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randome

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5. That's because of idiotic phrases like this.

Mon Jul 8, 2013, 09:20 AM

Jul 2013

"...the surveillance state goes too far in secretly spying on innocent Americans..."

Where do they get the idea that this is happening? From Snowden. Without supporting evidence.

S&G are eager to present one side of the story. Their side. They conveniently never mention the safeguards and restrictions that are in place.

They don't mention them because they don't want us to think about that. They give only enough of a story to get readers up in arms.

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The Problem With the 'Privacy Moderates' [View all] xchrom Jul 2013 OP

Excellent article LuvNewcastle Jul 2013 #1

Always attacking people, not the issue treestar Jul 2013 #2

It's plain ridiculous vdogg Jul 2013 #28

I think it has more to do with "Pre emptive Strike" strategy. dtom67 Jul 2013 #3

That's because of idiotic phrases like this. randome Jul 2013 #5

another example of the " pre emptive strike " doctrine... dtom67 Jul 2013 #7

That's the point: there is NO EVIDENCE of ILLEGAL SPYING. Amonester Jul 2013 #31

Privacy moderates are pro security state and anti the 4th amendment as understood byeya Jul 2013 #4

As long as he has another group of people to malign. nt longship Jul 2013 #6

k/r marmar Jul 2013 #8

In other words, if you disagree with the Snowden cultists you suck no matter what. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #9

It's more the starting point than any sort of purist attitude Android3.14 Jul 2013 #11

Might as well ask if I stopped beating my wife. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #13

How about we use the Oxford English definition Android3.14 Jul 2013 #15

Is possession of or access to this information enough to be considered spying? geek tragedy Jul 2013 #16

Still ignoring the essential question Android3.14 Jul 2013 #17

Obviously, having the government create files on people and examine their geek tragedy Jul 2013 #21

Now we are getting somewhere Android3.14 Jul 2013 #22

Point 2 does not represent my thinking. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #23

Then why did you state Android3.14 Jul 2013 #30

That is a starting point. It does not follow that everything else is ok. nt geek tragedy Jul 2013 #32

Are we still trying to agree on terms? Android3.14 Jul 2013 #34

I guess I don't see a great deal of difference between geek tragedy Jul 2013 #36

Rumor? Android3.14 Jul 2013 #37

recording content or recording metadata? geek tragedy Jul 2013 #38

Not rumor Android3.14 Jul 2013 #39

That story has been thoroughly debunked. It's false. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #40

Sorry, but no Android3.14 Jul 2013 #43

Without public oversight or permission, no. nt geek tragedy Jul 2013 #44

Thank you Android3.14 Jul 2013 #45

Likewise. I think there is probably more agreement than geek tragedy Jul 2013 #46

Logic and facts do not matter... kentuck Jul 2013 #10

...yeap, don't trust the government with medical records either uponit7771 Jul 2013 #12

This is a newer tact that seems to be trotted out by some. TheKentuckian Jul 2013 #14

Unless having a heart murmur has a high correlation to domestic terrorism NoOneMan Jul 2013 #20

Sure, don't. NoOneMan Jul 2013 #19

They'll know if you've been treated for addiction. JoePhilly Jul 2013 #24

Depends on how you want to structure your claims department NoOneMan Jul 2013 #25

But why would we expect our totalitarian government to JoePhilly Jul 2013 #26

You can't if you don't demand accountability and privacy NoOneMan Jul 2013 #27

Perhaps not. sibelian Jul 2013 #42

The problem is that Snowden may be a narcissist with ulterior motives who is not championing reform NoOneMan Jul 2013 #18

K&R for attracting the tragically handicapped. n/t Egalitarian Thug Jul 2013 #29

+ + Snowden attracts the slugs doesn't he? byeya Jul 2013 #41

An excellent article! Waiting For Everyman Jul 2013 #33

an excellent article for a reality based assessment of the situation Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #35

The problem with the NSA Agitators is� they don't talk about the NSA in any relevant way. Nothing KittyWampus Jul 2013 #47