite interesting -- FarCenter Jul 2013 #6
I should probably add in a disclaimer here. noamnety Jul 2013 #8
It's bullshit. Mariana Jul 2013 #15
I think it has more to do with scoring points off somebody. nt rrneck Jul 2013 #10
My spouse never graduated high school. Silver Swan Jul 2013 #11
I've noticed too, the hostility about this toward Snowden. Waiting For Everyman Jul 2013 #12
there is absolutely elitism on this board. Just try advocating for students in liberal_at_heart Jul 2013 #13
The career trajectory is quite odd: high school dropout, junior college courses, GED, struggle4progress Jul 2013 #14
It's the defining characteristic for some. Puzzledtraveller Jul 2013 #17
Some of the best sysadmins I've worked with had little formal education Recursion Jul 2013 #18
That's how I used to hire too - for graphics. noamnety Jul 2013 #22
One of the smartest people I know XemaSab Jul 2013 #19
High school is such a small fraction of time in ones lives too. penultimate Jul 2013 #23
I find comments that put him down for it to be bothersome, but I get why some people are WTF about penultimate Jul 2013 #20
This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Jul 2013 #21
That feels like a separate thread to me noamnety Jul 2013 #24
This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Jul 2013 #25
+1 JustAnotherGen Jul 2013 #26
I don't think anyone's arguing that on any level. noamnety Jul 2013 #27
I have a PhD but dropped out of high school-- twice.... mike_c Jul 2013 #28
What's your reaction to the "high school dropout" comments about Snowden? noamnety Jul 2013 #29
I find his having not completed HS irrelevant... mike_c Jul 2013 #30
The people who do that are authoritarians. To them, Snowden's educational history show's Marr Jul 2013 #31
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