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In reply to the discussion: Trayvon Martin HAD JUST TURNED 17 and was STILL A MINOR! When he was fighting zim-zim the giggling [View all]TorchTheWitch
(11,065 posts)You don't even know that Martin ran from Zimmerman? Zimmerman himself said he did on his call to the dispatcher. He exclaims, "Oh shit! He's running!" and as he says this he is getting out of his car and pursuing Martin. He's armed, and he has already been following Martin with his car and now on foot in direct violation of his training both in being armed and pursuing someone.
And how do we know that he chased after Martin? Because several witnesses testified to the running moments before Zimmerman caught up to Martin and confronted him. How do we know that it was Zimmerman running after Martin? Zimmerman himself. He claimed at no time after getting out of his car and shooting Martin did he ever run, and he also claimed that Martin ran which we heard him say on his call to dispatch and heard him immediately get out of his car and pursue him. There's only two things that could have occurred here - either it was Zimmerman running after Martin or Zimmerman was LYING.
Testimony - mostly from his own mouth - shows that Zimmerman lied many times concerning what happened and frequently changed his stories. He also lied on national tv when Hannity asked him if he knew anything about the Stand Your Ground law and he said "No." Yet during the trial we found out that he knew far more about it and everything else about self-defense laws than the average person because he had taken classes about those very things. This is why his professor who taught him this stuff in class testified that he knew all about it because he taught it to him, and Zimmerman was one of his best students who he gave an 'A' to for the course. He LIED on national tv in front of millions of viewers that he knew nothing about the Stand Your Ground law.
He LIED about how he got his injuries and so much so that there is no question that how he claims he got them is just not possible. He claims that he was punched in the face about 35-40 times and had his head slammed into concrete 20 or more times. Yet all he has to show for it are insignificant injuries two doctors testified to including zimmerman's own doctor that that said were insignificant and contrary to how he claimed he got them. We saw photos of those insignificant injuries that show nothing more than a swollen nose with two tiny abrasions on the tip that was the source of the bleeding as he never bled out of his nostrils and two tiny abrasions on his hairless scalp with minor swelling which was gone hours later. Either Zimmerman has a head and face and skin of cast iron or his is a LIAR. The report from the EMS said that his "mucus membranes are normal" - meaning he had no broken capillaries that would cause bleeding from his nostrils. Here is the photo of Zimmerman taken by a police officer at the scene that shows all the blood around his mouth and nose area does not come from his nostrils but from the two abrasions on the tip of his nose...

That small amount of blood is all there was, and it didn't come from his nostrils but the two tiny abrasions on the tip of his nose where that one blood drop is hanging. Though this photo was taken very soon after the arrival of the police most of that small amount of blood on his face has already begun to dry, and had stopped bleeding when EMS cleaned him up shortly after.
Here's his face cleaned of blood only a few hours later at the police station...

Note that almost all the swelling he had at the side of his nose is already gone. Note also the two tiny abrasions on the tip of his nose and another one up high on the bridge of his nose. This is the face of the man who has claimed he was punched in the face 35-40 times. LIAR.
Now here's the photo of the back of his head taken at the police station that show two small lacerations to the back of his head that at least one of the doctors testified is consistent with a single impact (not a slam) to the back of his head on a hard surface with some dried blood...

This is the evidence of insignificant head injury that Zimmerman claims was the result of having his head repeatedly slammed into concrete 20 or more times. LIAR.
This is a photo of his head taken by the first person on the scene immediately following the shooting that was the guy with the flashlight that he took with his own cellphone...
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Note the blood trails. There is no smearing of blood at all, and the blood trails show that when those lacerations occurred Zimmerman immediately got up and placed himself in much the same position he is for this photo to be taken - upright with his head looking downward. This we are to believe occurred because of his head being repeatedly slammed in to concrete 20 or more times when there is no smearing of blood whatsoever and the direction of the blood trails prove he had to have gotten up immediately after his head impacted once with a hard surface and in a position that is the same as the position he's in for the photo to be taken - upright and looking downward. LIAR.
Zimmerman also claimed that his gun was in his waist holster inside his pants as he was lying on the ground on his back with Martin on top of him straddling him with his knees up near Zimmerman's armpits and his thighs pressed against Zimmerman's sides. Zimmerman himself says that Martin became aware of the gun either because he saw it or felt it with his thigh. Zimmerman then goes into the beating story having his head bashed on concrete they're nowhere near given where Martin's body ended up and how Zimmerman says it got there, being punched in the face 35-40 times, with Martin also covering his mouth and bloodied nose with both his hands yet mysteriously not getting a single speck of blood nor single cell of Zimmerman's DNA on his hands all the while Zimmerman claims to be continuously screaming (though he can't explain how he can do that with his mouth and nose covered though he was asked repeatedly) when for no logical reason Martin slides his hand down Zimmerman's chest and side toward where his gun is, Zimmerman becomes in fear of immanent death and whips out his gun and shoots Martin dead.
How is it physically possible that Zimmerman could have gotten to his gun with Martin sitting on top of him with his thighs pressed against his sides and be able to do it so quickly? He can't. He can't because it is a physical impossibility. Once again, Zimmerman is LYING about where that gun was immediately before he shot Martin. It was not physically possible for him to have reached over Martin's leg and under his butt to the gun inside the waistband of his pants because his arms are not two or three times longer than normal, nor is if physically possible for him to have gotten his arm and hand between his body and Martin's leg and butt to get to his gun because his arms, hand and gun are not blade thin either. Zimmerman is LYING about where that gun was or he was LYING about the positions they were in.
This is only a FRACTION of Zimmerman's lies and doesn't even go into his changes in his stories that contradict each other . It just isn't possible with all of these significant LIES to believe that his version of what happened is true. And if he is lying and so significantly then he is GUILTY and knows that he is.
It makes no difference who initiated the physical contact as MARTIN beyond any reasonable doubt had every right to be in fear of this nutter that followed him in his car, pursued him on foot when he tried to run away from him, chased him down and confronted him never saying who he was or why he ran him down to confront him. Martin is ALSO entitled to defend himself, and from the evidence and testimony given he had every reasonable right to.
As to how Zimmerman got the insignificant non-broken nose, if Martin did get a punch in he had every reasonable right to, however, the evidence of Zimmerman's claims as to how he got the insignificant injury to his nose could just as easily have come from Zimmerman's shooting him with either the gun recoiling into his own face thereby forcing his own head back onto a hard surface or having shot Martin, Martin fell forward onto Zimmerman forcing the gun in Zimmerman's hand to smack his own face thereby forcing his own head back onto a hard surface.
Remember those two small abrasions on the tip of his nose that was doing all of the bleeding and the one up on the bridge of his nose? The sharp hard edges of his own gun. The distance that the two of them were parted had they been in the position that Zimmerman claims they were in would have allowed him just enough space between them for an almost contact wound to Martin's chest with Zimmerman holding his gun at his chest at about a 90 degree angle of his arm. At that angle Zimmerman would not have been able to very well control the recoil of the gun, and the gun he had is reported to have a powerful recoil. Hold out your own arm as he must have had his with the elbow bent at roughly a 90 degree angle, bend your arm at the elbow and your own hand with something like a small gun in it smacks you right in the nose. If it wasn't the recoil of the gun Martin falling on top of Zimmerman would have forced Zimmerman's arm to bend and smack his own nose the same way. And in either of these scenarios smacking his own nose would also have caused his head to impact a hard surface. Remember those blood trails from the two little lacerations to the back of his head? Either of these two scenarios make it even more plausible that just after he whacked his own head he got out from under Martin's body, flipped him over and sat on top of him straddling him in the same upright position with his head tilted downward to create those blood trails that go in the direction they do and with no smearing of the blood.