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174. TorchTheWitch - Someone down thread

Mon Jul 8, 2013, 09:45 AM

Jul 2013

Asked - what if Trayvon had been a 17 year old girl. I think it's a valid question. If it were me (a woman) who is probably in much better shape than Zimmerman will ever be (and I have tne years on him) - would the assumption that it was my fault - the Victim's Fault for:

Not Running Fast Enough and quick enough . . .

Would the assumption that it was My Fault still be the same.

I'm extremely disturbed by this "It's his fault for not running" bullshit. Now - Zimmerman is indeed innocent until proven guilty. So was the little gang banging SOB that shot and killed my cousin as part of gang initiation on April 13, 1991. But a punk, is a punk, is a punk.

I hope he's found guilty. And if he is not - he will forever and always be The Guy Who Did It. He willl. And Zimmerman supporters at DU better brace themselves for the absoute hatred their sweet little fair haired boy is going to face - not just here . . . but everywhere.

The good thing is - where there's smoke there's fire. Look at what happened to OJ. He eventually got his. So let it be. However the jury goes - lets hope Zimmerman gets his eventually.

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Trayvon Martin HAD JUST TURNED 17 and was STILL A MINOR! When he was fighting zim-zim the giggling [View all] Ecumenist Jul 2013 OP

You are finally John2 Jul 2013 #1

Exactly right alcibiades_mystery Jul 2013 #30

Not only that laundry_queen Jul 2013 #39

n/t JustAnotherGen Jul 2013 #2

as a female I was taught the same thing TorchTheWitch Jul 2013 #18

And you made another John2 Jul 2013 #25

Yes. If Martin had been a 17 y.o. female... anneboleyn Jul 2013 #92

Amen, AnneBoleyn, AMEN! Ecumenist Jul 2013 #110

TorchTheWitch - Someone down thread JustAnotherGen Jul 2013 #174

but he's black and wore a hoodie in a white neighborhood at dusk. That negates every concept Nanjing to Seoul Jul 2013 #3

You forgot this In_The_Wind Jul 2013 #4

Never include it. It should be self-explanatory the tenor of my comment. Thanks thought. :) Nanjing to Seoul Jul 2013 #6

How anyone can support Zimmerman is beyond me. He is a guilty as the sun is hot. In_The_Wind Jul 2013 #17

I hope JUSTICE will wipe that smirk off his face ... napkinz Jul 2013 #5

To see that _____ smirking and laughing in court for a murder is an affront to life itself. freshwest Jul 2013 #75

Oh my God !!! Wish I hadn't seen that. Disgusting ! lumpy Jul 2013 #155

Oh my God !!! Wish I hadn't seen that. Disgusting ! yeoman6987 Jul 2013 #178

The jury sees that smug crap too. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #160

This is what bugs me Prism Jul 2013 #7

Don't engage them and keep running away? Pelican Jul 2013 #12

Trayvon might have felt TRAPPED. And don't forget; Z was the one supposed to be in fear. Why didn't WinkyDink Jul 2013 #14

He was running away Sanity Claws Jul 2013 #16

Post removed Post removed Jul 2013 #24

wtf?? Sheldon Cooper Jul 2013 #26

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2013 #27

Ya cause TM can outrun bullets. Threedifferentones Jul 2013 #31

Trayvon isnt on trial. He is not obliged to "run away". He may have tried to hide and rhett o rick Jul 2013 #35

Zimmerman caught up to him TorchTheWitch Jul 2013 #41

Wow,thanks. Incitatus Jul 2013 #106

The witnesses didn't see it, they heard it TorchTheWitch Jul 2013 #157

Good info- thanks lumpy Jul 2013 #197

He tried that, and the creep kept following him. nt tblue37 Jul 2013 #149

This is exactly I am personally watching this case so closely. Ruby the Liberal Jul 2013 #13

^^^ Exactly. Me too. It astonishes and horrifies me to think GZ might get off entirely. nt. MH1 Jul 2013 #32

This is why a lot of the pro gun crowd is supporting Zimmerman. Just Saying Jul 2013 #154

Thank the GOP's step-brother ALEC rustydog Jul 2013 #38

this has been my point, and it's only because he is black that people don't view it as you say JI7 Jul 2013 #8

ABSO-FLIPPING-LUTELY! J17! there's more than a little racist undertone here. Ecumenist Jul 2013 #221

Thank you for saying this!!! bravenak Jul 2013 #9

I have been saying this for sometime exboyfil Jul 2013 #10

Wayne Williams oldest victim was 27. NaturalHigh Jul 2013 #46

Yes serial killers who kill men target teens and young adults anneboleyn Jul 2013 #98

I agree 100%, and if there were more %, I'd add it, too. The minutiae of the "Z defenses" madden. WinkyDink Jul 2013 #11

Well said. I totally agree. nt DLevine Jul 2013 #15

Nice rant, my friend. 99Forever Jul 2013 #19

If he gets off, John2 Jul 2013 #20

I agree absolutely... but that may not be the best strategy to bring out at the trial. (IANAL) nenagh Jul 2013 #21

very glad for this referral, thanks! Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #36

They are biased, but it is peaceful to read.. nenagh Jul 2013 #43

they are biased in the same way I am biased. the facts point in one direction. Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #44

here is the link. thank you, it is good reading magical thyme Jul 2013 #54

Thank you magical thyme, I haven't grasped links unfortunately.... nenagh Jul 2013 #59

links are by copy and paste magical thyme Jul 2013 #62

Thanks for the help... I'll try it... nenagh Jul 2013 #69

Zimmerman was acting on the number one gun nut fantasy. onehandle Jul 2013 #22

What a great post brush Jul 2013 #23

Wish I could rec this 100 times... alcibiades_mystery Jul 2013 #28

Thank you. graham4anything Jul 2013 #29

K&R gollygee Jul 2013 #33

rec and kick Voice for Peace Jul 2013 #34

"Trayvon would be alive if he wasn't so uppity" Gormy Cuss Jul 2013 #37

Thank God you were there! When do you testify? flvegan Jul 2013 #40

Well, Hello to you too. That BOY was a child and he was MURDERED by a nut who was determined Ecumenist Jul 2013 #48

Has nothing to do with what I believe. flvegan Jul 2013 #114

Here's the difference between you and me. I know and understand a well regarded legal point Ecumenist Jul 2013 #150

No you don't. You know emotion and opinion, and nothing about "well regarded legal point(s)" flvegan Jul 2013 #156

First of all, IF you cann read AND comprehend, check out this FULL thread and you will see Ecumenist Jul 2013 #184

My awe? Really? flvegan Jul 2013 #187

Word Salad, eh? Now I get it.. Facts burn your pea brain in the same way that holy water burns the Ecumenist Jul 2013 #200

Good post.. Too bad some people can't comprehend what the hell they read . Some people lumpy Jul 2013 #201

Most people here use common sense to make the right decisions. Common sense sometimes lumpy Jul 2013 #198

The cops, DA, judge and jury weren't there either. Does that mean that crimes like murder are Nanjing to Seoul Jul 2013 #161

If I'm a fool, you're an idiot. flvegan Jul 2013 #182

Your words: " Thank God you were there! When do you testify?" Nanjing to Seoul Jul 2013 #185

AMEN, Najing, Amen. Alot of these types are pretending to be neutral but are SIMPLY veiled Ecumenist Jul 2013 #186

Actually, I'm not new here. I just don't have access to the email for my old account and I Nanjing to Seoul Jul 2013 #190

Well, glad to have you here. However long or short it might have been. Ecumenist Jul 2013 #209

LOL! flvegan Jul 2013 #191

Vegetables aren't living things? Carrot constitutes murder Nanjing to Seoul Jul 2013 #193

What was for dinner? flvegan Jul 2013 #194

First of all, it's nunya but since you're so interested in my in my wellbeing, (and you're such a Ecumenist Jul 2013 #212

Wow, so now, being a Vegan, WHICH ntw, most Hindus are somehow were able to and continue to Ecumenist Jul 2013 #199

Hahahahahahahahahahaha ..... lumpy Jul 2013 #203

At least witnesses and experts aren't spouting bullshit opinion flvegan Jul 2013 #188

In testimony, all "witnesses" and "experts" are spouting bullshit opinion and waxing stupid Nanjing to Seoul Jul 2013 #192

Bigger LOL flvegan Jul 2013 #195

English may not be my first language, jackass, but I am an American citizen Nanjing to Seoul Jul 2013 #218

Najing, this "person" insists that they have no dog in this fight and are COMPLETELY altruistic Ecumenist Jul 2013 #202

EXACTLY. Zoeisright Jul 2013 #42

kick napkinz Jul 2013 #45

His age is not in dispute. His actions are. NaturalHigh Jul 2013 #47

As I told your buddy friend pal,FLVEGAN, I was using the term that was used when Tray was describing Ecumenist Jul 2013 #49

I'm well aware that Trayvon Martin used that word. NaturalHigh Jul 2013 #51

Look, if the title fits because I cannot see why your ilk seem to think that he is responsible Ecumenist Jul 2013 #64

"if the title fits" "that bitch" flvegan Jul 2013 #130

well-said. Vattel Jul 2013 #96

and OH YEAH, as his AGE was not in dispute, his ACTIONS WERE JUSTIFIED! He was a CHILD who was Ecumenist Jul 2013 #50

No, Trayvon Martin is not on trial... NaturalHigh Jul 2013 #53

REALLY? TRAYVON RAN THE HELL AWAY- as evidenced by zimmy saying, "He's running. These FUCKING Ecumenist Jul 2013 #58

Seriously? People like me think that Martin was "uppity"? NaturalHigh Jul 2013 #63

EVIDENTLY YOU DO, WHAT ELSE EXPLAINS YOU DETERMINATION TO MAKE THIS BABY Ecumenist Jul 2013 #70

It is troubling that Zimmerman claims in the initial police questioning (on tape) that he was lumpy Jul 2013 #204

Amen. Lumpy but there are those who do not want to admit that he has lied his ass off Ecumenist Jul 2013 #205

I'd be keen to hear where in the expert testimony re: Zimmerman's injuries brett_jv Jul 2013 #163

clearly you know next to nothing about this case TorchTheWitch Jul 2013 #173

I wish you were on the prosecution team yardwork Jul 2013 #176

how does one do that? TorchTheWitch Jul 2013 #179

The county probably has a web page yardwork Jul 2013 #180

I like the conclusions that individuals come up with; people who have taken the time and have lumpy Jul 2013 #206

A 17 year old is now a "baby"? Llewlladdwr Jul 2013 #74

Actually, MOST people like me woould consider the 17year a "Baby" after all, what the hell has he do Ecumenist Jul 2013 #78

Easy there Ecumenist... Llewlladdwr Jul 2013 #84

Sure you have and let me guess, you can't be racist because you have "black friends"..right?Don't Ecumenist Jul 2013 #86

Nope, didn't claim to have Black friends, just that I've talked to Black people. Llewlladdwr Jul 2013 #87

The only people I'm irritating are racists, covert and overt. Have a NICE life Ecumenist Jul 2013 #107

Boyteens are closer to being Babys than being adults. I outta know, 3 boys who are now 40 plus. lumpy Jul 2013 #210

+1 uponit7771 Jul 2013 #226

What if he had been a teen girl? anneboleyn Jul 2013 #100

I don't understand the question. Llewlladdwr Jul 2013 #113

There is a major difference between a 30 year old anneboleyn Jul 2013 #143

What is the point, baby ? lumpy Jul 2013 #208

I don't believe Zimmerman's account at all. I believe Martin bloodied Zimmerman's lumpy Jul 2013 #158

Yup, that's what we teach our kids: if someone is creepy, confront them and swing on them Azathoth Jul 2013 #52

CAN YOU READ??!! HE DID RUN THE FUCK AWAY AND FOR THE LAST TIME, Zimmy is recorded Ecumenist Jul 2013 #61

So what happened? Zimmerman suddenly turned into the freakin Flash? Azathoth Jul 2013 #66

NOPE...simply this, ZIMMY KNEW THE NEIGHBOURHOOD....THIS AIN'T ROCKET SCIENCE. He was his own self Ecumenist Jul 2013 #71

Not too damn far under the surface when people seek anything to try Trayvon for murder. freshwest Jul 2013 #83

Trayvon last played football at age 13, JimDandy Jul 2013 #108

"Zimmerman was a fit fighting machine" Azathoth Jul 2013 #116

Evidently, you don't understand what MY use of Sergeant Porkchop means- It DOES NOT Ecumenist Jul 2013 #136

LOL the guy is 5'7" and he weighed over 200lbs the night of the shooting Azathoth Jul 2013 #139

That image of JimDandy Jul 2013 #140

Actually, the "porkchop" image comes from the fact that he was clinically obese Azathoth Jul 2013 #142

Oh yeah? I have been using this term SERGEANT PORKCHOP ever since I moved in with my husband Ecumenist Jul 2013 #145

lol, man you just want to fight about everything Azathoth Jul 2013 #147

Yeah, you're a dream come true too. BTW, I'm Female.... Ecumenist Jul 2013 #224

In the first pics we saw of Zimmermann, he was obese. In the pics we tblue37 Jul 2013 #151

Dude hardly looks like a pork chop in the pics of his first court appearance ... brett_jv Jul 2013 #165

Those pics are from the night of the shooting. At THAT time he was buff. tblue37 Jul 2013 #166

then, he, and you apparently, have been taught wrong hfojvt Jul 2013 #55

If you'll remeber, HE DID FUCKING RUN!! Remember what zimmy said, "HE'S RUNNING, THESE FUCKING Ecumenist Jul 2013 #56

Yeah, we know, Z chased down a 17 year old football player with a 60 second head start Azathoth Jul 2013 #60

right, then how come zimmy was running after him? Are you actually trying to tell me that I am Ecumenist Jul 2013 #65

Say wha? Azathoth Jul 2013 #68

Oh, so now he "ALLOWED" Zimmerman to catch up when in the first FUCKING place, He should have Ecumenist Jul 2013 #73

Yes, "allowed" Azathoth Jul 2013 #82

BULLSHIT... He was walking back to the house where he was BABYSITTING a younger child Ecumenist Jul 2013 #85

OK, so he didn't run to safety Azathoth Jul 2013 #91

Oh so you got from YAHOO ANSWERS, REALLY? Yeah, that's COMPLETELY Ecumenist Jul 2013 #97

lol, you're not even attempting to respond to posts Azathoth Jul 2013 #103

Zimmerman says that Martin came up to me and asked him if he had a problem. Vattel Jul 2013 #126

Here's the reason that I DO NOT BELIEVE what zimmy has said because he's a proven Ecumenist Jul 2013 #133

And don't forget, the whole time he is being smothered by tblue37 Jul 2013 #153

We have no evidence that Martin didn't run. Maybe Zimmerman circled around and trapped him. yardwork Jul 2013 #89

Actually, we have evidence that he *did* run Azathoth Jul 2013 #93

So Zimmerman is a bad liar and that means he's credible? yardwork Jul 2013 #95

Laughing is a poor substitute for thinking Azathoth Jul 2013 #101

Actually, He DID lie about the money and was CAUGHT giving juvenile cryptic info Ecumenist Jul 2013 #111

Zimmy was on the phone with somebody right after he murdered Martin. yardwork Jul 2013 #112

Great story ... brett_jv Jul 2013 #167

Yep, Yardwork, that's it in a nutshell. Frankly, my own opinion about zimmy is that being a bad Ecumenist Jul 2013 #102

That's it. yardwork Jul 2013 #117

Zimmerman was on the phone when he got out of his car and followed Trayvon hfojvt Jul 2013 #67

ZIMMY WAS FAMILIAR WITH THE NEIGHBOURHOOD!! Trayvon was visiting. PERIOD. Ecumenist Jul 2013 #72

There is no short cut from where Zimmerman was parked that would Vattel Jul 2013 #105

FIRST OFF ALL, do you live there? Cuz I wasn't aware that you knew exactly where zimmy Ecumenist Jul 2013 #109

So you are saying that the location of Zimmerman's car at the time of the killing is in doubt? Vattel Jul 2013 #122

and based on was a PROVEN liar has said, you knew purport to know where EVERYTHING happened Ecumenist Jul 2013 #127

Um, the location of the killing, Zimmerman's car, and Martin's father's house is Vattel Jul 2013 #131

I heard that Trayvon didn't want to lead the creepy ass cracker back to... Little Star Jul 2013 #77

AMEN!!! LIttle Star but "SOME FOLKS" REFUSE to see what the facts are if they don't jibe with their Ecumenist Jul 2013 #79

Simple explanation for ALL this ... brett_jv Jul 2013 #168

Indeed. You have made your viewpoint VERY clear. Trayvon's death was his own fault. uppityperson Jul 2013 #80

Martin did not have an obligation to run anywhere. He was in his father's neighborhood at 7 pm. yardwork Jul 2013 #88

Yard, that's exactly what I was saying. zimmy was familiar with the neighbourhood but Trayvon Ecumenist Jul 2013 #118

He probably just chose to HIDE instead of run ... brett_jv Jul 2013 #169

Stop with the caps, already, we get that you're angry about Trayvon's murder tavalon Jul 2013 #172

Absolutely Tavalon. If you read the entire thread, you'll see that there were two DU'ers Ecumenist Jul 2013 #181

Yeah, there is going to be hell to pay if that asshole gets off tavalon Jul 2013 #219

WOw, think so? I know that the vast majority of people I know are just sick to think that he Ecumenist Jul 2013 #220

I don't know about full on riot but tavalon Jul 2013 #222

Oh yeah, I have to agree with you there. I'm still on the West Coast in the North State-- Ecumenist Jul 2013 #223

Honestly, that's what I think, too tavalon Jul 2013 #225

How does one outrun a bullet? tavalon Jul 2013 #171

Trayvon was a tall slender if not skinny teen age kid. There is a world of difference between lumpy Jul 2013 #213

Yes.... Ninga Jul 2013 #57

I stopped reading at "CRACKAS included" Skip Intro Jul 2013 #76

Then apparently, the TRIAL AND TESTIMONY IS HYPOCRITICAL RACIST BULLSHIT because that was Ecumenist Jul 2013 #81

So one thing I've never understood about the Martin shooting... Llewlladdwr Jul 2013 #90

He was a recently 17 YEAR OLD BABY, a boy who doesn't think like you , Me or other adults Ecumenist Jul 2013 #94

Maybe he didn't have time. Auntie Bush Jul 2013 #99

He had time to call Rachel Jenteal. Llewlladdwr Jul 2013 #115

He was already on the phone with his friend when Zimmerman approached him and murdered him. yardwork Jul 2013 #119

Martin had time to describe the situation to Jenteal. Llewlladdwr Jul 2013 #123

Well, sure ... brett_jv Jul 2013 #170

Zimmerman would have killed him anyway yardwork Jul 2013 #175

Well for one reason or another he didn't call 911. Why do YOU think he didn't call 911? lumpy Jul 2013 #214

WOW REALLY? Pat attention, HE WAS ON THE PHONE HER whe zimmy showed up... Ecumenist Jul 2013 #121

He didn't call Rachael, he had been on the line with her for a long time when the incident happened. Auntie Bush Jul 2013 #144

Maybe he figured there might be another bigot on the switchboard, thus a Hoyt Jul 2013 #104

Blacks make up 30% of Sanford's population. Llewlladdwr Jul 2013 #120

AND??!! So you do realise that many places in the deep south have higher numbers of blacks Ecumenist Jul 2013 #124

You have a lot to learm abput race relations . . . . assuming ypu really give a dang. Hoyt Jul 2013 #138

And very few of them live in that condo community yardwork Jul 2013 #177

Neighborhood watch Conium Jul 2013 #125

If he did, why would he have called 911? Llewlladdwr Jul 2013 #128

He was setting up jis SYG defense. The same thing happened in Florida with another murderer Ecumenist Jul 2013 #137

He didn't call 911. He called a non-emergency number he had called many times before yardwork Jul 2013 #183

Most likely he wanted to show the police that he was on the job ; his prime lumpy Jul 2013 #215

He wasn't required to carry a gun according to his terms of employment. lumpy Jul 2013 #216

Post removed Post removed Jul 2013 #129

Thank you for this rant! Just Saying Jul 2013 #132

Thank you, Just Saying Its just plain old common sense.... and a belated yet hearty welcome to DU Ecumenist Jul 2013 #134

Thanks Just Saying Jul 2013 #159

I believe in gun rights but you don't get to stalk then chase down and confront... Jasana Jul 2013 #135

"But I would have outrun Ted Bundy" anneboleyn Jul 2013 #141

Excellent. One of the very BEST posts ever on this tblue37 Jul 2013 #146

Thank you! I had never heard this explained the way you have. It makes complete sence. Maraya1969 Jul 2013 #148

Excellent...but Trayvon wasn't given the chance to fight. Z came at him, gun already out, ecstatic Jul 2013 #152

Thank you!!! gopiscrap Jul 2013 #162

I'm not completely convinced that Trayvon laid a hand on him... ReRe Jul 2013 #164

What will GZ do that TM will never do again Pennycat Jul 2013 #189

Hi, Pennycat you are absolutely right. a few other things Trayvon will never do again: Ecumenist Jul 2013 #207

And Zimmerman has no regrets or remorse; claims he would do it again (Hannity TV program) lumpy Jul 2013 #217

And the faux snooze getting injected into the defense. Sean Pannitee. Good gawd. lonestarnot Jul 2013 #196

That is incredibly insightful. I have told my children never let anyone take you to a secondary liberal_at_heart Jul 2013 #211