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MrMickeysMom

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88. That history was needed...

Mon Jul 8, 2013, 12:52 AM

Jul 2013

In particular, to realize... "It's amazing to see anyone say that what Bush did was illegal. NO, it was made LEGAL by the very law you are using to defend it now."

This is what happens when even 10 years is too long a period to look back on. Perhaps the biggest frustration was the way we were supposed to have forgotten the avalanche to weaken civil rights by "looking forward". This is what happens when you forget to look back and not learn by history, but repeat it.

Thank you for the reminder to pay attention to what was once a cry against the crimes committed by Bush and Company.

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I'll admit it - I'm tired. [View all] jazzimov Jul 2013 OP

YUP Skittles Jul 2013 #1

Yep RobinA Jul 2013 #125

I knew someone would get it Skittles Jul 2013 #131

some facts The Straight Story Jul 2013 #2

Uh, this is pure speculation. jazzimov Jul 2013 #10

Amazing, isn't it? randome Jul 2013 #14

It is from a congressional hearing. Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #30

A little more: The Straight Story Jul 2013 #72

It all makes sense now mick063 Jul 2013 #13

You seriously have no idea how ubiquitous the Internet is now to ALL manner of things? VanillaRhapsody Jul 2013 #81

Wars will occur over food, water, power mongering, religion, mick063 Jul 2013 #94

They want and need you to be scared nolabels Jul 2013 #99

DING! VanillaRhapsody Jul 2013 #80

Hyperbole and speculation has destroyed any meaningful debate on this subject JaneyVee Jul 2013 #3

FISA: The Straight Story Jul 2013 #4

Well, that's different. I can totally.. hey wait a minute! jazzimov Jul 2013 #12

That was also the year when Congress rushed to save him from prosecution by weakening sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #24

indeed, you have to wonder how these people will react stupidicus Jul 2013 #31

I've seen it times and again. Amonester Jul 2013 #27

I love your response~ sheshe2 Jul 2013 #28

And then, Congress rushed to pass one of the most dispised Amendments sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #48

+10 RC Jul 2013 #82

That history was needed... MrMickeysMom Jul 2013 #88

My fav is how they blast Obama supporters as blind followers and hero worshippers Yavin4 Jul 2013 #5

MisterRogers: can you say "hypocrite"? jazzimov Jul 2013 #19

What is your opinion of whistle blower Russ Tice who claims Senator Obama think Jul 2013 #6

That's the difference, illegal vs. legal. JaneyVee Jul 2013 #7

Yes, retroactive immunity protects anyone from being prosecuted. This broke 3 weeks ago think Jul 2013 #47

Talk is cheap. Anyone can say shit. Where is the evidence? randome Jul 2013 #15

Before 2008, or after? jazzimov Jul 2013 #23

So the whistle blower who exposed Bush's wiretapping is now a UFO nut? think Jul 2013 #44

not lame G_j Jul 2013 #113

That would seem to be the case.... /nt think Jul 2013 #117

THANK YOU! VanillaRhapsody Jul 2013 #86

I firmly opposed illegal wiretapping under Bush jazzimov Jul 2013 #22

Insulting? This whistle blower just made this information public 3 weeks ago think Jul 2013 #37

And what was he talking about? jazzimov Jul 2013 #53

Why did he wait? Ever hear of gag orders and threats of jail? think Jul 2013 #71

Something somebody SAYS are not FACTS! VanillaRhapsody Jul 2013 #87

If you would READ. I posted that Russ wanted to testify and congress couldn't even hear him think Jul 2013 #89

Testifying...is still not proof! VanillaRhapsody Jul 2013 #90

He didn't get to testify so congress never investigated what they didn't know. think Jul 2013 #93

What FACTS??? VanillaRhapsody Jul 2013 #116

And you apparently don't understand what a gag order is and what testifying before congress think Jul 2013 #119

this is still a subject that NEEDS physical evidence... VanillaRhapsody Jul 2013 #121

Let him testify without a gag so there can be an inquiry into his claims. think Jul 2013 #123

So you are saying he wanted to lie, under oath, to congress? RC Jul 2013 #110

You think that's never happened before? VanillaRhapsody Jul 2013 #118

again you slander the word of a known whistle blower who exposed major crimes think Jul 2013 #122

Apparently he doesn't care about responding to the points you made think Jul 2013 #127

so how did Occupy get put down so quickly and efficiently? liberal_at_heart Jul 2013 #43

I don't know, for the same reason it took them so long in the first place? jazzimov Jul 2013 #56

No leadership? zappaman Jul 2013 #62

if you think that is who Occupy is you have been watching too much FOX news. liberal_at_heart Jul 2013 #68

Never watch Fox news. zappaman Jul 2013 #79

Are you putting me on? You should see this: HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #8

I'm on dial-up so i didn't watch the video, But judging from your comments jazzimov Jul 2013 #16

You caught my drift perfectly! Hope you get a chance to watch HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #20

Thanks! I used to have the VHS jazzimov Jul 2013 #26

the brand was raleigh, but i doubt john lennon smoked them. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #106

I'm still waiting CakeGrrl Jul 2013 #9

And that's just it.... jazzimov Jul 2013 #18

Maybe outside of this forum you can get rational discussion, but CakeGrrl Jul 2013 #21

Applause! COLGATE4 Jul 2013 #83

Agree with the crowd or be damned! freshwest Jul 2013 #97

And my point is, if the dishonest Obama accusers here were to be successfull in reducing midterms Amonester Jul 2013 #32

Let us assume you are entirely correct. mick063 Jul 2013 #40

Kind of hinges on the meaning of the word spying zeemike Jul 2013 #39

Glad you're not going anywhere, jazz! Cha Jul 2013 #11

Thanks, CHA! jazzimov Jul 2013 #17

You authoritarian totalitarian griefer! treestar Jul 2013 #25

You Obama fanboy! You must be a member jazzimov Jul 2013 #36

K&R! nt sheshe2 Jul 2013 #29

That's why I now have all the folks who behave that way on ignore stevenleser Jul 2013 #33

I've often thought of using the Ignore function, jazzimov Jul 2013 #42

I'm right there with you, jazzimov. I just got attacked for asking for a supporting link. SunSeeker Jul 2013 #34

I have corrected that gross injustice Union Scribe Jul 2013 #69

No you haven't. You have added to it by following me to that thread. nt SunSeeker Jul 2013 #92

Hopefully this NY Times op-ed will help to elucidate the problem MannyGoldstein Jul 2013 #35

That's a vry interesting article, and I am jazzimov Jul 2013 #45

Three questions: MannyGoldstein Jul 2013 #52

Apples to oranges. jazzimov Jul 2013 #57

Let's start with #1. Why is that a straw man argument? MannyGoldstein Jul 2013 #60

There's a phenomenon where people Union Scribe Jul 2013 #77

+1 think Jul 2013 #126

*what* straw man? seriously, i would like to hear your reasoning. HiPointDem Jul 2013 #103

I don't think an answer is in our future... nm MannyGoldstein Jul 2013 #128

"If he's telling the truth" Amonester Jul 2013 #64

I have no substantial evidence that he's lying, while MannyGoldstein Jul 2013 #66

I have no substantial evidence that he is NOT lying, while Amonester Jul 2013 #73

Access to the information does not require warrants muriel_volestrangler Jul 2013 #105

That just offers opinion and a shout out to Rand Paul. SunSeeker Jul 2013 #51

The OP claimed that there's no evidence MannyGoldstein Jul 2013 #55

I am sticking to the topic. And what you offered is not evidence. nt SunSeeker Jul 2013 #61

No, you're bringing up a different point. MannyGoldstein Jul 2013 #63

No, but you have certainly made the OP's point. nt SunSeeker Jul 2013 #67

If the OP's point was that we should be allowed to change topics MannyGoldstein Jul 2013 #74

No, but you are again substantiating the OP. nt SunSeeker Jul 2013 #91

Some of the things that Snowden has said are contradicted by the documents he released. Galraedia Jul 2013 #38

Agreed, although some of those misleading statements jazzimov Jul 2013 #46

I am tired of people just assuming our government is trustworthy and would never liberal_at_heart Jul 2013 #41

No one ever said that to my knowledge. jazzimov Jul 2013 #50

Not that I don't love random Capitalization Union Scribe Jul 2013 #58

Who are those people? I have not seen any DU posts that say that. SunSeeker Jul 2013 #59

^^this^^ Puzzledtraveller Jul 2013 #111

wow This blew the lid off a whole bunch of things! oldandhappy Jul 2013 #49

You'll be much happier over here... Egalitarian Thug Jul 2013 #54

I think I illustrated the BS you are talking about in this sample dialogue in the BOG stevenleser Jul 2013 #65

LOL. That was brilliant. nt SunSeeker Jul 2013 #95

I think we are all tired of speculation but it usually enters into all discussions. lumpy Jul 2013 #70

I'm tired as well that we never had a real debate on our HC system when ... slipslidingaway Jul 2013 #75

exactly. Same goes for education and many other issues. liberal_at_heart Jul 2013 #76

The problem is many in the world cannot fathom other people having intelligence and a mind...... nolabels Jul 2013 #100

Section 215, collecting meta data The Straight Story Jul 2013 #78

Thank you for posting the law. If more COLGATE4 Jul 2013 #84

or maybe we will fight to repeal the law. liberal_at_heart Jul 2013 #85

That's always an option. But my point is that the COLGATE4 Jul 2013 #120

From a press conference The Straight Story Jul 2013 #96

I'm tired of people pretending that they have a monopoly on facts. Democracyinkind Jul 2013 #98

When I start a new thread in GD I get this message burnodo Jul 2013 #101

At one time DU members would not tolerate lies liberal N proud Jul 2013 #102

And I'm tired of the Authoritarian Le Taz Hot Jul 2013 #104

+1 HiPointDem Jul 2013 #107

Hear, hear! Puzzledtraveller Jul 2013 #112

This is the post of the thread. Apophis Jul 2013 #114

What sources do you consider factual? Eddie Haskell Jul 2013 #108

Being nice is tiring Mosaic Jul 2013 #109

You are tired because you are wrong. bemildred Jul 2013 #115

OP isn't wrong, but 99% of media are, and joining in the bash is good times. ucrdem Jul 2013 #130

Facts are scarce in today's politics... polichick Jul 2013 #124

There are plenty of RW activists here too. Scuba Jul 2013 #129